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Question about Retrofit C63 or E63 AMG cluster speedometer to C250 coupe
I have question regarding retrofit C63 AMG cluster to my C250 coupe, especially about minor stuff regarding customization
Do I need to source from cluster speedometer C63 AMG coupe C204 ?? or Can I just source from C63 AMG sedan W204 facelift, wagon S204 facelift or even E63 AMG W212 facelift ??
From search result in MB World forums, the conclusion is it's probably doable = some thread says it's PnP after virginized and decoding while some thread says it need swap to W204 housing if using cluster from E63 AMG W212 to C-class sedan W204
It's just that I want to know if the cluster can be customized / reprogrammed to show a proper correct unit car picture in menu (car unit usually shown in auto door locks and easy entrance menu).
For example, if I source and retrofit cluster speedometer from C63 AMG sedan or E63 AMG sedan, will the menu show unit picture of C-class sedan or E-class sedan instead of C-class coupe ?? or it can be customized to show Coupe unit in menu instead ??
* Might not be the same case as cluster speedometer, but previously I need to source rear spoiler from C63 AMG coupe from one of MB World user since sedan and coupe have slightly different shape of rear spoiler (due to to trunk shape if I'm not mistaken). So I want to make sure regarding case above before decide to purchase cluster speedometer to retrofit to my C250 coupe
The one from w212 is quite complicated to install. But you can easily install a used one from W/C/T204. If you find from Coupe it may be more easy as the Software will be directly compatible.
Anyway, IC204 AMG can be made Virgin, synchronize with the odometer, coded, programmed, Assyst writing, etc.
The one from w212 is quite complicated to install. But you can easily install a used one from W/C/T204. If you find from Coupe it may be more easy as the Software will be directly compatible.
Anyway, IC204 AMG can be made Virgin, synchronize with the odometer, coded, programmed, Assyst writing, etc.
thank you for your insight, honestly I still kinda tempted to buy cluster speedometer from E63 AMG W212 facelift, especially since from search result in this forum, it's doable (some user in here retrofit E63 AMG cluster into W204 sedan if I'm not wrong)
Also I kinda do quick search but somehow cluster speedometer from year 2012++ C63 AMG W204 / C204 / S204 all have same part number which is A2049005508 (any1 can confirm if it's full-color facelift cluster speedometer W204 ??). Somehow even both 200 MPH and 320 KMH version shared the same part number when I try to find the cluster. I might be wrong since it's not my area of expertise but it will be much more appreciated if some1 can confirm about this
if sedan, coupe and wagon all share the same part number for cluster speedometer, then I think the car unit image (usually car unit image shown in auto door lock menu) probably can be customized. It also will make buying much more easier since any cluster speedometer from W204, S204 and C204 can do and I don't need to source it specifically from C63 AMG C204
btw any idea which countries is the easiest to source C63 AMG 320 km/h kph cluster speedometer, since most are 200 mph version. I searched in this forum and some result says Canada, Australia and Germany but still kinda hard to find
Got E63 AMG W212 facelift speedometer and honestly I prefer the style of the speedometer rather than C63 AMG W204 facelift. Bring to Benz workshop to specialize in coding to retrofit it and turns out it can work just fine, just takes much more longer time since it's from E-class instead of C-class
you also need to change the very front housing cover (3 silver color dial front casing) from C-class W204 facelift since E-class W212 facelift 3 silver-color-dial front cover not fit at all. Just remove and swap that 3-silver-color-dial front cover, not the main cover that has part number sticker on it, so you don't need to crack / unseal the speedometer (unless something broken inside)
speedometer from E63 AMG W212 facelift retrofit to my C250 W204 coupe / C204 facelift turn out you can change the car image in the setting menu from E-class sedan to C-class coupe
Give it a test run for a week, so far so good (since the instrument cluster speedometer bought used and have some issues when we did a sweep test)
Here's the look of the speedometer inside C250 coupe C204 interior of C250 coupe C204 fitted with instrument cluster from E63 AMG W212 facelift
I can tell you with 100% certainty that a W212 E63S display will NOT work in a W212 E350 (E63 was 2013, E350 is 2011). The radio and things to the side, 100%. The cluster itself...did not operate. Every warning light was on and car would not start.
I can tell you with 100% certainty that a W212 E63S display will NOT work in a W212 E350 (E63 was 2013, E350 is 2011). The radio and things to the side, 100%. The cluster itself...did not operate. Every warning light was on and car would not start.
How come? Radio and things is quite the same not to mention cluster itself...
How come? Radio and things is quite the same not to mention cluster itself...
No idea. My only real concern was the calibration of the speed and I was not certain how that was going to work but as it turns out nothing worked so I unplugged it and put the original cluster back in and let it go. Someone probably can...but at what cost?
Yep that's why you need to reprogram / recoding all of it via Vediamo and update the firmware, I think the mechanic who did my car took like 3-4 hours since a lot need to be changed from E-class to C-class
If instrument cluster E63 AMG W212 facelift can be retrofitted to C-class W204 then it will be much easier to retrofitted it into E-class W212
in fact retrofitted TFT color display instrument cluster from facelift W204 / W212 (especially from C63 AMG and E63 AMG facelift) was really popular upgrade in here for PFL owner since monochrome black and white display makes the car really old look. That's why if the price of instrument cluster from W204 / W212 facelift was kinda cheap, then it will be snapped quickly by some PFL owner
it's also thanks from user in this forum who shared his retrofitted results, that we finally know it's possible to fitted instrument cluster from E-class W212 to C-class W204 vice versa
Calibration of speed only if you use KM/h cluster on a miles car,
yep this is right, that's why I used instrument cluster Km/H instead of MpH
I'm more concerned about anything broken inside instrument cluster, especially if it's used and cheap price. It also could be mishandled at shipping led to broken parts
in my case, when we did sweep test, the speed gauge itself was kinda stuck after going up, and stuck again can't go back to 0 after test was done. When we cracked the instrument cluster open, it seems the speed gauge gear was out of track which lead to stuck when did the sweep test
for now it's normal after we tested for 1 week, hopefully the speed gauge gear was not damaged at all
My concern was the same size and sweep in the 350 as 63....but 63 goes to i think 220.
size as in ?? if you mean the size of the speedo then it gonna fit as if PnP, especially if the cluster is from E-class and your car is also E-class
if calibration then just find the right cluster if you don't want to do extra coding for speed calibration. If your old cluster is using MPH then find E63 AMG cluster in MPH instead of KMH
just reminder you can't just plugged in the instrument cluster you want to fitted into your cars, either used or brand new cluster. You HAVE TO reprogram / recoding the cluster, especially if it's used cluster since it need to be virginized first
Sure you can just PnP just like what you did before, but it gonna throw lot of errors and can't run properly without reprogram / recoding to get old data from your old cluster into new cluster
This is what I mean by them needing to be calibrated. The E350 (below) goes to 160, the 63 goes to 200. If the calibration is based off of a percentage of the swing of the needle...80 some odd MPH would show as 100 on the AMG dial, based on where the needle sites (12 o'clock position). I may be 100% wrong. I know when I tried to swap it - it was a no-go and the car would not even turn over. Possibly a theft mode thing, I dont know.
Last edited by OldManAndHisCar; Oct 17, 2024 at 12:57 PM.
This is what I mean by them needing to be calibrated. The E350 (below) goes to 160, the 63 goes to 200. If the calibration is based off of a percentage of the swing of the needle...80 some odd MPH would show as 100 on the AMG dial, based on where the needle sites (12 o'clock position). I may be 100% wrong. I know when I tried to swap it - it was a no-go and the car would not even turn over. Possibly a theft mode thing, I dont know.
I don't think it's a big problem as long as you can get it reprogrammed / recoding and update to latest firmware I recently tested it again in Night cruise and my speedometer works just fine, just get yours reprogrammed / recoded
It's been a month and E63 AMG W212 facelift speedometer / instrument cluster still working just fine without any error after retrofitted to my C250 W204 coupe / C204
So far I like it, even more than C63 AMG W204 / C204 facelift due to similar rpm red-line between C250 and E63 AMG + better design
However I was planning to find and buy either Brabus or GSC speedometer / instrument cluster since IMO it's much more better compare to AMG but alas it's very hard to find
Perhaps some W204 / C204 owner from German can give me an information how to get these 2 ???
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