190E with factory AMG package?
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190E with factory AMG package?
I just found a 89 190E amg for sale for 2,000 and was wondering what the specs are on it.Im gonna be new to mercedes so excuse me if I ask any dumb questions.
It is a 6cyl 2.6 liter engine, and it has the AMG body kit and rims that I was told from the factory.Its has an automatic transmission,sunroof and power everything.
I'm wondering what the horsepower is on the car and if the AMG package is just cosmetic or is the drivetrain different than the standard 190e. Also is there any problems that i should look for or expect.Thanks
It is a 6cyl 2.6 liter engine, and it has the AMG body kit and rims that I was told from the factory.Its has an automatic transmission,sunroof and power everything.
I'm wondering what the horsepower is on the car and if the AMG package is just cosmetic or is the drivetrain different than the standard 190e. Also is there any problems that i should look for or expect.Thanks
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2003 C230K Sport Coupe, 1986 190E 2.3
IN the US the only AMG's were the 1986 and 1987 190E 16V. There was the Evo I and the Evo II's in Europe but they were not designated AMG. Euro's did get a 3.2 AMG in the early 90's and there are a few 9185 AMG 16V models as well, grey market.
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I test drove it today and it definately hauls ***.It has a huge intake on but there are no AMG markings on the engine.It is a AMG kit though so it might be a grey market car.One thing that was kind of strange is when you floor it it has a high piched whine like its turbo charged but theres not a turbo on..Definatley a sweet car.
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Its possible it could be an AMG'ed 190E, with items purchased from AMG then installed after. Back then AMG wasn't a part of MB and they were just a tuner company, it would be hard to find out what the specs are on it, other then getting it dynoed.
Do you by chance have any pictures of it?
Do you by chance have any pictures of it?
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I hope this link works right. http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jnu...&.dnm=2886.jpg
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AMG never tuned the 2.6 engine. Although the 2.6 has almost the same power as a US 16 valve one. Definetely has more tourque lower in the rev band. So more umph off the line.
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Quite a bit of misinformation going on in this thread!
First . . the car in the pic isn't an AMG. It has monoblocks and some sort of aftermarket spoiler, but nothing to indicate a trip to Affalterbach.
Second, AMG tuned the W201, starting in 1983. They developed engine mods for the 4 cylinder, 8 valve M102, then moved on to the 3.2L six, "Baby Hammer" but you could also commission special upgrades, including a V-8 transplant. Using AMG philosophy of staying with normal aspiration, they did a lot of work with cams, intakes and pistons. The result were cars that rev'd higher, but gave away low end torque.
AMG's tuning of the 16 valve was pretty much directed in two areas. For the road cars, AMG created a modified ignition system called the "PowerPack" and for racing in the DTM series, they pretty much ran the program with engine development.
I would probably agree that AMG didn't do the 2.6L model, unless on special order.
First . . the car in the pic isn't an AMG. It has monoblocks and some sort of aftermarket spoiler, but nothing to indicate a trip to Affalterbach.
Second, AMG tuned the W201, starting in 1983. They developed engine mods for the 4 cylinder, 8 valve M102, then moved on to the 3.2L six, "Baby Hammer" but you could also commission special upgrades, including a V-8 transplant. Using AMG philosophy of staying with normal aspiration, they did a lot of work with cams, intakes and pistons. The result were cars that rev'd higher, but gave away low end torque.
AMG's tuning of the 16 valve was pretty much directed in two areas. For the road cars, AMG created a modified ignition system called the "PowerPack" and for racing in the DTM series, they pretty much ran the program with engine development.
I would probably agree that AMG didn't do the 2.6L model, unless on special order.
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I assumed it was an AMG by the rims,body kit and upgraded suspension.The owner of the car is friends with the original owner and told me that he special ordered the car with the upgrades from the factory.There isnt an amg tag on the rear of the car but there also isnt 190e tags either.Thanks again.
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If I had a dime for every car owner that name dropped "AMG" for their car, especially 16 valves . . . I'd have a lot of dimes!
If you want to "debunk" the car, first get a small hand mirror and check the underside of the trunk spoiler and try to locate the AMG trademark and teile number. Do the same for the front bumper spoiler and any other AMG styling trim. The body kit parts will NOT be made of fiberglass. AMG only used a flexible urethane material.
If AMG did any modifications to the motor, they would stamp their own serial number under the intake manifold.
Typically, the interior of an AMG tuned car would have the AMG steering wheel (there were 3 types, but all with the AMG logo), additional wood pieces affixed to the dash and around the door handles.
If you want to "debunk" the car, first get a small hand mirror and check the underside of the trunk spoiler and try to locate the AMG trademark and teile number. Do the same for the front bumper spoiler and any other AMG styling trim. The body kit parts will NOT be made of fiberglass. AMG only used a flexible urethane material.
If AMG did any modifications to the motor, they would stamp their own serial number under the intake manifold.
Typically, the interior of an AMG tuned car would have the AMG steering wheel (there were 3 types, but all with the AMG logo), additional wood pieces affixed to the dash and around the door handles.
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Sorry MTI I was trying to be as simple as possible and only talking of US cars. Although is the 2.3 16 V really considered an AMG anyhow, since the head is Cossworth? As for the 3.2 that was before MB and AMG worked together as they do now, was it not?
As for HP numbers MBUSA has the specs on the website for the 2.3 and the 2.6 only, they do not go far enough back for the 16V model.
Engine & Drivetrain
Engine 2.6-liter inline 6-cylinder.
Net power 158 hp @ 5,800 rpm
Net torque 162 lb-ft @ 4,600 rpm
Compression ratio 9.2:1
Fuel requirement Premium unleaded gasoline.
Fuel and ignition system KE III. KE-5 (1990).
Transmission 4-speed automatic or 5-speed manual.
Engine & Drivetrain
Engine 2.3-liter inline 4-cylinder.
Net power 130 hp @ 5,100 rpm
Net torque 146 lb-ft @ 3,500 rpm
Compression ratio 9.0:1
Fuel requirement Premium unleaded gasoline.
Fuel and ignition system KE-III.
Transmission 4-speed automatic or 5-speed manual.
The last one is for the 8 valve 2.3.
MTI may know the numbers off the actuall 16V, but I do not recall them off the top of my head.
As for HP numbers MBUSA has the specs on the website for the 2.3 and the 2.6 only, they do not go far enough back for the 16V model.
Engine & Drivetrain
Engine 2.6-liter inline 6-cylinder.
Net power 158 hp @ 5,800 rpm
Net torque 162 lb-ft @ 4,600 rpm
Compression ratio 9.2:1
Fuel requirement Premium unleaded gasoline.
Fuel and ignition system KE III. KE-5 (1990).
Transmission 4-speed automatic or 5-speed manual.
Engine & Drivetrain
Engine 2.3-liter inline 4-cylinder.
Net power 130 hp @ 5,100 rpm
Net torque 146 lb-ft @ 3,500 rpm
Compression ratio 9.0:1
Fuel requirement Premium unleaded gasoline.
Fuel and ignition system KE-III.
Transmission 4-speed automatic or 5-speed manual.
The last one is for the 8 valve 2.3.
MTI may know the numbers off the actuall 16V, but I do not recall them off the top of my head.
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'85 190E 2.3-16 '99 C280 '11 GLK350
AMG is given more credit for the 2.3-16 and 2.5-16 than it actually deserves. The 16 valve design and manufacturing work was contracted out to Cosworth since MB didn't have engineering staff with the time or space to develop the head and Cosworth had a special process for thin wall casting that was used in the production of the DOHC head. As time went on, MB became fustrated with production numbers and quality that they were getting from Cosworth and eventually took over the manufacturing of the heads from Cosworth.
In countless sale listings, you'll see references to the 16 valve's body work being designed by AMG, but that's not true either and AMG really didn't design the Evo or Evo II bodywork. What is true is that AMG was commissioned by Mercedes to develop and manage the company's return to road racing via the Evo and Evo II, first as a provider to private teams, then as the management for the factory team.
2.3-16 North American Specs
167 BHP @ 5800 rpm (fuel relay limiter @ 6500 rpm)
162 ft/lb of torque @ 4750 rpm
0-60 in 7.3 seconds
134 mph @ 6400 rpm
9.7:1 compression
Just as a comparison, here's the specs for the 2.5-16 in the Evo II:
232 BHP @7200 rpm (rev limited to 7700 rpm)
181 ft/lb of torque @ 5000 rpm
0-62 in 7.1 (gearing is taller)
155 mph (speed limiter)
10.5:1 compression
In countless sale listings, you'll see references to the 16 valve's body work being designed by AMG, but that's not true either and AMG really didn't design the Evo or Evo II bodywork. What is true is that AMG was commissioned by Mercedes to develop and manage the company's return to road racing via the Evo and Evo II, first as a provider to private teams, then as the management for the factory team.
2.3-16 North American Specs
167 BHP @ 5800 rpm (fuel relay limiter @ 6500 rpm)
162 ft/lb of torque @ 4750 rpm
0-60 in 7.3 seconds
134 mph @ 6400 rpm
9.7:1 compression
Just as a comparison, here's the specs for the 2.5-16 in the Evo II:
232 BHP @7200 rpm (rev limited to 7700 rpm)
181 ft/lb of torque @ 5000 rpm
0-62 in 7.1 (gearing is taller)
155 mph (speed limiter)
10.5:1 compression
