My New Project

Robert AMG · 02-15-2012, 05:00 PM

Well my New project has started and it's time to share it here:

3.7L from the ML350 engine 2005 + 55 kompressor:

-3.7L cylinder block
-C32 oil pump and pan
-C32 crankshaft
-C32 rods, 55K pistons
-3.7L heads with C32 camshafts and 55K springs and valves

- 55 kompressor with 2 inlets cutted on each side to fit 6 cylinder
- 55 AMG intake tanks also cutted to fit 6 cylinder and to fit top mount intercooler
- C32 oem intercooler below 55 SC plus 2 top mount aftermarket intercoolers, 2 pumps in parallele to fit them
- 2 HE's with rear tank (installed)
- 172 to 185mm 55 crank pulley(we'll decide which pulley after we look what the boost will be) with all other 55K pulleys installed on the C32 front engine wall with 55K thermostat
- loop fuel rail with 550cc injectors, adjustable fuel regulator
- air filter directly sitted on the TB and feed from the engine hood
- 80mm tb (installed)
- long tube headers, catless (installed)
- colder spark plugs and wires (installed)
-EC TCU manual speedshift with 6500 rpm(installed)

and ofcourse Jerry fine tune.

goal: 500whp-600bhp
(now i am at 380/400 whp-473bhp)

it's alot work especially that we have to take apart the 3 engine(350, E55 and C32) and make from them one engine.
i have a blown 55K engine that i'll take 6 pistons, valves, springs and pulleys from it.
the C32 engine is from my car
the Ml350 engine i bought it used, cheap
i'll swap my C32 kompressor and some other parts with the 55 Kompressor
so the project will not cost me alot.
Pics attached.
350 Block:

350 heads and pistons:

E55K and C32K:

E55 left 350 right:

E55 komp on c32 engine for testing fitment:

My New Project-e55k-c32-engine-testing-fitment.jpg

Which one i choose?

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TruTaing · 02-15-2012, 05:07 PM

dude! Sub'd. This is gonna be awesome! I cant believe the 55k SC fits so nicely... what are the differences in the sizes of the SC?

Robert AMG · 02-15-2012, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TruTaing

dude! Sub'd. This is gonna be awesome! I cant believe the 55k SC fits so nicely... what are the differences in the sizes of the SC?

width: the same
front length: it's longer by one pulley(55 has double crank pulley)
rear lenght: it's longer by one cylinder. we have to cut the rear cylinder runner and modify the SC inlet.

FrankW · 02-15-2012, 05:36 PM

Awesome project!

Robert AMG · 02-15-2012, 05:57 PM

last picture before the new project:

My New Project-last-pic-before-new-project.jpg

Gramma_Benz · 02-15-2012, 06:35 PM

DUDE, you're a MONSTER!!

WaveyKat · 02-15-2012, 07:45 PM

am jealous.. alot of work and $$ but GREAT :-)

TruTaing · 02-15-2012, 07:51 PM

By size, I meant displacement of each SC :P

Lenin · 02-15-2012, 07:54 PM

Why not a 90mm TB? Good luck. Cool project.

whipplem104 · 02-15-2012, 10:05 PM

Way to think outside of the box. glad to see a 3.7l project and love the idea of swapping the 55k supercharger. I think that you could adapt the entire belt setup. Pulley and idlers.

AMG3.2 · 02-16-2012, 01:17 AM

This is going to be epic.

C32maximus · 02-16-2012, 01:40 AM

Hope it goes as planned. Good luck!

Robert AMG · 02-16-2012, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TruTaing

By size, I meant displacement of each SC :P

i think the C32 is 1.6L and the E55 is 2.3L as per info on this forum but if you see them by eye the E55 one is so large and heavy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenin

Why not a 90mm TB? Good luck. Cool project.

90mm is so huge maybe i'll swap my 80mm which is from inside 78mm with a 82mm.

Quote:

Originally Posted by whipplem104

Way to think outside of the box. glad to see a 3.7l project and love the idea of swapping the 55k supercharger. I think that you could adapt the entire belt setup. Pulley and idlers.

yes the entire belt setup must be installed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by C32maximus

Hope it goes as planned. Good luck!

i hope so, if the project didn't get as planned i'll have to return everything to it's original placement and the E55 kompressor will be for garbage cause the runners must be catted.
my only concern is how the boost will be?

MBfinatic · 02-16-2012, 01:34 PM

What next after this? A rear mounted turbo? Twin charged C32!

Normandie4life · 02-16-2012, 01:42 PM

Finally someone crossing the lines and doing something BIG. Good luck man hope everything works out. Most def interested to see results

boohooramblers · 02-16-2012, 01:51 PM

Brilliant! - quite the Frankenstein experiment!

Hopefully tuning / engine management will not be the limiting factor in this project.

Robert AMG · 02-16-2012, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MBfinatic

What next after this? Twin charged C32!

i thought about it but no place to put another C32 SC

loudandheard · 02-16-2012, 04:09 PM

Why didn't you go with the 3.7 brabus crankshaft that was being sold? I am so going to do this project in the next couple of years.

Don't worry about boost, there are a lot of options to increase boost. You can get the new E55K supercharger pulley and combine it with a larger crank pulley, which you already have. I think Jerry even had a 190mm pulley on his car before he sold it, I'm sure you can source a bigger pulley if necessary. I wonder if porting the heads while they are out would help?

What is the top mount intercooler suppose to look like? Worse comes to worse, you could use the E55K intercooler, should work.

AKnight55 · 02-16-2012, 04:12 PM

Awesome build.. Going to be monster if it goes together as planned.

Robert AMG · 02-16-2012, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loudandheard

Why didn't you go with the 3.7 brabus crankshaft that was being sold? I am so going to do this project in the next couple of years.

Don't worry about boost, there are a lot of options to increase boost. You can get the new E55K supercharger pulley and combine it with a larger crank pulley, which you already have. I think Jerry even had a 190mm pulley on his car before he sold it, I'm sure you can source a bigger pulley if necessary. I wonder if porting the heads while they are out would help?

What is the top mount intercooler suppose to look like? Worse comes to worse, you could use the E55K intercooler, should work.

The 3.7 brabus crankshaft will not fit the engine, cause you need a custom rods and custom pistons, the MB rods does not sit in this crankshaft. the holes are different. look at the last post in the thread of the guy who want to sold it, if it work this guy must have installed them from long time.
brabus made a custom crankshaft along with custom rods and pistons and bored the cylinder 2 more mm. i am doing a plug and play project.

As for the boost i am worry about getting high boost with this SC(more then 1.5 bar 23psi) and if the engine can handle it.

i will not put more money in porting polishing to get 10-15hp.

Frozenboost intercooler type 13.

i have measured the 55 intercooler it has almost same dimensions as C32 one: (in cm, core size):
C32: 18*13*9
E55: 20*13*9
the E55 has the bypass tb in it, so i'll use the C32 one direct fit, no bypass no electrical works.
thanks.

320 dreamer · 02-16-2012, 06:10 PM

why not use a block plate instead of cutting the s/c? then if it doesnt work sell it

macbryanie · 02-16-2012, 06:41 PM

AWESOME...

MBfinatic · 02-16-2012, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert AMG

i thought about it but no place to put another C32 SC

I meant as in a turbo!

german32er · 02-16-2012, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert AMG

The 3.7 brabus crankshaft will not fit the engine, cause you need a custom rods and custom pistons, the MB rods does not sit in this crankshaft. the holes are different.

hello,

the crankshaft fits into the block, you need only custom rods &55k pistons, then you have 4.0l

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert AMG

brabus made a custom crankshaft along with custom rods and pistons and bored the cylinder 2 more mm.

no, brabus made only a custom crankshaft & pistons (2mm larger and lower because the higher the stroke) and have 3.7l result....

regardless, my C32 is time passed, "my next steps" are in the C63

I wish you "good luck" in your project

Robert AMG · 02-17-2012, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 320 dreamer

why not use a block plate instead of cutting the s/c? then if it doesnt work sell it

i'll think about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by german32er

hello,
the crankshaft fits into the block, you need only custom rods &55k pistons, then you have 4.0l
no, brabus made only a custom crankshaft & pistons (2mm larger and lower because the higher the stroke) and have 3.7l result....
regardless, my C32 is time passed, "my next steps" are in the C63
I wish you "good luck" in your project

after all i have to make customs rods, no one here in Lebanon can make them and i have no time, 3.7L is enough for me.

today we took apart the C32 engine, pics:

02-15-2012, 05:07 PM	#2
TruTaing Moderator 2001 Mercedes-Benz C-Class Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,999 Drives: w203 m112	dude! Sub'd. This is gonna be awesome! I cant believe the 55k SC fits so nicely... what are the differences in the sizes of the SC? __________________ Last edited by TruTaing; 02-15-2012 at 05:09 PM.

02-15-2012, 05:36 PM	#4
FrankW MBworld Guru Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Diamond Bar, CA Posts: 21,989 Drives: white and whiter	Awesome project! __________________ 2002 W203 M112K with insane amount of mods "updates on last page!" 2008 W204 M272 with not so much mods. wants 307hp 7200 redline engine from SL350 (new pic on last page) For Sale:

02-15-2012, 05:57 PM	#5
Robert AMG Super Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lebanon Posts: 572 Drives: C32 02	last picture before the new project: __________________ Before: Eurocharged stage 3 C32: EC ECU tune, EC TCU tune(manual speedshift+63 paddle shifter+6500 rev), EC 185 pulley, EC long tube headers, EC heat exchanger + OEM Sl55 heat exchanger, in trunk 2.5 gal reservoir+iso kit+CM30 pump, no cats, 55K intake with K&N, 80mm TB kit, NW pulley saver kit, NW oil catch can, NGK BKR7EIX plugs, Magnecore 8.5 wires, -10C fan. New built in progress: 3.72L engine with 55K SC : http://mbworld.org/forums/c32-amg-c5...w-project.html

02-15-2012, 06:35 PM	#6
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02-15-2012, 07:51 PM	#8
TruTaing Moderator 2001 Mercedes-Benz C-Class Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,999 Drives: w203 m112	By size, I meant displacement of each SC :P __________________

02-15-2012, 07:54 PM	#9
Lenin MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: North NJ Posts: 1,189 Drives: 2002 C32 AMG, 2006 Audi A6, 2005 Subaru STi, 2013 GLK 350/4	Why not a 90mm TB? Good luck. Cool project. __________________ LET 181mm pulley, NW Pulley Saver Kit, SL55 full intake with K&N filters, Code3 HE, Code3 Reservoir (separated cooling), Meziere pump, Eurocharged Headers, Supersprint dual exhaust, Eurocharged ECU & TCU tune, Quaife LSD, Bilstein PSS9, CLK 63 front/rear brakes, Zeitronix/DashDaq data logging

02-15-2012, 10:05 PM	#10
whipplem104 Super Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: seattle Posts: 545 Drives: 1990 300ce supercharged and intercooled	Way to think outside of the box. glad to see a 3.7l project and love the idea of swapping the 55k supercharger. I think that you could adapt the entire belt setup. Pulley and idlers.

02-16-2012, 01:17 AM	#11
AMG3.2 MBWorld Fanatic! 2002 Mercedes-Benz C32 Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,134 Drives: C32 AMG	This is going to be epic. __________________

02-16-2012, 01:40 AM	#12
C32maximus Junior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Langley BC Canada Posts: 68 Drives: 2003 C32 AMG	Hope it goes as planned. Good luck!

02-16-2012, 01:34 PM	#14
MBfinatic MBWorld Fanatic! 2005 Mercedes-Benz C-Class Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: VA Posts: 2,393 Drives: e36 318i, 2004 sti	What next after this? A rear mounted turbo? Twin charged C32!

02-16-2012, 01:42 PM	#15
Normandie4life MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hollywood Posts: 1,306 Drives: Black C300	Finally someone crossing the lines and doing something BIG. Good luck man hope everything works out. Most def interested to see results __________________ "My Build Thread"

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boohooramblers Super Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cork, Ireland / Liberty, ME Posts: 894 Drives: Not an AMG :(	Brilliant! - quite the Frankenstein experiment! Hopefully tuning / engine management will not be the limiting factor in this project.

02-16-2012, 04:09 PM	#18
loudandheard MBWorld Fanatic! 2003 Mercedes-Benz C-Class Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,911 Drives: C32/C55 AMG	Why didn't you go with the 3.7 brabus crankshaft that was being sold? I am so going to do this project in the next couple of years. Don't worry about boost, there are a lot of options to increase boost. You can get the new E55K supercharger pulley and combine it with a larger crank pulley, which you already have. I think Jerry even had a 190mm pulley on his car before he sold it, I'm sure you can source a bigger pulley if necessary. I wonder if porting the heads while they are out would help? What is the top mount intercooler suppose to look like? Worse comes to worse, you could use the E55K intercooler, should work. Last edited by loudandheard; 02-16-2012 at 04:12 PM.

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AKnight55 MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NH Posts: 5,382 Drives: E55	Awesome build.. Going to be monster if it goes together as planned. __________________ Eurocharged tune/ TTM scoops/ Sec. cats+ resonator delete/ Forgestar F14/ RennTech v1/ CF trunk spoiler/CF mirror cover/CF roof wrap/6000k HID headlights/ 35% tint/ E63 front bumper/ FTP Heat Exchanger/ CF Intake tubes/ Smaller S/C pulley

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320 dreamer MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: murfreesboro,tn Posts: 2,810 Drives: 2003 porsche 996 turbo	why not use a block plate instead of cutting the s/c? then if it doesnt work sell it

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