Parts for adding integrated Nokia 6310i
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Parts for adding integrated Nokia 6310i
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In Europe we have Nokia 6310i as integrated phone now - this is a tri-band GSM phone, so will work on the US GSM networks that operate at 1900mhz (the ones where you get a little sim card for the phone). Any Nokia 6310i will work, not a special MB modified one (you v4.07 s/w onward, do *#0000# to check)
To retrofit or upgrade this to your car, INCLUDING US cars, you need :-
Wiring loom - depends on car, not needed on US cars (pre-wired), or on cars with existing Nokia 6150 installation.
Control Unit A203 820 25 85 (do not buy 203 820 99 26 as it wont work with 6310/6310i)
Resistive/DC filter A203 820 55 15
E-Net compensator (GSM1800 booster), A203 820 39 26
The resistive dc filter goes on the aerial cable (phone side) before the compensator. You dont need the compensator if you are not going to use GSM1800. If you are in the US, you can either ignore the compensator (and connect the aerial wires together via the restive dc filter). you should really get a GSM1900 compensator from your MB dealer and make the appropriate power connections to it, but it doesnt make a big difference- If you are in Europe and only use GSM900 then dont need the compensator either)
Then you need the cradle. Your dealer should be able to find the parts, but for instance: -
C (W203) with phone in center console glovebox :-
Bracket A203 820 06 51
Clip A203 823 00 60
Cover A203 823 03 49 (covers cables)
2*Screws A140 990 06 22
Cable (probably not needed for USA) - see dealer
In Europe we have Nokia 6310i as integrated phone now - this is a tri-band GSM phone, so will work on the US GSM networks that operate at 1900mhz (the ones where you get a little sim card for the phone). Any Nokia 6310i will work, not a special MB modified one (you v4.07 s/w onward, do *#0000# to check)
To retrofit or upgrade this to your car, INCLUDING US cars, you need :-
Wiring loom - depends on car, not needed on US cars (pre-wired), or on cars with existing Nokia 6150 installation.
Control Unit A203 820 25 85 (do not buy 203 820 99 26 as it wont work with 6310/6310i)
Resistive/DC filter A203 820 55 15
E-Net compensator (GSM1800 booster), A203 820 39 26
The resistive dc filter goes on the aerial cable (phone side) before the compensator. You dont need the compensator if you are not going to use GSM1800. If you are in the US, you can either ignore the compensator (and connect the aerial wires together via the restive dc filter). you should really get a GSM1900 compensator from your MB dealer and make the appropriate power connections to it, but it doesnt make a big difference- If you are in Europe and only use GSM900 then dont need the compensator either)
Then you need the cradle. Your dealer should be able to find the parts, but for instance: -
C (W203) with phone in center console glovebox :-
Bracket A203 820 06 51
Clip A203 823 00 60
Cover A203 823 03 49 (covers cables)
2*Screws A140 990 06 22
Cable (probably not needed for USA) - see dealer
Last edited by Richard; Sep 7, 2002 at 06:48 AM.
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Hey Richard,
I checked both part numbers for the Control Unit and they both don't exist. I assume its not in stock yet as its too early. I'll wait it out until more people attempt at it.
I was reading about the 6310i and the nokia website said "And with its built-in Bluetooth, you can connect with a compatible PC, headset or car kit without any cables." Do you think MB will make a kit where a cradle isn't needed anymore and the phone can connect to the car even if its in your pocket? If theyr'e able to do that then that feature/option would rank up there with the keyless go.
I checked both part numbers for the Control Unit and they both don't exist. I assume its not in stock yet as its too early. I'll wait it out until more people attempt at it.
I was reading about the 6310i and the nokia website said "And with its built-in Bluetooth, you can connect with a compatible PC, headset or car kit without any cables." Do you think MB will make a kit where a cradle isn't needed anymore and the phone can connect to the car even if its in your pocket? If theyr'e able to do that then that feature/option would rank up there with the keyless go.
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Hi,
The parts number is definetly 203 820 25 85 - I bought one a few weeks ago (and just looked at it to check).
The 99 26 part has been around for over a year ...
I suspect your US dealer doesnt know how to request parts that havent been sold in the US before ...
- As to fully integrated blue tooth stuff, ive seen evidence that its planned for the new E class, so I presume will role out with the COMAND-II system at some point. I doubt they'll ever bother to develop it for the current range of head-units since they are doing a technology shift from D2B fibre optic interconnect between all the bits of the stereo to MOST (a completely different system)
Cheers
R
The parts number is definetly 203 820 25 85 - I bought one a few weeks ago (and just looked at it to check).
The 99 26 part has been around for over a year ...
I suspect your US dealer doesnt know how to request parts that havent been sold in the US before ...
- As to fully integrated blue tooth stuff, ive seen evidence that its planned for the new E class, so I presume will role out with the COMAND-II system at some point. I doubt they'll ever bother to develop it for the current range of head-units since they are doing a technology shift from D2B fibre optic interconnect between all the bits of the stereo to MOST (a completely different system)
Cheers
R
Originally posted by funky102
Hey Richard,
I checked both part numbers for the Control Unit and they both don't exist. I assume its not in stock yet as its too early. I'll wait it out until more people attempt at it.
I was reading about the 6310i and the nokia website said "And with its built-in Bluetooth, you can connect with a compatible PC, headset or car kit without any cables." Do you think MB will make a kit where a cradle isn't needed anymore and the phone can connect to the car even if its in your pocket? If theyr'e able to do that then that feature/option would rank up there with the keyless go.
Hey Richard,
I checked both part numbers for the Control Unit and they both don't exist. I assume its not in stock yet as its too early. I'll wait it out until more people attempt at it.
I was reading about the 6310i and the nokia website said "And with its built-in Bluetooth, you can connect with a compatible PC, headset or car kit without any cables." Do you think MB will make a kit where a cradle isn't needed anymore and the phone can connect to the car even if its in your pocket? If theyr'e able to do that then that feature/option would rank up there with the keyless go.
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Part Number, Prices and Potential Source
I purchased a magazine entitled, Mercedes enthusiast (September 2002), and sent an email to a parts dealer in Berlin, Germany, Speed Autotiele asking for prices on parts that Richard listed in the above email. Those prices are as follows (and I assume that the commas should actually be periods):
Control Unit A203 820 25 85 >> 213,20
Resistive/DC filter A203 820 55 15 >> 10,50
E-Net compensator (GSM1800 booster), A203 820 39 26 >> 212,10
Nokia 6310 cradle for a C240 2002 (they didn't provide a price or a part number, Richard, do you know what the part number is and approximately how much it should cost?)
Bracket A203 820 06 51 >> 108,60
Clip A203 823 00 60 >> 0,90
Cover A203 823 03 49 (covers cables) >> 1,00
2*Screws A140 990 06 22 0,20
Cable (probably not needed for USA because Mercedes are pre-wired here)
Richard, do you know what the part number is and approximately how much it should cost?) It is possible that the price included for the Bracket should have been for the cradle(?). Seems like a lot of money for a bracket, doesn't it?
Minus the phone cradle and the phone, the total cost in US dollars of the parts is $546.50.
I have no idea what kind of discount, if any, that those prices reflect, however, installing the European parts would appear to be far more cost effective than the Mercedes V60 integrated phone system. Richard, do those prices compare with what you know them to be?
Thanks!
Control Unit A203 820 25 85 >> 213,20
Resistive/DC filter A203 820 55 15 >> 10,50
E-Net compensator (GSM1800 booster), A203 820 39 26 >> 212,10
Nokia 6310 cradle for a C240 2002 (they didn't provide a price or a part number, Richard, do you know what the part number is and approximately how much it should cost?)
Bracket A203 820 06 51 >> 108,60
Clip A203 823 00 60 >> 0,90
Cover A203 823 03 49 (covers cables) >> 1,00
2*Screws A140 990 06 22 0,20
Cable (probably not needed for USA because Mercedes are pre-wired here)
Richard, do you know what the part number is and approximately how much it should cost?) It is possible that the price included for the Bracket should have been for the cradle(?). Seems like a lot of money for a bracket, doesn't it?
Minus the phone cradle and the phone, the total cost in US dollars of the parts is $546.50.
I have no idea what kind of discount, if any, that those prices reflect, however, installing the European parts would appear to be far more cost effective than the Mercedes V60 integrated phone system. Richard, do those prices compare with what you know them to be?
Thanks!
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The bracket is the cradle. Sorry, my original posting should have called it cradle not bracket !
That pricing looks good compared to UK pricing - I imagine it is in Euros, which puts it below UK pricing. (but euros almost same as dollars)
If i were you, Im not convinced I'd buy the GSM1800 booster, because it probably wont make a good job of boosting GSM1900.
- Id try and get the GSM1900 booster used on US sets and make up the wiring adapter. The booster has aerial-in aerial-out (and you'll need some converter plugs), and a +, - and switch-on feed.
I expect you'll actually find it works fine without the booster, ie with just the filter in-line
Cheers
R
The bracket is the cradle. Sorry, my original posting should have called it cradle not bracket !
That pricing looks good compared to UK pricing - I imagine it is in Euros, which puts it below UK pricing. (but euros almost same as dollars)
If i were you, Im not convinced I'd buy the GSM1800 booster, because it probably wont make a good job of boosting GSM1900.
- Id try and get the GSM1900 booster used on US sets and make up the wiring adapter. The booster has aerial-in aerial-out (and you'll need some converter plugs), and a +, - and switch-on feed.
I expect you'll actually find it works fine without the booster, ie with just the filter in-line
Cheers
R
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Originally posted by Richard
Hi
The bracket is the cradle. Sorry, my original posting should have called it cradle not bracket !
That pricing looks good compared to UK pricing - I imagine it is in Euros, which puts it below UK pricing. (but euros almost same as dollars)
If i were you, Im not convinced I'd buy the GSM1800 booster, because it probably wont make a good job of boosting GSM1900.
- Id try and get the GSM1900 booster used on US sets and make up the wiring adapter. The booster has aerial-in aerial-out (and you'll need some converter plugs), and a +, - and switch-on feed.
I expect you'll actually find it works fine without the booster, ie with just the filter in-line
Cheers
R
Hi
The bracket is the cradle. Sorry, my original posting should have called it cradle not bracket !
That pricing looks good compared to UK pricing - I imagine it is in Euros, which puts it below UK pricing. (but euros almost same as dollars)
If i were you, Im not convinced I'd buy the GSM1800 booster, because it probably wont make a good job of boosting GSM1900.
- Id try and get the GSM1900 booster used on US sets and make up the wiring adapter. The booster has aerial-in aerial-out (and you'll need some converter plugs), and a +, - and switch-on feed.
I expect you'll actually find it works fine without the booster, ie with just the filter in-line
Cheers
R
Richard, if I purchase all of the parts listed above, install them in the trunk, and in the center console (with a 6310 with say a Cingular Wireless SIM card), will I have a working phone system? Or does a Mercedes dealer need to do specific software modifications so that the phone system will work? Also, suppose I also wanted to have voice recognition, or what I think you call, Linguatronic installed in my car. If I order the part numbers listed on your web page -- http://www.ibex.co.uk/mbstuff/Adding%20Linguatronic.htm -- is all I need to do is have those parts installed (I'd probably want a different part number than 220 820 77 26 1 which you say is "...for UK English) and I would be "good to go?"
Thanks.
Last edited by rgleason; Sep 9, 2002 at 10:39 AM.
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You will need to make sure that the D2B loop is correctly configured (which may mean moving some fibre optic cables around)(or adding a short section of fibre and a connector)
After that It should just work, although at some point you should get the dealer to tell the COMAND that it has the phone. (otherwise comand builds up errors over time, and may do odd stuff)
(I suggest you open up the compartment under the trunk carpet, and takes some photos and put them here) Look for the D2B cable, and see if there are any spare connectors around there. If not, you will need to get a short section of fibre and the connector - i'll find out the part numbers for you) Also, you should find a 25 way D-Type, and the two coax cables for the aerial.
(parallel ports on PCs are 25 way D-type) (car is female, cant remember about a PC)
Im pretty sure thats all the parts you need for the C class, you may be short of screws etc, but I guess thats easy to buy locally.
(in fact even the fibre stuff you can order from your local dealer)
As for voice recognition, you should just buy the kit from the US dealer. I dont know where the control unit goes, I suspect near the phone unit, and it plugs in with a 15 way d-type, and the fibre optics. Also, you then just plug the lever into the hole oposite the cruise lever on your dash.
- Again, the dealer should tell the stereo it exists sometime.
The VR can be used without the phone installed, then you get to do radio things via voice only. Buying the VR kit will show you all the pieces of fibre etc you may need to get extra ones for !
Cheers
Richard
You will need to make sure that the D2B loop is correctly configured (which may mean moving some fibre optic cables around)(or adding a short section of fibre and a connector)
After that It should just work, although at some point you should get the dealer to tell the COMAND that it has the phone. (otherwise comand builds up errors over time, and may do odd stuff)
(I suggest you open up the compartment under the trunk carpet, and takes some photos and put them here) Look for the D2B cable, and see if there are any spare connectors around there. If not, you will need to get a short section of fibre and the connector - i'll find out the part numbers for you) Also, you should find a 25 way D-Type, and the two coax cables for the aerial.
(parallel ports on PCs are 25 way D-type) (car is female, cant remember about a PC)
Im pretty sure thats all the parts you need for the C class, you may be short of screws etc, but I guess thats easy to buy locally.
(in fact even the fibre stuff you can order from your local dealer)
As for voice recognition, you should just buy the kit from the US dealer. I dont know where the control unit goes, I suspect near the phone unit, and it plugs in with a 15 way d-type, and the fibre optics. Also, you then just plug the lever into the hole oposite the cruise lever on your dash.
- Again, the dealer should tell the stereo it exists sometime.
The VR can be used without the phone installed, then you get to do radio things via voice only. Buying the VR kit will show you all the pieces of fibre etc you may need to get extra ones for !
Cheers
Richard
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Re: Part Number, Prices and Potential Source
Originally posted by rgleason
Minus the phone cradle and the phone, the total cost in US dollars of the parts is $546.50.
Thanks!
Minus the phone cradle and the phone, the total cost in US dollars of the parts is $546.50.
Thanks!
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Re: Re: Part Number, Prices and Potential Source
Originally posted by funky102
I feel like a group buy coming up. Anyone else interested?
I feel like a group buy coming up. Anyone else interested?
Question, does doing a group buy necessarily give you a better price? If it does, and people want to explore it, I'll be happy to explore the possibility with the people at the German parts dealership. I'd like to communicate first with someone that has done a group buy before, however, so that I have a paradigm to follow.
Dick
Last edited by rgleason; Sep 9, 2002 at 03:56 PM.
