Mercedes 190 Project, some doubts...
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Mercedes 190 Project, some doubts...
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i'm in the start of rebuilding my mercedes 190 and i'm changing the engine with a 2.500 16v turbo diesel & intercooler. So, my intentions are to get the injectors from a 300TD, the fuel injection pump from the 300TD and a new turbo ... one of variable geometry maybe. Is the instalation of the 300TD injection pump and the injectors possible?
As for the turbo, any ideas if a turbo from a CDI engine will work? I know that turbos of variable geometry works with vacuum ( don't know how to write it ) ... but i saw a diesel car, without efi or ecu, working with that turbo. I think instead of vacuum, it worked with the pression valve.
So now for the suspension,
I was thinking on the HR CUP KIT, new sway bars and strut bars.
But i really don't know about the swaybars. Are any good upgrades available on the market or must it be custom made? Delsing has some good products but i really never saw anyone with their products. Either way,
Suspension setup
- HR CUPKIT
- Front and back sway bars ( e400 ... other? )
- Front and back strut bars ( where can i get them? )
- Camber kit
As for wheels i think i'm going 15" and use E300/190 2.5 16v brakes ...
I'm pointing to 190-200hp.
thank you for the support
i'm in the start of rebuilding my mercedes 190 and i'm changing the engine with a 2.500 16v turbo diesel & intercooler. So, my intentions are to get the injectors from a 300TD, the fuel injection pump from the 300TD and a new turbo ... one of variable geometry maybe. Is the instalation of the 300TD injection pump and the injectors possible?
As for the turbo, any ideas if a turbo from a CDI engine will work? I know that turbos of variable geometry works with vacuum ( don't know how to write it ) ... but i saw a diesel car, without efi or ecu, working with that turbo. I think instead of vacuum, it worked with the pression valve.
So now for the suspension,
I was thinking on the HR CUP KIT, new sway bars and strut bars.
But i really don't know about the swaybars. Are any good upgrades available on the market or must it be custom made? Delsing has some good products but i really never saw anyone with their products. Either way,
Suspension setup
- HR CUPKIT
- Front and back sway bars ( e400 ... other? )
- Front and back strut bars ( where can i get them? )
- Camber kit
As for wheels i think i'm going 15" and use E300/190 2.5 16v brakes ...
I'm pointing to 190-200hp.
thank you for the support
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i'm changing the engine with a 2.500 16v turbo diesel & intercooler
What engine is this? The 2.5TD is SOHC, 8 valves.
I was thinking on the HR CUP KIT
The cup kit will get you about 2.5 inches of drop, depending on the actual weight of the car.
- Front and back sway bars ( e400 ... other? )
- Front and back strut bars ( where can i get them? )
- Camber kit
Swaybars can be sourced from the 16 valves, Sportline, or W124 V-8 (400E/500E) chassis cars, with some minor modifications. There are even a few EVO II rear sway bars on Ebay from time to time. You might be able to find an Eibach set as well.
As for wheels i think i'm going 15" and use E300/190 2.5 16v brakes ...
Why not larger whees with the 400/420E brakes, since you're likely going to have to change the spindles anyway?
i'm changing the engine with a 2.500 16v turbo diesel & intercooler
What engine is this? The 2.5TD is SOHC, 8 valves.
I was thinking on the HR CUP KIT
The cup kit will get you about 2.5 inches of drop, depending on the actual weight of the car.
- Front and back sway bars ( e400 ... other? )
- Front and back strut bars ( where can i get them? )
- Camber kit
Swaybars can be sourced from the 16 valves, Sportline, or W124 V-8 (400E/500E) chassis cars, with some minor modifications. There are even a few EVO II rear sway bars on Ebay from time to time. You might be able to find an Eibach set as well.
As for wheels i think i'm going 15" and use E300/190 2.5 16v brakes ...
Why not larger whees with the 400/420E brakes, since you're likely going to have to change the spindles anyway?
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What engine is this? The 2.5TD is SOHC, 8 valves.
What engine is this? The 2.5TD is SOHC, 8 valves.
Why not larger whees with the 400/420E brakes, since you're likely going to have to change the spindles anyway?
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Well, the engine will will be a 605 ( i think this is it ). It can be found on the 94-00 Mercedes Class C 250TD. We'll remove the electronics because it's very difficult/complex to adapt the old W201 "electronic" to the new one.
So, why not bigger rims? ... well, i belong to a club that's called Sideways Addiction... lol i think that get's all clear now
The 16s, like we say here in Portugal, are neither meat or fish ... the 15s are the perfect size for driveability ( i don't know if this is the right way to write it ), dynamics and fun factor.
But MTI, do you think 16" would be a nice install? i'm talking in theory, because i never drove a 190 with 16s
As for the brakes ... i would like to get the E420 but then, the wheel factor comes up ... only 16s... so my next bet can be the E300, S350 brakes with new rotors and linebrakes and all that stuff.
Talking about suspension, the HR CUP KIT drop's a lot! Will the back drop too or it will be high like we see on some W201 ? What other possibilities can we have in therms of suspension? Eibach-Bilstein is one ... are there Koni shocks for W201?
For updates, we're getting a new E270CDI Turbo & Intercooler
We'll adapt the garret vnt22 variable geometry turbo to a non eletronic engine by replacing the wastegate, new oil lines, new exahust manifold and maybe... maybe a new admission manifolds ( i don't know how you called this ... it's the manifolds that connects to the cilinder heads in order to provide air ).
We'll work the injectors/injection pump of a E270CDI too.
One question, are the W210 brakes direct fit or can they fit on the W201?
So, why not bigger rims? ... well, i belong to a club that's called Sideways Addiction... lol i think that get's all clear now
The 16s, like we say here in Portugal, are neither meat or fish ... the 15s are the perfect size for driveability ( i don't know if this is the right way to write it ), dynamics and fun factor. But MTI, do you think 16" would be a nice install? i'm talking in theory, because i never drove a 190 with 16s
As for the brakes ... i would like to get the E420 but then, the wheel factor comes up ... only 16s... so my next bet can be the E300, S350 brakes with new rotors and linebrakes and all that stuff.
Talking about suspension, the HR CUP KIT drop's a lot! Will the back drop too or it will be high like we see on some W201 ? What other possibilities can we have in therms of suspension? Eibach-Bilstein is one ... are there Koni shocks for W201?
For updates, we're getting a new E270CDI Turbo & Intercooler
We'll adapt the garret vnt22 variable geometry turbo to a non eletronic engine by replacing the wastegate, new oil lines, new exahust manifold and maybe... maybe a new admission manifolds ( i don't know how you called this ... it's the manifolds that connects to the cilinder heads in order to provide air ). We'll work the injectors/injection pump of a E270CDI too.
One question, are the W210 brakes direct fit or can they fit on the W201?
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the HR cup might not be the best choice for you - since you are in Europe have a look at FK Automotive. They have a kit that may be better suited for what you are looking for. There is some concern with excessive camber that can not be corrected with out sourcing addition suspension components.
changing your brakes to a 300/400 series may leave you with no choice but to go to a 17" to be able to clear the brake componenets and be required to change the MC and booster. To be honest stay with what you have and go for drilled/slotted disc and matching pad.
changing your brakes to a 300/400 series may leave you with no choice but to go to a 17" to be able to clear the brake componenets and be required to change the MC and booster. To be honest stay with what you have and go for drilled/slotted disc and matching pad.
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I have direct fitting 16" wheels I will sell for $200. PM me if interested or want a picture.
They used to be on my 190E and looked really sharp. Definately made the car look newer.
They used to be on my 190E and looked really sharp. Definately made the car look newer.
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the 250 Turbodiesel engine from the 94-2000 C-class is a 20valve engine. The 2.5 diesel engine from the 190 is a 10valve. (all 250's are 5cylinders, so it's technically impossible for them to be 16valve or 8 valve)
I'm also thinkin' of changing brake system to that of a 300E (or maybe 400E), since now it only has 1 pod callipers, I'd like to have a bit more braking power, especially on autobahn.
you can fit 16" wheels on the 300/400 brake systems, the 300E and 400E had 16" wheels as standard also...
greetz,
matteus
I'm also thinkin' of changing brake system to that of a 300E (or maybe 400E), since now it only has 1 pod callipers, I'd like to have a bit more braking power, especially on autobahn.
you can fit 16" wheels on the 300/400 brake systems, the 300E and 400E had 16" wheels as standard also...
greetz,
matteus
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Yes yes matteus, you're right. i know that but when i was typing the 16v just when out my fingers ( i was thinking DOHC 4 cyl ). it's 20v 
Well i'm still deciding where to go ...
Just one thing, what do you think of WALD bodykit?
well, i'm thinking on getting the front rieger bumper ( W202 style ) and the back window spoiler ( DTM style ) but then i saw the WALD bodykit and got me thinking :|
Well i'm still deciding where to go ...
Just one thing, what do you think of WALD bodykit?
well, i'm thinking on getting the front rieger bumper ( W202 style ) and the back window spoiler ( DTM style ) but then i saw the WALD bodykit and got me thinking :|
