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New Project: 190e EVO II replica with M113 5.4 AMG

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Old Jul 7, 2020 | 06:33 PM
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Hello everyone,

Matt from Poland here - I haven't been very active on the forum since I sold my C63 a few years back.
I am starting a new project and would like to document it here as a build diary.

CAR:
1987 Mercedes 190e 2.3 8v 5-speed MT
Full AMG interior
Well equipped

DONOR:
2001 ML55 AMG

PROJECT GOALS:
Body:
EVO II replica with Topbodykit.co.uk bodykit
Engine: M113 5.4 V8 347hp
Transmission: 722.6 5-speed auto with paddles (might switch to a manual if I find a 716.66 SLK320 MT)
Suspension: Yellow Speed Racing coilovers, W210 E-class steering rack
Brakes: ML55 AMG 4-piston calipers with 345mm front discs
Wheels: 18" BBS LM or custom mesh 3-piece wheels
Interior: OEM AMG interior + Lorinser (Momo M38) steering wheel

We'll see how it goes. For now, I have the donor car, project car, steering wheel and brake adapters. I will probably order the bodykit this week.
The engine swap will start around the 16th of July. Can't wait.

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Old Jul 8, 2020 | 01:34 PM
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I'm just curious. The ML55 AMG looks to be in good shape so I don't understand why you would take the engine from what looks to be a really good and rare ML for your project? Why don't you find an engine from an AMG that's been wrecked and can't otherwise be repaired would be my advise?
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Old Jul 8, 2020 | 02:18 PM
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I bought it for 2000usd with a healthy engine and good brakes.
i’ll take what I need and sell it someone who needs the parts.
how much cheaper should a donor car be?
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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 11:51 AM
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It seems to me to be a terrible waste to break up a still running, usable and rare AMG vehicle. It'll be much harder to sell without it's AMG engine. A wrecked vehicle that's no longer driivable is a much better and less expensive option for your purpose. Also the EvoII kits that are out there tend to be very expensive in addition to not fitting very well.
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Old Jul 9, 2020 | 03:41 PM
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It seems to me to be a terrible waste to break up a still running, usable and rare AMG vehicle. It'll be much harder to sell without it's AMG engine. A wrecked vehicle that's no longer driivable is a much better and less expensive option for your purpose. Also the EvoII kits that are out there tend to be very expensive in addition to not fitting very well.
Ok, I will abandon this project then. Thank you for your input
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I think you've made a wise decision.
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Old Jul 11, 2020 | 10:53 AM
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With your w202, I'm presuming it's a 2.6.
Instead, why don't you swap it's with an M103 or M104
A member recently completed a swap of an M113 (2004 E500) and a ZF six speed manual gearbox.
You can most likely find an m113 for cheap as well as the tranny.
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olszowa12,
With your w202, I'm presuming it's a 2.6.
Instead, why don't you swap it's with an M103 or M104
A member recently completed a swap of an M113 (2004 E500) and a ZF six speed manual gearbox.
You can most likely find an m113 for cheap as well as the tranny.
I was being sarcastic I am still going with the M113 AMG engine and will use the ML55 as a donor car.
I"ll see about the transmission - I'll look into the ZF 6-speed one

And my car is a 2.3 - it's a European version I presume.
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Too bad. You'll have a hard time selling the ML without it's AMG engine. I sure wouldn't buy any AMG without it's hand built engine. The ML will also be worth alot less without it's AMG engine. Not a smart or cost effective move IMHO.
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Both cars were recently transported to my friend's shop where the heart transplant will take place.
Can't wait to rip the engines and transmissions out

After finally ordering the whole EVO II bodykit from Topbodykit.co.uk this Saturday, it was delivered to me on Tuesday at 23.55, because they had one set they just completed.
Impressive time of delivery from the UK to Poland, and the quality of the kit is really good. No damage, the packaging was excellent. Very even surfaces, quite flexible and all mounting points are molded into the parts.
I am very impressed with the quality, as well as the customer service - they replied to maaany of my emails.I am hoping the kit will fit as smoothly as this whole transaction went








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Old Jul 29, 2020 | 01:23 PM
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Engine, transmission, driveshaft are out.

Recevied my new manual 6-speed SLK320 transmission today.
Hopefully it will all work out as planned

Still need to work out the what differential we should use for this project.





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i have always wanted to do this. also those years ML are trash so who cares about parting it.
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i have always wanted to do this. also those years ML are trash so who cares about parting it.
Exactly my thought.


Got some new parts in - Yellow Speed Racing coilovers with camber plates and adpaters for the front 345mm brakes fromt he ML55.






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Originally Posted by insame1
i have always wanted to do this. also those years ML are trash so who cares about parting it.
Destroying an AMG vehicle is not a smart financial decision. The AMGs came with additional features that the regular versions didn't have.
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Looking forward to see more updates on your swap.




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Destroying an AMG vehicle is not a smart financial decision. The AMGs came with additional features that the regular versions didn't have.
You remind me of....
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You remind me of....
A personal attack shows the weakness of your position and is not a valid response to this thread.
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You remind me of....
Lol - You can read his thesis here.
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A personal attack shows the weakness of your position and is not a valid response to this thread.
Thanx noob
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Being respectful of differing viewpoints is what the U.S. was founded on. It's apparent that there are a couple of people who choose to use bullying insults instead. How pathetic.
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No, not bullying....you're new here, and come across as a real know it all........nobody likes a know it all Sir.

GL to ya.
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Name calling and needlessly dragging out a thread to do so because someone dares to post a different opinion is called bullying. Knock it off.
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Name calling and needlessly dragging out a thread to do so because someone dares to post a different opinion is called bullying. Knock it off.
By name calling you mean noob? As in newbie......you appear to be doing plenty of dragging yourself Sir. Knock it off? LOL, okay pop.
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