I would hope they treat you quite well considering the amount of money you have spent with them.

I have been to several lexus dealers and always recieved excellent service. Seems hit or miss with MB. I have had both, prefer Lexus service. The cars are both great and I feel that each of the cars excel in their own way. When comparing a lexus of similar value to an MB I feel the interior materials are much better in the lexus, but on the same note I think the vehicle feel is better on MB. Does the MB interior suck? No. Does the Lexus vehicle feel suck? No. They are both great cars.

 

When the Lexus execs say that they don't compete with the 3 large luxo manufacturers doesn't mean that they are admitting that their product is sub par. They meant that their target market is for people who like the luxury ride and not the european ride and handling.

 

No Sir. Again, a comprehension problem. If you go back through this thread I agreed with you on a lot of things, only disagreeing with you when you only brought up baseless, factless nonese just to irritate S-Class owners here, which seems to be your sole mission here.

M

 

I think rieger is really a 15 year old, his arguments and logic seem to fit someone of that age group.

 

 

No offense, you know I like you. And you don't act/sound like most your age.

 

Tell me which ones where baseless facts according to you then.

 

just like your logic that a LS600 is a Toyota. ok then if chrysler uses MB parts does that make a chysler a MB. According to your logic it would. Then you are just overpaying for what the star on your hood?

 

You miss the point entirely and summarize people's opinions incorrectly. I NEVER SAID THAT THE LS600 IS A TOYOTA. Toyota does use some CURRENT parts in their Lexus vehicles. My point is that DaimlerChrysler sent several OLD platforms and parts, not current technology to Chrysler for use. The Chrysler 300 was based on the old W210 E-Class and the Crossfire was the old R170 SLK. I see nothing wrong with sharing older proven technology with a companies cheaper sibling. If DC had been putting current S-Class technology into Chrysler, then I think most S-Class buyers would be pissed. This is not the case.

Rieger, once and for all shut the **** up, you are so full of it.

 

So by you saying that Lexus has Toyota parts you aren't trying to insinuate Lexus is a Toyota. BS If not then why even say it or make the association.
Also is an Audi a Volkswagen since some of the parts are used in both makes?
You also said this right after someone said who wants to pay for a 100k Toyota. Before you tell me about comprehension you should look up the word insinuate dumb#ss.
If you don't want to see what I am saying then leave or don't respond **** for brains.
You think you telling me to shut the @#$% up will help your cause.

 

Indeed I'm talking about Prestige.

We've received good customer service from all of their franchises, but I rate the Lexus experience the highest in terms of customer satisfaction.

 

How about you don't insinuate from what I say and instead just read it for what it is. No I don't think a Lexus is a big Toyota, with the exception of the ES which is totally a Camery reskinned. All Lexus do have many Toyota parts, I mean just look at the radio buttons they don't even bother to change them. That is what I find cheap, it's in the details for me.

Audi and VW do much of this as well, but I'm not talking about Audi/VW, I'm talking about Lexus and Mercedes.

 

I've already addressed those posts, go back and read them. Anyone reading this thread can point to many of your posts about MB's being Chryslers and how they're so full of bugs and how Lexuses never, ever have any problems etc. etc. It goes on and on, most of it just a bunch of senseless chatter. Your latest rantings about Lexus/Toyota and Mercedes/Chrysler prove this perfectly. Anyone that has a clue knows that Mercedes and Chrysler are not related in the same way that Lexus/Toyota is. You can talk about parts all day long, but the fact of the matter is that Lexus was thought up at a Toyota board meeting in 1987 and that Toyota is the company that makes them. Slapping different badges on them in their home market hasn't fooled many because they've seen it for what it is, a marketing exercise, a made up, synthetic brand name. Sure they make excellent cars, but to sit here and imply that Lexus/Toyota's relationship is the same a Chrysler's and Mercedes is just plum ridiculous and completely discredits you.

Audi/VW's releationship is very similar to Lexus/Toyota's, but it wasn't always that way. The 2 brands have their own histories and what not, neither were plucked out of thin air. True they do share a lot which is why Audis like the TT can't ever match its BMW/Porsche competition in the chassis department because there is only so much you can do with what is basically a Golf/Rabbit chassis.

I'll even go you one further, the real Lexuses as I see them are the IS, SC, GS and of course LS. These models have no Toyota counterpart anymore.

The ES, RX, GX, and LX are nothing more than Toyotas either rebadged or reskinned. Why anyone would buy a RX or LX over the Land Crusier or new Highlander is beyond me. Dealer service is ofter sighted as a reason to buy a Lexus, yet in the same breath Lexus fanatics will tell you that they never have to visit the dealer. If that is the case then then most should save the money and go for the Toyota which is just as good a product, if missing 1 or 2 bells and whistles. You aren't missing anything.

Then there is the matter of styling, again to me there is no reason to buy a Lexus over a Toyota, neither look like anything. Ditto for the driving experience save for the IS350 and GS460. A Avalon can do any and everything a ES350 can do for less money with more space to boot. Both are about as ugly as you can make a car, so why not go with the larger, just as powerful Toyota? All of them being based on the same basic chassis.

Again, VW/Audi has a similar thing going on, but not with as many models.

I don't know if it is still true, but at one time Lexuses glass used to clearly say "Toyota".

The thing that gets me about Lexus fanatics is that they always try to make is seem like Lexus is some seperate company. Toyota gave Lexus their own this and their own that, yet similar styling cues are still shared across the line. The new Highlander for example looks remarkably like the new LX570. Camry Solara coupe looks like the SC430 and this was done intentionally. The Camry and LS460 even share a lot of similar styling cues inside and out.

The delusion about Lexus being this somehow seperate and special entity is just that, a delusion.

M

 

Germancar1...

thank you for a fantastic, well written post. I agree 100%.

 

I still don't understand with what is wrong with owning a Toyota.
I go out of my way to tell people that the LX470 is based very heavily on the Land Cruiser!

 

I do notice the orange peel on MB paint but I'd rather have the almost undetectable orange peel than the very obvious swirl marks. As far as VAG automobiles, you're right, Audi ,VW, Bentley have stunning smoothness to their paint jobs. I owned a VW Phaeton and was amazed how slick the paint job was BUT within two or three gentle car washes (and I'm very careful), it showed swirl marks that never come out.

 

Rieger,

Why do you feel it's necessary to insult the MB brand and many members on a MB forum? What exactly is your point other than painting yourself as a troll and showing us how insecure you appear to be? Do you honestly feel you can come on a MB forum and convert all of us over to the Lexus brand by your relentless rants and biased viewpoints? If you want your points to be taken seriously, why not do it in a more diplomatic way? You can make the same arguments and probably get more of us to listen to you if you changed your approach. I like Lexus but I've never owned one but if I did I would be very embarrassed to have someone with your kind of attitude representing the brand.

You've quoted various sources to attempt to prove your points yet to me, it seems asinine to do so when you consider Lexus' flagship model came in dead last in a recent C&D review of luxury cars and Mercedes' flagship model came in 1st place! So instead you try to dig up negative info on the brands history to justify your points. Jaguar isn't known for their top-notch quality/reliability etc. and they didn't come in last place in that review either. I don't hear you complaining about all of the other luxury cars faults that didn't make 1st place in that review

Just my two cents.

Nick

PS At least you can be confident that you can rant and rave all day long here without being banned immediately. If the situation were reversed and this sort of bashing was taken place at ClubLexus (against the Lexus brand)...you would have been banned about 170 posts ago!

 

I haven't been banned at Clublexus yet

Rieger, you do need to keep it a lot more in line though or you're gonna get kicked out.

 

First off I agree with most of your post but I was not responding about Lexus in general since it is obvious that some of the models are Toyota's which I agree with you that in some instances I would rather save a couple of grand and just get the Toyota. I was responding to other members who said the LS was just a 130k Toyota and you or someone responded right after that Lexus does use Toyota parts. Since this is a LS600 thread than if you are not talking about this LS600 being a toyota than you could have made it clear that you were talking about the ES,LX etc.
The point is that many of you like to insult the Lexus brand because it is what japanese yet you won't do the same about another german brand like the Audi.

 

Vraa I appreciate the warning but look back into the thread and even though I have stated my opinions about MB I have never insulted anyone without being insulted first and I don't believe in giving people free pop shots. Others have insulted the Lexus brand so I can't see why going the other way is not fair game . If Mb owners can't take it then don't dish it out.
I don't have a problem with people saying "I went for a test drive and it wasn't what I was looking for" or it isn't that fuel efficient as Lexus had stated. I have a problem when someone says the LS600 is a POS or that it will never drive like a MB, or that it is basically a Toyota when it is obviously not.

 

First or last to throw insults, it still violates the TOU.
Since you acknowledge that you did, consider the warning your last one, next time it's a ban.

The same goes for everyone else too. Just to refresh everyone, the TOU can be found here:
https://mbworld.org/forums/terms.php

 

BTW, the LS 460L brochure & website says it does 0-60 in 5.4 seconds and the 1/4 mile in just 13.9 seconds. However, C&D got much slower times than this (6.2 & 14.6 seconds). Usually a car manufacturer will be conservative in the performance figures and then you usually see the magazines get even better times. Anyone know if the LS 460L can get better times than C&D reported? Maybe C&D got a dud which sometimes happens.

Just curious which one is faster in a straight line? Lexus' 460L or MB S550. Anyone get a chance to race 'em yet?

 

When I drove ls460 (not l) at Taste of Lexus, it had very slow feeling comparing to my Z4 which performs as 0-60 5.6 secs accordingly BMW.

 

mb/bmw/audi cannot compete with lexus, when world's biggest & richest car company is funding lexus for R&D and quality control.

lexus is already selling way more cars than MB or BMW in the states, obviously they know what they're doing.

 

I agree, price is the major factor to buy sales. Anyway there is no chance to convince MB people that Lexus is better.