New Key Style for my C Class
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From: White Lake, MI
04 C320 Coupe MT
Originally Posted by Saprissa
hi Lowell,
i pulled a few invoices from over the past couple of years at MBSD.
MSRP price is actually called "LIST" price (or retail price).
Wholesale, i guess is called "NET" price
and i also believe there is an even lower price called "DEALER" price.
On average, the percentage difference from LIST to NET prices
is roughly 25.2%-26.3%
not sure why exactly the slight fluctuations, maybe it has something to do with US $ vs EURO values.
Recently I've gotten an additional 10% off with my MBCA membership.
Carlos
Saprissa@aol.com
i pulled a few invoices from over the past couple of years at MBSD.
MSRP price is actually called "LIST" price (or retail price).
Wholesale, i guess is called "NET" price
and i also believe there is an even lower price called "DEALER" price.
On average, the percentage difference from LIST to NET prices
is roughly 25.2%-26.3%
not sure why exactly the slight fluctuations, maybe it has something to do with US $ vs EURO values.
Recently I've gotten an additional 10% off with my MBCA membership.
Carlos
Saprissa@aol.com
You are correct that there are 3 levels of pricing, however the terminology is a little different. The levels are:
Suggested list
Wholesaler net
Dealer Net
Did you notice is says "suggested?" Like anything, it comes down to what they want to charge you. A good case in point - dealers aren't supposed to mark up special tools at all. All three price levels are the same, however most every dealer does mark tools up regardless. It's a shame that so many dealers are only out for a quick buck no matter what....
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Originally Posted by mbbodytech
Carlos,
You are correct that there are 3 levels of pricing, however the terminology is a little different. The levels are:
Suggested list
Wholesaler net
Dealer Net
Did you notice is says "suggested?" Like anything, it comes down to what they want to charge you. A good case in point - dealers aren't supposed to mark up special tools at all. All three price levels are the same, however most every dealer does mark tools up regardless. It's a shame that so many dealers are only out for a quick buck no matter what....
You are correct that there are 3 levels of pricing, however the terminology is a little different. The levels are:
Suggested list
Wholesaler net
Dealer Net
Did you notice is says "suggested?" Like anything, it comes down to what they want to charge you. A good case in point - dealers aren't supposed to mark up special tools at all. All three price levels are the same, however most every dealer does mark tools up regardless. It's a shame that so many dealers are only out for a quick buck no matter what....
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2002 C230 Coupe(M111)
Yeah, I'd be interested in a group buy, but its got to be a whole lot less than 256 bucks.
Who wants to bet the internals are identical...just a new shell.
Who wants to bet the internals are identical...just a new shell.
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Originally Posted by taylor192
LOL, I'm willing to bet its the same internals as our keys just in a new fancy case. Get a part number for just the case, not the key.
Repeat after me...MBUSA sucks. Love the car, hate the importer.
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Originally Posted by Outland
Yeah, I'd be interested in a group buy, but its got to be a whole lot less than 256 bucks.
Who wants to bet the internals are identical...just a new shell.
Who wants to bet the internals are identical...just a new shell.
By the way, the problem isn't MBUSA, it's the dealer. Dealers will charge whatever they want, because they can. That a bad part of the deal, but it is what it is.
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Originally Posted by Saprissa
I've got the 3-button FOBs for my Coupé. Had them swapped out under warranty about a year ago. The hatch button just unlocks the hatch; doesn't pop it up like the sedan trunk.
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2015 C350 Coupe
The hatch doesn't open with the 3rd button? WTF? Why bother then? Is this something that can be changed via programming like the door lock chirp?
How hard do I need to press on the blank 3rd button area to get it to unlock the hatch? My finger is starting to hurt and no red light blinking to indicate any thing pressed. Are you sure this works? If the button is there under the blank are a of the key, could I buy a key cover to get the button? what is the part number of the older style 3 button case?
How hard do I need to press on the blank 3rd button area to get it to unlock the hatch? My finger is starting to hurt and no red light blinking to indicate any thing pressed. Are you sure this works? If the button is there under the blank are a of the key, could I buy a key cover to get the button? what is the part number of the older style 3 button case?
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a key is a key, who gives a fork what it looks like? 
It's in your pocket all the time anyway right? Show me the person impressed by the outward appearance of a key, and I'll show you a sheltered, reclusive, bean bag.
It's in your pocket all the time anyway right? Show me the person impressed by the outward appearance of a key, and I'll show you a sheltered, reclusive, bean bag.
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Yes, keep pressing it until I tell you to stop, ok? 
Honestly, it should work for you, but I had to press VERY hard for it to work.
I'm not sure if the LED goes off or not when the hatch unlocks. I'd think that the latch mechanism does not facilitate the popping of the hatch, and probably with the weight of the ccoupe's hatch, it would require a fairly hefty actuator.
TR - my living room could use a bean bag. Please PM me the details. Thanks!
Honestly, it should work for you, but I had to press VERY hard for it to work.I'm not sure if the LED goes off or not when the hatch unlocks. I'd think that the latch mechanism does not facilitate the popping of the hatch, and probably with the weight of the ccoupe's hatch, it would require a fairly hefty actuator.
TR - my living room could use a bean bag. Please PM me the details. Thanks!
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Smartkey
You guys can try www.sunmotorcars.com in PA. Ask for Chris, he charged me $143 inclusive of shipping on a new smartkey with the blade insert. Tell him you saw this post, he'll work with you. Yes, you'll need to provide proof and ownership and identification to support your registration.
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DUDE YOU'RE FREAKING ME OUT MAN!!!
tuscanraider, that damn BK commercial scares me... If I ever saw that guy standing outside my window I would unload a whole 30 round clip of .223 on his ***... And then reload! Holy Crap!
tuscanraider, that damn BK commercial scares me... If I ever saw that guy standing outside my window I would unload a whole 30 round clip of .223 on his ***... And then reload! Holy Crap!
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LOL! Sorry! Cool key... My dealership is stupid! I think I know more than everyone there combined! So I dont think I'm even going to try asking them, they are gonna be like "HUhhhhh? EHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhh!" And then start hitting there head on the windows of the short yellow bus...
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To answer your question... Yes it can get alot more off topic! But I wont be an a$$hole and do it!
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To answer your question... Yes it can get alot more off topic! But I wont be an a$$hole and do it!
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1959 220S / 1979 230 G / 2002 A210 AMG / 2003 C320 SC / 2004.5 C320 SS / 2005 ML350 SE / 2008 smart
Originally Posted by BeaverMjr
The hatch doesn't open with the 3rd button? WTF? Why bother then? Is this something that can be changed via programming like the door lock chirp?
How hard do I need to press on the blank 3rd button area to get it to unlock the hatch? My finger is starting to hurt and no red light blinking to indicate any thing pressed. Are you sure this works? If the button is there under the blank are a of the key, could I buy a key cover to get the button? what is the part number of the older style 3 button case?
How hard do I need to press on the blank 3rd button area to get it to unlock the hatch? My finger is starting to hurt and no red light blinking to indicate any thing pressed. Are you sure this works? If the button is there under the blank are a of the key, could I buy a key cover to get the button? what is the part number of the older style 3 button case?
yes the hatch unlocks if you push the 3rd button on a replaced 3-button case. It will NOT pop up like the trunk on a sedan, it will merely unlock and pop it up just a little bit, so that with absolutely no effort or pulling on the handle, the hatch can be pulled up. If you want the hatch to pop up and smack you in the face, then i would suggest getting some compressed-air cylinders or springs to do a customized job.
If you're going to press on the blank part of where the 3rd button should be, you might need pliers, and end up breaking the FOB.
there's a way to get a 3-button FOB via warranty for your Coupé, if you're really interested, but since I've posted it so many times now.... i'll just let you search for it.
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2015 C350 Coupe
the blank button
I finally got the blank button area to compress. I had to use a pair of plyers. No I didn't breat the key housing. I wrapped the key in paper towels and squeesed gently. the hatch unlocked and the red light blinkled. That's cool but since the hatch does not open, i'm not going to worry about it. I think it would be great to get the keys swapped out under warranty. I couldn't find the posts explaoning how to do this. maybe my search criteria was not correct. maybe someone will pass along a link.
I did a search and found a company selling the 3 button keys cheep. they mentioned that I'd have to take them to a dealer to have them programmed. how much does that cost? is it worth it.
What exactly would I need to get the hatch to popup? If I could get it to popup, how much harder would it be to close?
I did a search and found a company selling the 3 button keys cheep. they mentioned that I'd have to take them to a dealer to have them programmed. how much does that cost? is it worth it.
What exactly would I need to get the hatch to popup? If I could get it to popup, how much harder would it be to close?
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Originally Posted by StapleGun
You guys can try www.sunmotorcars.com in PA. Ask for Chris, he charged me $143 inclusive of shipping on a new smartkey with the blade insert. Tell him you saw this post, he'll work with you. Yes, you'll need to provide proof and ownership and identification to support your registration.
called over there, Chris was gone for the day, and talked to his co-worker who claims to have 7 years experience there.. and he insisted that the new key is only on the 2007 ML.. and that if he ordered me a key (using my Vin) they would ship him the identical key to what I already have..
Anyway.. a group buy is the best solution I think if we can find a competent dealer who will insure that the replacement keys are not like the old ones. Count me in if we can do this.
