What do u guys think of new 2008 Lexus LS600?
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[QUOTE=1SICKLEX;2320758]lol, your a funny guy. Lost to the S-class? They all are winners. Don't look at sales figures, you should die...
You talk about Lexus copying, well all car makers copy. The new S-class (Which is superb) borrowed fender flares from any SUV/RX-8, Trunklid from the 7 series, dash from the 7 series, and electroluminescent gauges from Lexus.
Lexus strategy clearly works, the results speak for themselves.
OH I love the pictures of this black Toyota Camry it looks better than S65!
You talk about Lexus copying, well all car makers copy. The new S-class (Which is superb) borrowed fender flares from any SUV/RX-8, Trunklid from the 7 series, dash from the 7 series, and electroluminescent gauges from Lexus.Lexus strategy clearly works, the results speak for themselves.
OH I love the pictures of this black Toyota Camry it looks better than S65!
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lol, your a funny guy. Lost to the S-class? They all are winners. Don't look at sales figures, you should die... You talk about Lexus copying, well all car makers copy. The new S-class (Which is superb) borrowed fender flares from any SUV/RX-8, Trunklid from the 7 series, dash from the 7 series, and electroluminescent gauges from Lexus.
Lexus strategy clearly works, the results speak for themselves.
You talk about Lexus copying, well all car makers copy. The new S-class (Which is superb) borrowed fender flares from any SUV/RX-8, Trunklid from the 7 series, dash from the 7 series, and electroluminescent gauges from Lexus.Lexus strategy clearly works, the results speak for themselves.
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Few greater fans of Mercedes than me, but I think the Maybach-S class-BMW7 boot lid is not particularly attractive.
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So does that make Audi a VW and also all chrysler MB's or MB's Chryslers or all Lamborghini's also VW's, and don't tell the Rolls Royce owners that they are only driving a BMW.
lol, your a funny guy. Lost to the S-class? They all are winners. Don't look at sales figures, you should die... You talk about Lexus copying, well all car makers copy. The new S-class (Which is superb) borrowed fender flares from any SUV/RX-8, Trunklid from the 7 series, dash from the 7 series, and electroluminescent gauges from Lexus.
Lexus strategy clearly works, the results speak for themselves.
OH I love the pictures of this black Toyota Camry it looks better than S65!
You talk about Lexus copying, well all car makers copy. The new S-class (Which is superb) borrowed fender flares from any SUV/RX-8, Trunklid from the 7 series, dash from the 7 series, and electroluminescent gauges from Lexus.Lexus strategy clearly works, the results speak for themselves.
OH I love the pictures of this black Toyota Camry it looks better than S65!
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Agree with you there that the S-class Trunklid is not only "not particularly attractive" but downright ugly just like it is on the 7 series. The S-class design would look a lot more attractive without the trunklid definitely. Even Lexus is not copying the trunklid so you got to know that it is definitely horrendous since they do like to copy a lot of the styling cues from the germans admittedly in the LS class.
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Another Toyota Lexus Camry but silver one this time 
You see the difference? I love Toyotas they all look the same! Actually I think the silver one looks better!!!
You see the difference? I love Toyotas they all look the same! Actually I think the silver one looks better!!!
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Agree with you there that the S-class Trunklid is not only "not particularly attractive" but downright ugly just like it is on the 7 series. The S-class design would look a lot more attractive without the trunklid definitely. Even Lexus is not copying the trunklid so you got to know that it is definitely horrendous since they do like to copy a lot of the styling cues from the germans admittedly in the LS class.
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I don't understand all the fuss about the LS looks. I fail to see any copy cat in the design and I've always liked the way it looks. I think the new style is distinctive and I would never mistake it for an Avalon. I might mistake the ES for a Camry.
Yes, I think the S and E Class are far more classic. But I'm mature enough to realize it's a subjective issue.
I'm pissed that the way Toyota has been using they hybrid to boost HP rather than MPG. I would much rather buy an LS as a V6 hybrid. But my next car will be a Bluetec over any hybrid technology.
Yes, I think the S and E Class are far more classic. But I'm mature enough to realize it's a subjective issue.
I'm pissed that the way Toyota has been using they hybrid to boost HP rather than MPG. I would much rather buy an LS as a V6 hybrid. But my next car will be a Bluetec over any hybrid technology.
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I don't understand all the fuss about the LS looks. I fail to see any copy cat in the design and I've always liked the way it looks. I think the new style is distinctive and I would never mistake it for an Avalon. I might mistake the ES for a Camry.
Yes, I think the S and E Class are far more classic. But I'm mature enough to realize it's a subjective issue.
I'm pissed that the way Toyota has been using they hybrid to boost HP rather than MPG. I would much rather buy an LS as a V6 hybrid. But my next car will be a Bluetec over any hybrid technology.
Yes, I think the S and E Class are far more classic. But I'm mature enough to realize it's a subjective issue.
I'm pissed that the way Toyota has been using they hybrid to boost HP rather than MPG. I would much rather buy an LS as a V6 hybrid. But my next car will be a Bluetec over any hybrid technology.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/15/au...ws/15AUTO.html
Some great lines, like:
Behind its green Teflon shield, the Lexus proved to be just another overstuffed sedan that can barely top 20 miles a gallon — less, if you actually tap into all that power. If that’s saving the planet, Jor-El had better prepare the escape pod before it’s too late.
Some great lines, like:
Behind its green Teflon shield, the Lexus proved to be just another overstuffed sedan that can barely top 20 miles a gallon — less, if you actually tap into all that power. If that’s saving the planet, Jor-El had better prepare the escape pod before it’s too late.
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This was presented at the 1997 Tokyo auto show.
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Lexus may have not directly copied the trunk, but the resemblance is there. Just look at that flat "plateau" where it sticks out. Definately shares a resemblance to the BMW trunks. The Maybach and S-Class may have the clamshell type trunk but the BMW trunks are really flat and look like a coffee table.
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S600 owner opinion
I recently chose an S600 over the Lexus (among other cars).
I feel I must give props to Lexus in a few areas. If these were my priority, I would have chosen the LS over the S:
* Exterior appearance - I think the lines, especially profile, may prove to be more timeless than the current S.
* Interior appointments for pricepoint - equal to the 600 in many respects, and hugely better than the 550 at the same/better price
* Paint quality - As expected on the LS. I am unimpressed with my 600. No better than the M45 at 1/3 price, and far lower than my Acura NSX from 1994.
* Stereo quality - 2nd best I have ever heard. Audi B&O is the leader by far, followed by LS, then a dozen other luxury cars including the S.
* Reliability - I am confident the LS will prove far more reliable than the S, 7-series, or any other high end saloon.
Negatives, or why I chose the S600:
* LS has the world's most unexciting handling
* Power - accelleration is substantially less than the 600
* Completeness of leather appointments - still has plastic dash and other components.
* Not V12, or more to the point, no V12 badge. Yes, I am that shallow. I love the fact that my 600 is a V12 and declares itself as such to the world.
I feel I must give props to Lexus in a few areas. If these were my priority, I would have chosen the LS over the S:
* Exterior appearance - I think the lines, especially profile, may prove to be more timeless than the current S.
* Interior appointments for pricepoint - equal to the 600 in many respects, and hugely better than the 550 at the same/better price
* Paint quality - As expected on the LS. I am unimpressed with my 600. No better than the M45 at 1/3 price, and far lower than my Acura NSX from 1994.
* Stereo quality - 2nd best I have ever heard. Audi B&O is the leader by far, followed by LS, then a dozen other luxury cars including the S.
* Reliability - I am confident the LS will prove far more reliable than the S, 7-series, or any other high end saloon.
Negatives, or why I chose the S600:
* LS has the world's most unexciting handling
* Power - accelleration is substantially less than the 600
* Completeness of leather appointments - still has plastic dash and other components.
* Not V12, or more to the point, no V12 badge. Yes, I am that shallow. I love the fact that my 600 is a V12 and declares itself as such to the world.
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To add to negatives of LS: Tiny clock is made of cheap casio digital, housed in cheap plastic, mounted on the center of dashboard like any toyota/scion models. They've been doing this since the '80's. I guess its' a classic now! LOL
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I recently chose an S600 over the Lexus (among other cars).
I feel I must give props to Lexus in a few areas. If these were my priority, I would have chosen the LS over the S:
* Exterior appearance - I think the lines, especially profile, may prove to be more timeless than the current S.
* Interior appointments for pricepoint - equal to the 600 in many respects, and hugely better than the 550 at the same/better price
* Paint quality - As expected on the LS. I am unimpressed with my 600. No better than the M45 at 1/3 price, and far lower than my Acura NSX from 1994.
* Stereo quality - 2nd best I have ever heard. Audi B&O is the leader by far, followed by LS, then a dozen other luxury cars including the S.
* Reliability - I am confident the LS will prove far more reliable than the S, 7-series, or any other high end saloon.
Negatives, or why I chose the S600:
* LS has the world's most unexciting handling
* Power - accelleration is substantially less than the 600
* Completeness of leather appointments - still has plastic dash and other components.
* Not V12, or more to the point, no V12 badge. Yes, I am that shallow. I love the fact that my 600 is a V12 and declares itself as such to the world.
I feel I must give props to Lexus in a few areas. If these were my priority, I would have chosen the LS over the S:
* Exterior appearance - I think the lines, especially profile, may prove to be more timeless than the current S.
* Interior appointments for pricepoint - equal to the 600 in many respects, and hugely better than the 550 at the same/better price
* Paint quality - As expected on the LS. I am unimpressed with my 600. No better than the M45 at 1/3 price, and far lower than my Acura NSX from 1994.
* Stereo quality - 2nd best I have ever heard. Audi B&O is the leader by far, followed by LS, then a dozen other luxury cars including the S.
* Reliability - I am confident the LS will prove far more reliable than the S, 7-series, or any other high end saloon.
Negatives, or why I chose the S600:
* LS has the world's most unexciting handling
* Power - accelleration is substantially less than the 600
* Completeness of leather appointments - still has plastic dash and other components.
* Not V12, or more to the point, no V12 badge. Yes, I am that shallow. I love the fact that my 600 is a V12 and declares itself as such to the world.
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I definitely agree. I had my s430 for 6 years, the last 3 years, did'nt wash it as often as the first 3, often left outside on rain or hot sunshine. It took abuse very well. .. It's still shine the day I sold it. It's hard to dull an MB paint, even the previous models. I think it's even better now with nanotech.
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I believe Lexus's first run is 95% meaning that 95% of their vehicles have satisfactory paint jobs. I assume this is expected considering their process is extensively automated.
It's very tight security from what I've heard at the Lexus paint plants as well.
Compared to Corolla or Camry which is significantly less.
Personally I have a 2005 LS430 as a daily driver for a few explicit reasons
a) Consistently reliable
b) Cheap maintenance. I can use Toyota parts.
c) It's fairly quick compared to less expensive sports cars.
d) Mark Levinson sound system is if not the best, in the top three of any sound system.
e) It's very low profile and has small touches which make it nice.
Also I prefer the smooth leather of Lexus's versus the grainy / bumpy of BMW and Mercedes (but I think if you get the Nappa leather option, you get the smooth leather).
For the average person, I think the cars are interchangeable. For those of us with more discrete tastes, each and every car has it's advantages and disadvantages.
It's very tight security from what I've heard at the Lexus paint plants as well.
Compared to Corolla or Camry which is significantly less.
Personally I have a 2005 LS430 as a daily driver for a few explicit reasons
a) Consistently reliable
b) Cheap maintenance. I can use Toyota parts.
c) It's fairly quick compared to less expensive sports cars.
d) Mark Levinson sound system is if not the best, in the top three of any sound system.
e) It's very low profile and has small touches which make it nice.
Also I prefer the smooth leather of Lexus's versus the grainy / bumpy of BMW and Mercedes (but I think if you get the Nappa leather option, you get the smooth leather).
For the average person, I think the cars are interchangeable. For those of us with more discrete tastes, each and every car has it's advantages and disadvantages.
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I am surprised to hear that you are disappointed with the paint quality on your Mercedes. I have always noticed that modern Mercedes have a special shine to them, and I learned that it is the nano technology in the clear coat that does this as well as increase the scratch resistance.
Yes. The paint is great as this is the first and only black car I've ever seen/had that doesn't leave swirl marks. I don't know what they've done, but it is extremely scratch/swirl resistant.
Also, after looking at that picture above of the Maybach, I have to believe that other than a Citroen of the '60s and 70's, it is the ugliest car ever designed.
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If you look on the doorjam of a Mercedes, it'll have the paint code (for example, 040). If it also has a C (like 040C) that means it has the ceramic clear coat which is a lot tougher and is more resistant to scratches.
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Regarding the paint, it is extremely nice, and yes, very swirl resistant, just not the best I've seen in flat black. The only problem I have with it is the extensive orange peel texturing. Fortunately, this is visible only under intense lighting and from very close distance; it certainly doesn't detract from the beauty of the car at any useful distance.
Also, my observation is restricted to non-metallic paints only. With the metallics, especially silver and pewter, I think Mercedes is the best of the best and does indeed have a special shine.
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Also, my observation is restricted to non-metallic paints only. With the metallics, especially silver and pewter, I think Mercedes is the best of the best and does indeed have a special shine.
Paul
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Yes. The paint is great as this is the first and only black car I've ever seen/had that doesn't leave swirl marks. I don't know what they've done, but it is extremely scratch/swirl resistant.
Also, after looking at that picture above of the Maybach, I have to believe that other than a Citroen of the '60s and 70's, it is the ugliest car ever designed.
Also, after looking at that picture above of the Maybach, I have to believe that other than a Citroen of the '60s and 70's, it is the ugliest car ever designed.
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/mayb...y-new-57s.html
