DamnLeftLaneHog

Do you have a K40 radar detector and lidar jammer installed on your car? Would you like to know if it really works as advertised? Well here is your chance. Between my friends and I, we own EVERY SINGLE LIDAR GUN that is currently being used in the United States. We will test your lidar jammer and radar detector setup FREE OF CHARGE. All we ask is that you report here whatever the results may be. Good or bad. Also, if any members have other lidar jammers installed on their vehicles, you are also welcome to come and have them tested, FREE OF CHARGE. Please contact me via pm if you have any questions or are interested.

jbondox

singling out K40 are you? Wow, is this your agenda? Did K40 personally wrong you somewhere?

See the thing is we all have options and opinions but unfortunately for you, most people on the MB Forums are leaders, not followers as with your radar forums. We can really read through the BS.

You have a personal agenda to slander any product that is not LI, but in this post, you solely in the topic header mentioned K40. Now I am not a lawyer, but I am pretty sure your post would make a great slander and defamation lawsuit. I would really love to have K40 chime in, though they take the high road more often than not. Just in case I will forward this to them anyways..

Also, seeing you're pretty much immature, but to have any real credibility please list your professional credentials of properly being trained by a Law Enforcement Institution in each and every state you plan on testing for each and every gun you will be testing with. Wouldn't you post them if you were professional to begin with? Wait, we all know the answer to that...

Go make some more YouTube videos, thankfully you are doing that then reproducing

DamnLeftLaneHog

I'll try and answer each of your questions. Something you have been failing to do.
1. No, I am not singling out K40. In fact, in my OP I welcomed all members with jammers, not just K40 users.

2. No K40 did not do anything to me. I have never dealt with them, only have seen their product fail time and time again.

3. Yes, we all have options. Yet you vigorously push the K40 as the absolute best, b/c it is fact that your profit margin as a dealer is greatest with the K40.

4. I have no personal agenda to slander any product. If you are speaking the truth, it is not slander.

5. Yes, its obvious you are not an attorney, because if you were one, you'd know you have no grounds for a defamation lawsuit. That's actually pretty comical that you bring that up. I on the other hand am surrounded by attorneys. I hope you do direct K40 to this thread. Perhaps they would be interested in coming out to the free testing we are offering. It would great to meet them and discuss how they can make their profit better.

6. Immature? How did you come to that conclusion? I have been respectful, while you have been very defensive and vague with your responses. I think others can see who is getting emotional about this. We just want to open the publics eyes, but you are trying to suppress that. If you were confident that what we speak of is false, you would be willing to stick it to us by proving it. However, you continue to dodge the offer to test, b/c you know we are right.

7. I have never been trained by any Law Enforcement Agency. However, these are the lidar guns we have access to, and all have shot thousands of times. I am confident in saying that we can shoot lidar just as well, if not better than the average LEO. "Its not that hard afterall"

8. List of lidar guns at our disposal, as follows.
-Kustom Pro Laser 2, 3, and 4.
-ProLite+
- LTI Ultralyte LRB (This is a deadly gun, even for the best jammers)
-Ultralyte 100 and 100 LR (LR stands for Long Range)
-TruSpeed and Truspeed LR
-TruSpeed S
-LTI Marksman
-Stalker LR
-Laser Ally
-Laser Atlanta

We have members all over the US and in fact, around the world. Chances are if you need testing, we have a member near you, and the equipment to test with.

Your last comment shows who the immature one is.

DamnLeftLaneHog

Thanks to those who have pm'ed so far. We still have a few slots open. The time frame we are looking at is the end of July, beginning of August. For those that live in the same state as I do, I and a few others are willing to meet up with you prior to the meet if you'd like.

Atticuss

I don't understand what you have against all of us. When you have no intelligent response (probably because you are unintelligent), you result to insults and name calling. I feel so bad for all your customers and anyone who does business with you. We present you evidence, data, real world testing to show we have experience and are knowledgeable of this topic, yet you respond with derogatory posts. Just for your information, that majority of us posting (Keeprt, LeftLane, myself) are very successful, properly educated people, with 1 or more degrees, with very solid careers. Our interest in countermeasures is solely a hobby we enjoy, which we make 0 profit off of; it's actually the complete opposite. We spend thousands of dollars on guns, jammers, detectors to test and take our own time and money to provide free and legitimate information to the general public. And all you have 0 respect for that.

You sir, disgust me and I pity all that come into contact with you for "professional advice".

jbondox

Don't go away mad... just go away.

For all your education stroking, you haven't noticed the obvious of us/myself ignoring you? I was pm'd by several to just not respond to you.

You would argue with a stop sign!

What amused me, and was pointed out by another, is why you insist I use the product, though LI doesn't sell to dealers? Also, I know it is going to be hard to digest with your degrees, but this world doesn't operate on a non-profit status.

You mention that K40 is some great money maker for car dealers and audio shops. (Escort is more profitable)

I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you, as I am sure this might tax your know-it-all ego, but radar detectors are not the core business, nor the money maker you say they are... there is more money in window tint and clear bra protection.

Please quit pretending you know anything about my business or how it operates.

I think the biggest turn off by you people is that you get all pissy when we don't take you serious, then flock to a post and try beating everyone into submission.

Please understand this, and with complete sincerity I am going to tell you this as nicely as possible. You, and your friends are not certified by any state to operate the laser gun in a law enforcement capacity. You further are not a certified testing facility. I understand this is your hobby, which is great, but you are trying to operate the laser gun in a capacity it really isn't going to be operated in by a LEO. I am sure you can run the gun better than them, probably even know more.

Also, when you are testing, you are testing on 1 vehicle. A LEO isn't looking for 1 vehicle, they usually have a whole traffic flow of vehicles, which turns into a game of zapping vehicles like a video game until they get some poor guy/gal hauling ****.

So I am asking you nicely, to grow up!

Please don't respond publicly to me either, I am hitting the ignore button so I can't see your posts anymore. Like the other post that was closed, there is nothing constructive anymore in this post.

Feel free to PM, email, or call me at you convenience if you insist on arguing more about it. I will hand the phone to my 6 year old who knows everything and you can tell her.

Atticuss

I sincerely feel bad for your children. People of your arrogance should not be allowed to reproduce, never mind raise a child.

alx

i love those topics

now... why somebody would need to be "properly trained" to asses the effectiveness of a jammer? what is the worst that can happen by improperly using a laser gun? not register speed? more power to the jammer in that case .

on the other hand, there are very very few non-k40 tests out there so i think the more- the better.

now, i have k40 calibre with ex defusers in two of my vehicles. it is an average in sensitivity radar and laser detector combined with barely functional laser jammer. have i gotten tickets from cops with laser guns? sure. are they bad detectors/ jammers? no, not really. they do a decent job and are less intrusive than say a v1. is a v1 better/ more sensitive? absolutely. but it is annoyingly so.

this is my personal experience and yours might vary.

it is always amazing how some people get their panties in a twist in a hurry when they hear "k40"...

val69

Keep the party going!

AVB-AMG

I stumbled upon this thread and had to chuckle....

Three years ago I had a rather long winded back-and-forth "discussion" about K40 vs Escort Passport 9500ci systems with Jbondox, since I had used both. For me, the challenge and ultimate frustration that became rather exasperating was his lack of empathy and ability to understand, accept and respect someone's opinion if it differed from his own. His reasoning was not always logical, but he was polite, thoughtful and presented a different perspective that I appreciated, as I tried to be and do. Ultimately, we rested our thread, agreeing on some points and not on others.
I find it rather sad, now, three years later, that his posts in this thread are unfortunately very accusatory, mean spirited and borderline delusional about the same topic. Maybe he was having a bad week or two, who knows....?
No radar/laser detector devices are perfect, yet I give more credence to real life experience that artificial tests. I have been impressed wih the technological advances that Escort has brought to the market in the past 36 months and cannot say the same about K40, which in my opinion, has been relying on its previously good reputation for way too long with no real new advances.

Now that I am in the market for another vehicle I have asked my friends that run my local M-B and BMW Dealerships about how many of these type of stealth systems they are asked to install or refer to a third party installer and they both said that it is a minor request. But I was interested to learn that they will refer them to explore and seriously consider the Escort systems only and no longer recommend K40 due to their "just average" test and real life results, compared to the Escort. I am not a radar/laser detector Dealer/Installer. I am just a automobile enthusiast who has used both of these systems in my vehicles and as a result, in 2009, removed the K40 system from my 2007 M-B ML63 AMG and had an Escort Passport 9500ci installed. It has served me quite well to this day and has easily paid for itself several times over in the ensuing time period.

For your entertainment if you are interested, here is the link to the back-and-forth between myself and jbondox from 2009 in another MBWorld.org forum:

https://mbworld.org/forums/audio-ele...xperience.html

Whatever system you decide to buy and use, I suggest that you appreciate it as just one helpful tool to alert you to the likely presence of a LEO nearby, check your vehicle's speed and react accordingly, to ultimately help you avoid expensive moving violation tickets, while still realizing that you are not immune to being detected at some point.

AVB-AMG

DamnLeftLaneHog

Very well said sir. If you need any lidar testing done, please pm me and we will provide it free of charge. That goes to anyone else who wish to have their systems tested. Most recently, we've been contacted by a member in GA, and arrangements are being made. Hopefully he will post about his experience here afterwards.

JDS2K

Hey guys, I'm new to this forum, but i've been some research for good (Functional & Reliable) Radar Detector & Laser Jammer. Can you guys give me feedback/opinions on your encounters, thanks.

jbondox

welllll.......

escort is very good now, 9500ix, 9500ci, or max, with the new laser pro shifters from escort. k40 doesnt work in my area. there is a write up here http://www.access1alarm.com/products/radar-detectors that is spot on in our area. This guy is a great friend of mine and does many.

JDS2K

Thanks alot buddy, I think Escort is the way, that's where I will invest my $$$.

thanks again, bud.

KeepRtPassLeft

You should look at the Beltronics STiR+. Beltronics is a subsidiary of Escort. It performs better then the escort 9500.

As far as laser jammers check out the AntiLaser Priority. It has much smaller jammer heads then the Escort which allows them to be installed with less impact on the esthetics of the car. They also preform much better then the Escort and Laser Interceptor jammers. The AntiLaser Priority is the only laser jammer to jam the Dragon Eye Compact. The Escort and Laser Interceptor do not jam the Stalker XLR while the AntiLaser Priority does.

JDS2K

Thanks soo much bud, im going to check it out right now. I really do appreciate the info & feedback, thanks again.

jbondox

KeepRTpassLT, isnt that your company or you have something to do with it? I think, as in I am not sure, but someone at K40 said you do. I really don't care but maybe you could shed some light on the history and technology of the company. such as what separates yours and Cliff's.

Also on a professional note, I would always go with the Escort over any other laser jammer system out there. They have great customer service and also offer upgrades. I can't speak for AL, maybe Keep RTpassLT. can elaborate their warranty and service upgrades. also as for jamming the new guns, they are few and far from heavily saturated in the law enforcement community.

The STIR and Passport are the same equipment from the same manufacturer, I had this discussion a year ago with Escort. nothing is different, according to them. The price is however... though the custom installed is not the installed price.

KeepRtPassLeft

It isn't my company. I am not employed by them. I have not received any compensation from AntiLaser or any of their distributors or dealers.

The current Laser Interceptor was created by a former engineer at AntiLaser. The current Escort laser shifter system is the same system as the Laser Interceptor.

I currently own five Laser Interceptor systems and have been swapping them out for the AntiLaser Priority. As stated in their literature that accompanies the AntiLaser Priority, they warranty their products for two years. AntiLaser has been in continuous operation for more than 10 years. Although they are new in the US, they have a proven track record for producing quality laser jammers and providing excellent support and firmware updatesIn Canada, Europe, Asia and Austrslia. Since their entry into the US market they have taken the lead on timely and effective firmware updates to protect their US customers from the newest LIDAR gun threats and their newest firmwares.

AntiLaser is the only laser jammer manufacturer that has been able to detect and jam the DragonEye Compact LIDAR. Prior to the introduction of the AntiLaser Priority, Cliff Crane the US distributor for Laser Interceptor posted on RDF.org that the DragonEye Compact LIDAR is not jammable. Laser Interceptor has had a DragonEye Compact for more than a year. I have personally lent Laser Interceptor a number of my LIDAR guns at no cost including LIDARS made by DragonEye Technology to help LI defeat theseLIDARS.

The Escort, LI and Blinder laser jammers utilize a lookup table to jam LIDAR guns. They way this works is that these laser jammers look for specific pulse rates of known LIDAR guns and when they detect these pulse rates the laser jammer transmits laser pulse pattern as written into the laser jammers firmware. Depending on what LIDAR pattern is detected the same jamming pattern is transmitted by the jammer. Up until recently all LIDAR guns in the US had a fixed pulse rate of equal duration pulses, pulsed at a specific interval. With the release of the DragonEye (formerly Digital Ally Laser Ally), a variable pulse rate was introduced. DragonEye released different firmwares, some with different variable pulse patterns (repeatable pulse patterns) to fool the Laser Jammers. Each new variable pattern needed new firmware to detect the new pattern and a new jamming pulse pattern that had to be added onto the laser jammer's firmware. For those who remember the computer language BASIC, these last jammer firmwares is a bunch of if...then instructions.

The DragonEye Compact is not a variable pulse rate LIDAR but has a random pulse rate. Look up tables are not effective in jamming random pulse rates. AntiLaser through its hardware and firmware uses a different technique than the other manufactures including the LIDATEK LE10 to effectively jam the LIDAR guns.

Due to the very low cost of the newer LIDAR guns, and the large amount of revenue that they can generate are rapidly being deployed. The newest LIDARS have forced Kustom Radar to reduce the cost of their LIDAR guns (which used to be the most popular in law enforcement) by more than $1,000 per LIDAR. Stalker was forced to develop the X series LIDAR which is much smaller, lighter and easier to use then their previous LIDAR guns. LTI has made many significant changes and added many features to keep their products competitive.

Because the basic architecture and components of the Escort and LI laser jammers are about seven years old, although there have been some minor upgrades along the way, I don't think that they have the ability to jam all of the newest LIDARS and their firmwares. AntiLaser had made some predictions about future changes in upcoming LIDAR gun technology to enable their current hardware to work against what is now the current generation of LIDAR guns and the next generation. Escort went after and is now selling old technology.

As far as the 9500ci and the STiR+ they are similar, but not identical. Their components can not be interchanged; ie swapping radar antennae, control interfaces, or displays, without modification. The key user settings that the Beltornics STiR+ has that the Escort 9500ci does not have that greatly improves radar detector performance is the ability to turn Radar Detector Rejection (RDR) off and band segment (BS) Ka band. If you go on Escort Radar's forum there is a lot of information there about this topic.

JB, I was shocked to see that you are no longer recommending K40. What happened?

jbondox

Thanks for the reply. Due to the radar drones up here, it will go off every mile, and is annoying as hell, you would have to turn K band off which is 90% of the guns here, due to foul weather and cheap departments because the cities are so broke... there isn't a radar detector on the planet that would be effective here if it didn't have the auto learn false alarms and GPS mark out. its pretty messed up.

Plus I believe K40 and Escort went at legally regarding the GPS, I think K40 claimed victory but the new model came with no mark to not warn anymore... so i think that Esort really won that battle. K40 is a great system, just not here... I seen that they also jam one of the newer laser guns also in some media blast I seen awhile ago, however they are not upgradeable with software, which is another short coming of the K40.

I probably did a 1 for 1 in the past for K40 and Escort 9500ci's, and have much experience with the laser and radar in my area as the local LEO's would look for me... it was a game between us, and I think the jackpot was climbing if they got me... remember, if the client would have any doubt I would take them on the gauntlet run with me driving... I could hit 2 cities in a matter of minutes that would run laser.

Also the red light cameras got out of control here which K40 has no answer for built in. Escort again wins that hands down.

So there ya go...

KeepRtPassLeft

It isn't Escort's GPS lockouts that is silencing the K band traffic sensors but a filtering program called TSR (traffic sensor rejection) in the current escort and Beltonics radar detectors that suppress the false alerts. Valentine 1 has a filtering program called Traffic Monitor Filter that works similarly to the Escort filter. Both of these filters also help to reduce false alerts from blind spot monitoring systems.

jbondox

TSR doesn't work on these, call escort... as I said it was the GPS... not my first day

Zax63

I have a blinder m47 setup on my s65, from what you are saying it is mostly useless? I don't see much mention of the blinder 905 above, does that have the capacity to jam dragoneye? Thanks. Z

KeepRtPassLeft

The Blinder M47 doesn't jam DragonEye, LTI Truspeed S, Stalker XLR. The HP905 will jam the early DragonEye versions which were marketed as the Laser Ally, LTI Truspeed S and the early version of the stalker XLR.