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AMG 190E with a 6.0L V8. Found for sale $8500

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Old Nov 12, 2007 | 03:22 PM
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Exclamation AMG 190E with a 6.0L V8. Found for sale $8500

1986 AMG Mercedes 6.0L V8



1986 AMG 190E 6.0l V8 automatic, in storage for ten years, runs strong but needs head gastkets and cleaning, no tire-kickers or dreamers please. This is the real thing and the real price, $8500
I've never seen this... a V8 in a 190E?

Michas Mercedes 190er W201 Homepage: 190E AMG 6.0

Mercedes Benz 190E 6.0 AMG

$8500.

A few guys are verifying that this IS the same car as those two links above

400+hp 6.0L AMG tuned M117 in a 190E... needs headgaskets
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 12:07 PM
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Updated photos from the owner just received



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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 02:10 PM
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wow the real deal, the "baby hammer"
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 08:39 PM
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wow the real deal, the "baby hammer"
err, no. The "Baby Hammer" was the AMG 3.2L six. I believe that this car is a custom installation, not really an AMG project in the sense that AMG in Germany had any engineering input on fitting the V-8 in a W201 chassis. It could have been done by one of the licensed AMG shops in the US or Canada.
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 09:07 PM
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err, no. The "Baby Hammer" was the AMG 3.2L six. I believe that this car is a custom installation, not really an AMG project in the sense that AMG in Germany had any engineering input on fitting the V-8 in a W201 chassis. It could have been done by one of the licensed AMG shops in the US or Canada.
AMG HAMMER = M117 DOHC 6.0, w124 coin termed by the magazines in 86/87

Baby Hammer = M117 SOHC 6.0 w201.

Built in germany...this car was in the catalogues,etc. I believe that you are incorrect, but regarless cool car.
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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Built in germany...this car was in the catalogues,etc. I believe that you are incorrect, but regarless cool car.
Well, since I have most of the AMG catalogs from the period, mostly in German, there is no reference to a 6.0L W201 in any that I have. I'd love to see a pic of one.

Autoweek in 1988 Used the Baby Monkier

I believe if you check the 1989 issue of Road & Track that reviewed the 3.2L AMG, you'll also find the reference to "Baby Hammer" in the article title.

I really doubt that AMG would have installed the 16 valve's center console in one of their tuned cars.


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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MTI
Well, since I have most of the AMG catalogs from the period, mostly in German, there is no reference to a 6.0L W201 in any that I have. I'd love to see a pic of one.

Autoweek in 1988 Used the Baby Monkier

I believe if you check the 1989 issue of Road & Track that reviewed the 3.2L AMG, you'll also find the reference to "Baby Hammer" in the article title.

I really doubt that AMG would have installed the 16 valve's center console in one of their tuned cars.

Ive seen AW 1989, i have it as well. Ive seen the red 190E 6.0 refered to as the baby hammer as well. I believe it was built around late 87.

So Ive seen the red 190E 6.0 refered to as baby hammer. Baby refering to baby benz (190E), and hammer refering to 6.0.

Magazines can call things whatever they want. I think we could debate it all day what is a baby hammer, but I think we have both seen it called baby hammer with 6.0 or 3.2, 3.4.

BTW, I have a 300E AMG Hammer 6.0 Dohc, and I have a lot of magazines and amg brochures both in english and german from the period. Probably about 200 kg of reading material including magazines from germany, AMS,etc.

regards, Austin
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 12:53 AM
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Anytime you'd like to post a picture of an AMG brochure/catalog/pricelist that denotes the 6.0L W201, I'd be very interested in seeing it.

BTW, does it really matter what car you have?
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Old Nov 17, 2007 | 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MTI
BTW, does it really matter what car you have?
somewhat, since usually when you own a car you tend to know more about it...
either way, we would like to see pics over in the w124 section, austin...!
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Old Nov 17, 2007 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by MTI
Anytime you'd like to post a picture of an AMG brochure/catalog/pricelist that denotes the 6.0L W201, I'd be very interested in seeing it.
Ill look into it again, time permitting.

Originally Posted by MTI
BTW, does it really matter what car you have?
I shoudn't even have to answer that question on so many different levels.
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Old Nov 25, 2007 | 10:11 AM
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BTW, does it really matter what car you have?

He, he, he...one of the funniest things I've read in awhile...
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 10:11 PM
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Of course this car came up FS right AFTER I have blown nearly 9k on my 5.6L swap.....HAHAHAHHA.....MY LIFE IS AWESOME

That first pic is actually very interesting however...it appears that they used the stock euro (or maybe R107) headers for the driver side.....hmmm

Also, I don't know about the 400+ Hp claim. The 6.0 quad cam Hammers and SEL/SEC's were just barely cracking 400 if I remember correctly

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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYNAVY
Of course this car came up FS right AFTER I have blown nearly 9k on my 5.6L swap.....HAHAHAHHA.....MY LIFE IS AWESOME

That first pic is actually very interesting however...it appears that they used the stock euro (or maybe R107) headers for the driver side.....hmmm

Also, I don't know about the 400+ Hp claim. The 6.0 quad cam Hammers and SEL/SEC's were just barely cracking 400 if I remember correctly
M117 6.0DOHC = 385 PS

Maybe MTI has a scanned DYNO chart for the 6.0 SOHC

Flynavy, such as life. How is the subframe going?
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYNAVY
Of course this car came up FS right AFTER I have blown nearly 9k on my 5.6L swap.....HAHAHAHHA.....MY LIFE IS AWESOME
hahahahhah best post ive read all night

Any idea if this sold? Those fenders give me a boner every time i see them

Oh and whats goin on with the rev?
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 03:18 PM
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Maybe MTI has a scanned DYNO chart for the 6.0 SOHC
I slipped it under your AMG catalog listing the 190E 6.0L V-8 Baby Hammer, so You'd find it.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MTI
I slipped it under your AMG catalog listing the 190E 6.0L V-8 Baby Hammer, so You'd find it.
LOL...I was being serious. I think I have a 6.0SOHC dyno graph at home.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 11:28 PM
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It does look like a bit of a beater anyways.....I'm sure you could spend the asking price just getting back in working order.
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Old Nov 28, 2007 | 11:31 PM
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I actually checked this car out in person the other day. To say the least, the guy selling it was very rude and treated me like garbage. Honest to god the opening dialogue was this, verbatim:
"Can someone show me around the AMG out there?"
"No."
"Why's that?"
"$8500 firm, no questions. It has a blow head gasket which I wont repair (he owns an auto shop), and you dont even know that that car is."

I cant recall a time where I have been treated worse.

Regardless, how much do you reckon it would cost to fix this thing up?
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Old Nov 29, 2007 | 12:12 PM
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Over 10k for sure....no doubt about it in my mind (at least if you did it right). This guy would be lucky if he pulled 5k from a hardcore enthusiast / collector
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Old Nov 29, 2007 | 12:13 PM
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What an a$$! But you know what, it is not the car's fault, so you would be right to pursue it it you want it. I wonder not how much it would wonder so much about the cost to get it to be right, but what would it be worth if it was right. Worth the difference in repairs, parts and time?

PS. I had to do the edit because after re-reading, I realized what I had posted didn't make much sense. Then again, sometimes I think I never do

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My guess is that if it were REALLY in good condition (like most of the vintage AMG's you see for sale over in Japan), it could pull 15-10k in the states. Hell, I would have bought it for that much if it were nice. Still, the car has a lot of potential for someone who wants a project. The guy simply needs to wake up, smell the coffee, and half his asking price. Pretty sure he could roll it off the lot for 4-5 grand.....though it seems like he would probably be butthurt about it. People need to learn that (even special) cars lose value when you neglect them for 10 yrs.
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I'm very interested in this car, but it only depends on one thing: was the engine installed by and AMG dealer or by some doofus with a wrench.
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Its hard saying since I believe this exact example is the only 6.0 w201 AMG I've ever seen pics of (previously). Whomever did it kept things pretty standard looking, so MAYBE (?). Not a whole lot of SOHC 6.0 AMG motors just sitting around, even back then, so I would think the odds are higher than you might think
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I had an Fastlane or Performance Car magazine which had a test between the Brabus 190 V8 and the AMG 190 V8. I sold the copy last year but I do remember reading about this car. I think it is the real deal, it looks like it could be a great car if someone gave it a little love.
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Old Dec 4, 2007 | 02:10 PM
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I'm very interested in this car, but it only depends on one thing: was the engine installed by and AMG dealer or by some doofus with a wrench.
I doubt this was done by some dufus with a wrench, how do we not know that it wasn't especially made to oreder from AMG???

Let us not speculate, let's give it the benefit of the doubt. EVERTHING about the car looks period correct, everything from the Hammer wheels to the WHERES-THE-PUKEY-SMILEY paint/keyed red.
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