C180KsportP

Hi all,
I am new to this forum and found this is the best forum for MB.
U guys are great.

After reading tons of thread , I found a common point that some ppl thought Kleemann performance kit for M271 ,230 K is not worth the money they invest since only 20 HP increased.
But if for the same money or less, I put the kit to my C180 K , will ppl still think that it is not a good deal ? it's 50 more HP . ( where I live , Bangkok, THailand, 180K already cost me 70 G USD and 230 K is an other 15G )

And can anyone who had used kleemann perf. kit can share his/her opinion about the kit ? Does it cause any problem to the stock engine ,electronics.. etc ?? And what's really important to me does it cause a big noise ?


My 180 K is the sport pack I guess it's the evolution pack in the states . It comes with the sport suspension, three spoke steering wheel , alu linea aluminium trim 17 wheel etc..
Can any one tell me what really are these so called "sport suspension "

Thanks a lot for your opinions and personal experiences.

C180KsportP

While I was waiting for the first reply to my msg, I surfed the forum a bit more then found the topic about Evosport pulley.
Ppl mentioned that M271 C230 K was designed at its max performance.
So changing the crank pulley will stress the engine itself. To me , i think that's logical , it's just a matter of the time .
But if I put on the Kleemann perf kit to my C180 K it will reach 193 HP and it's same as the stock C230 K HP .
Does that mean that I am totally fine with the extra power I put on my car ? Since the engine itself,180K or 230 K, is the same. And i am just reaching the max HP of the OE design for this engine . So I should not be worring about excess work load for my engine and any other related components ?

Please correct me if I am wrong ..Tks

valdes

70 k what????????????????? that is us dollars???????

white_w203

it might be the country's luxury tax. for instance, philippines charges a 200 percent luxury car tax that brings the number extremely high.

mig888

I'm not EXACTLY sure the numbers for my Kleemann kit port over to the C180 perfectly.. but I see that if it does, for 50 more hp, why not, right? As far as the noise? Well the supercharger isn't subtle anymore (can hear a nice whine through the cabin, but not an annoying whine).

flip

C180KsportP

That's not so much of luxury tax .. but the import tax for automobiles / parts. And it is USD
That's crazy uh ? Miss the time when i was in LA .

C180KsportP

Thank you for the info
so how long have u installed the Kleemann to your car ? any thing went wrong because of the kit ?
I guess for 50 HP , I will certainly feel heck lot of difference then the Kit on 230 K...

benzmodz

I spoke to a senior mechanic who works on most of the engines in his dealership and he mentioned something to do with changing the supercharger.

Apparently the C180 and C230 use the same pistons but different supercharger. There is also some programming to do with the ECU.

I would assume that Kleeman is already aware of this difference.

C180KsportP

Looking for more coomments.
Please help .

mig888

Of course something went wrong. Apparently I now have a lead foot :\. As far as the programming in the ECU.. might want to ask for the specifics of the K-box and if an ECU flashing alternative would work better for you... didn't know it wasn't the same supercharger.

flip

C180KsportP

Lead foot? sorry about my understanding of the language . but what do u mean ?
so how many years that u had the kit intalled ?
And i think the K Box should work fine on 180 K , at least that's what it says on the Kleemann's website. They have the kit ready for sale , the K BOx should work , isnt it ?
Thanks

Zillarpillow23

Lead foot meaning his foot is so heavy that he can't lift it off the accelerator.
Lead foot as in points on his licence.
Lead foot as in late night munchy runs doing 135mph to the store just 3 blocks away.

Personally I think your better off installing a decent brabus exhaust and header. The money just isn't worth it for the low hp gain. I almost took my ride in for the Kleeman upgrade but I'm glad I didn't. I now look forward for a really nice exhaust kit like this one: https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w203/124992-new-mods-pictures.html.

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benzmodz

The gain is from 100Kw to 145Kw which is about 45% ... for an additional 100% spend I think the power can rise another 5Kw.

Once you reach 145KW the gains are all marginal. That Brabus kit sounds really neat.

C180KsportP

Lead FOOT KEEP IT Up.

THe money isnt worth it for the LOW hp Gain ???
http://www.kleemann.dk/site/Main/tun...erformancekits
It's from 143 HP - 193 HP . More then 30 % hp gain .


if only put on the Brabus exhaust w/o header , the difference in hp will be very small, I guess.
Besides, I dont think Brabus here is as cheap as in So Ca.

kyosho1

I chanced upon a used set of K-Box with pulley set for sale in a garage.
Are the K-Box the same for C180 and C230?
I have a C180 Kompressor and I understand that Kleemann does not have pulleys for C180, so I suspect the set belonged to either C200 or C230.
I am thinking of getting the used K-Box only?
I also understand that the K-Box is a plug and play. Do I have to have the ECU tuned by a Kleemann specialist or it is just simply a plug and play?
Thanks

C180KsportP

Can anyone answer this question ? ? I really want to add some powers to my car..but still want the engine to last long..
Cannt take it if i have to be smoked by accord 2.4

benzmodz

Some of us who have looked into it believe that the 180 engine and 230 engine share all components including pistons. The difference appears to be the ECU and supercharger.

As there are seemingly no countries where the C230 and C180 are in the same place at the same time we are relying on spare parts data to determine that the part numbers vary according to replacement parts.

The table is as follows
C180, C230 = same pistons
C180, C200 = same supercharger

Pulley kits are totally useless in these applications.

Zillarpillow23

Go to this thread: https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w203/126957-evosport-kleemann-pullies-c230k-ss.html.

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C180KsportP

Thanks for your input.
And I just called Kleemann HQ. spoke to their technician. And pulley set are for 230.
THere will be no pulley set for C180K . Only the K BOX- sort of ECU upgrade.
So with a K BOX I got a HP gain from 141- 193 . That's cool. :v Going to check on the price for that.

With the K BOX i suppose i will be running the HP of stock 230. Then i should not be worring about the engine damage. ?

benzmodz

Kleeman isnt Mercedes.

C180KsportP

Sure it is not Merz . Guess have to prey that M271 C180 engine can handle the extra HP good and Kleemann has done a good job on their KBOX.

BTW, the price for KBOX and air filter will be 925 EURO.

Zillarpillow23

C180KsportP, look out for Digi-Tec. They seem to be offering a great kit as well. Read spankdoggie's post here: https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....6&postcount=14.
Good luck.
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