Vipershade

Not sure where they got their weight numbers, obviously not from the same AMG employee that posted these: https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ml#post6987445

The 1,880*/1,955 kg ** translates to 4145/4310 lbs. 300 lbs less than W212.

Amg63-

Motortrend says it "feels" much faster than the outgoing w212.

I wonder how much room is left on the table for tuning this new 4.0 or if they ae maxing it out from factory.

Sanch

I don't think this is maxed from the factory... will be interesting to see how much power this thing can really get.

I think under 3secs is a very good possibility. There is no questioning that this car is a weapon. The rear aesthetics is a different story.

PeterUbers

great line

Amg63-

true it most certainly is a beast of a car.

What I love about the w212 is how with just a tune it gains 200wtq. They left so much tuning potential, I figured this was largely due to it having a large displacement 5.5L V8

with the new 4.0 having twin scroll turbos it can probably be tuned for more whp but my guess is torque to the wheels won't be as high.

Man a tune vs tune race between these 212/213 e63s should be an epic battle!

Hammer Down

I have it 10.83 to 130 and a few, less than 7 seconds to 100 3.4 to 60 sounds like high 10's if not very low 11's

Amg63-

W212 e63s also does 3.4 to 60 and runs only mid 11s and traps 121-123mph stock.

I don't get how the w213 is showing a 10mph trap advantage on it

Hammer Down

The key is how quick does the W212 get to 100mph vs the W213. If the W213 can run the 1/8 mile right at 7.0 @ 101 it will run high 10's. My numbers are based on my timing in that W213 launch video a few post back. If it doesn't run 10's with stock tires just add drag radials.

Amg63-

can you compare it to this video of w212 and see what numbers you get? It's closest comparison we can do for now I guess.



https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=rqWwH0Ok75Y

AV1

I read an article with instrumented tests a couple of days ago (lost the link will try find it again) it did 0-60mph in 3.2sec and the quarter mile in 11.41 can't remember the terminal speed, think it was 121mph.

Impressive AMG...

PeterUbers

the amount of tuning an e63S w212 needs to do a 10.8 @ 130 includes aggressive tune, downpipes, meth, lighter wheels, turbo kit... we are talking an 800-900bhp car... it would be strange for a 600 hp car to do the same in stock trim (w213 amg):

https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-/645...-1-4-mile.html

That same tuned w212 is doing 0-60 runs in the high 2's

just saying, but we shall see

also would be strange for the e63S to trump the gts and gtr in straight line performance

Amg63-

are you sure that's not the current 212?

that trap speed is lower than the w212 and same 1/4 mile and 0-60 lol

AV1

Definitely the new one (sorry haven't found the related article yet) he did comment that it's definitely faster/quicker than the old model as he also had comparison data on that one and the test runs in the new car were done with a second passenger on board plus a large load of equipment therefore much heavier compared to him alone in the old car.

Amg63-

is he comparing E63S to e63S?

the trap speeds still are not great if it's only 121mph

outgoing e63s got 123.1mph@11.5 from r&t. A bit surprised with his result.

The ET 11.4 is impressive with all the extra weight. So probably around 11.2 vs 11.5-6

PeterUbers

the amount of power it takes to go from 11.4 to 10's given perfect track/prep/tires/launch.... is quite significant for a car that weighs this much

really more interested also in the 60-130

Amg63-

a trap speed of 121mph pretty much tells you that the 60-130 as of now sounds very close to a w212 which I think is around 8.2s

i don't think it's getting 10s. I was saying without the extra weight it will probably be 11.1-11.2. Still a lot faster than w212 probably due to better traction, more torque and lighter weight. Trap speeds don't look much better so from a roll probably close to us.

TonyMeister

Another insane acceleration video.

kevink2

This link gives a little more info on the new 4MATIC+:
http://www.germancarforum.com/thread...3/#post-816786

One big change is going to a wet clutch in the Torque converter, if I read this correctly. The set-up is like the typical 4matic with a forward drive shaft, except a wet clutch with variable clamping, controls the front wheels, vs direct gearing before. One misleading spec is 50:50 torque spread as a normal Max to front. There is no drive shaft torque measurement system to control to a fixed ratio like this. What is more likely is if you are in soft sand, or snow/ice, the center coupling will lock, and with low traction you will have 50:50 torque split.

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Amg63-

Looks brutally fast. I think w212 may very well get smoked

gaspam

at 11 secs its at about 129mph... thats pretty fast for stock car if its accurate

PeterUbers

Is this the dawn of yet another level of amg performance? 10 second cars??

efiftyfizzle

0-100kmph was about 3.1 seconds. Those shifts are quick!

gaspam

from what i have read, it looks like the 9g tronic shifts faster than the 7g tronic and has less loss of power transferred to input shaft (supposedly 92% transfer vs 85% for 7g tronic)

saw a test from uk site that tested cls 220 bluetec model with the old 7g and one with new 9g and 9g was .2 sec faster 0-60 (equates to about 2.5% better than the 7g 0-60mph)

holding all other things equal, the first 3 gears in the 9g would certain get up an go quicker than the 7g

7G TRONIC
4.377/
2.859/
1.921




9G TRONIC
5.502
/3.3
/2.315

Amg63-

But doesn't a 9 speed transmission have to shift more often?

Wouldn't having to go through more shifts in a way slow it down a bit?

gaspam

not to 60 mph, same number of shifts.. probably same number of shifts in the 1/4 as well... plus more power is getting to the wheels in 9g tranny if the power transfer efficiency diff truly is 92% vs 85%


some interesting info on the 9g tronic http://500sec.com/9g-tronic/

http://documents.epfl.ch/users/f/fr/...s/A1_Paper.pdf