avolki

Hello people, I have a simple question, it may have been asked and replied here before. I'd be glad if you help me
What are the "specific" differences between the C180 Kompressor and and the 230 Kompressor causing the different power and torque outputs? Is it feasible to get the same outputs from the C180 Kompressor? Any drivetrain, chassis and brake system differences beyond different grunt?

Thanx in advance

amdeutsch

Welcome to the forum.

Your thread header specifies 180 and 200 but your post refers to 180 and 230. The 180 and the 200 are not sold in the US. The 230 was available in a 2.3L and a 1.8L.

You might be better served to ask this question on a European forum where these cars are more prevalent.

HTH

kyosho1

Which country do you reside?
The C180 has about 20BHP and 20NM less than a C200.
I have tested both cars and the power difference is rather subtle.
But do note that C200 has higher top speed.
From what I have read in the forum, both C180 & C200 has the same supercharger turbine, but different ECU. The C230 has a different Supercharger though.
Adding aftermarket mods eg Kleemann K-Box & their pulleys can bring C180 to C200 levels.
BTW, I think C180 has electrical seats but does not have memory seats & memory steering adjustment.

avolki

I live in Istanbul, Turkey. Due to the ridiculiously heavy taxes for high displacement engines here, I have to go for the forced induction route. (So, I cannot afford the V6 models) C180 kompressor is affordable for me, but I want 230 kompressor levels of performance. As I have understood, I need different ECU and turbine. What else?? Will it be feasible for me to make the conversion?

ismeto

Avolki foruma hoş geldin....

1 ay önce 2005 Model C180 Kompressor Sportcoupe aldım.

başıkta 180 ile 200 ü karşılaştırmışsın ama thread de 230 a atlamışsın.

2005 modele kadar sorun farketmezdi ama 2006 da 230 V6 oldu.

2003 -2005 arası 180-200 ve230 1.8 lt lik aynı motoru kullandı.

TNblkc230wz

If you are looking at a 2003 or newer C180, 200, or C230 Kompressor, I believe they use the same size engine. In 2003 MB started using a 1.8 Litre in the W203. I can't say for sure in all markets though. In 2006, the US has a C230 which is a non-Kompressor 2.5 liter V6.

avolki

selam benim demek istediğim 2. el C 180(143hp) komp alıp, 4 silindirli C200(163hp) ya da mümkünse C230 Komp(192hp) seviyesine çekmek istiyorum, sonuçta C180-200-230 hepsi aynı hacim....(2004-2005 model için)
Ne gibi değişiklikler gerekecek? Su an Accord 2.4 kullanıyorum, memnunum ama ileride ikinci elde değer kaybedeceğine inandığım için Mercedes'le değiştirmeyi düşünüyorum seneye ( yeni kasa C gelecek biliyorum ama zaten ben de kasa değişince alacağım eski kasa olarak )

alpinweiss

I am not sure what cars are sold in Turkey. If the Mercedes are the same specifications as sold in western Europe, then I believe the following is correct:

From 2003 to 2005, the C180k, C200k, and C230k all had the same 1.8 liter engine block. It is an inline four cylinder design. There are differences are in the ECU and supercharger.

I am not sure about differences on the internal parts of the engine. My research shows the C180k has a compression ratio of 10.0 to 1. The C200k has a compression ratio of 9.3 to 1. The C230k has a compression ratio of 8.7 to 1. So there are probably differences in the pistons or the cylinder head.

Gearing may also be different. I am assuming you have a six-speed manual. I will research further.

In 2006, the C230 went to a 2.5 liter V6. This is a completely different engine. The C180k and C200k kept the 1.8 liter four cylinder. The compression ratios for the C180 and C200 (see above) are still correct.

ismeto

Güzel bir soru...ingilizcesini tam olarak anlayamamıştım. ...ben almadan önce bu konu hakkında bayağı araştırmıştım.....nasıl oluyorda aynı motor hacminden 3 ayrı güç....tabii herbirisinin arasında 5000 EURO(baz fiyat) olunca farklı bir şeyler olduğunu anlıyosun....sanırım diğer iki gücü elde etmek için motor ayarlarında değişiklik yapılıyo ve ilave parça kullanılıyo (öyleyse mesela niye en azından C180 ile C200 kataloglarda aynı kilo gösteriliyo ) ....bende tam bilmiyorum..


ama şunu düşünüyorum...madem 1.8 cc motorla 192 beygir almak iyiydide niye mercedes bir anda C230 için 1.8 i kaldırıp V6 ya geri döndü güçte sanılanın aksine 15 beygirlik artış oldu demekki gitmeyen bir şeyler vardı ..o güç için 1.8 motor hacmi yetmedi..

bence bu araçta -her nekadar benim için şimdilik bu güç yeterliysede- en ideali

C200 ve bu motor gücü 2007 deki yeni kasa ile 163 den 175 e çıkacak...

dgwee

Its the same in Singapore - the highest output 1.8L you can get now is the C200K. Like what Kyosho1 says, in terms of performance, there is no significant difference between the C180K and the C200K.

avolki

I'd better change my question What are your recommendations for tuning the C180 Kompressor in order to reach 180-190hp levels? Will it be feasible?

kyosho1

I have a friend who changed added a Kleemann ECU (K Box) for his C180K (which brings the BHP & torque to C200K level), he wasn't satisfied after a while.
Then he added a Kleemann pulley set (modified to fit into a C180K), now he is satisfied.
Anyway there are other brands of aftermarket ECU & pulley sets which you can search in the forum.

tansh68

Hi Kyosho1,

May I know where your friend did his modifications in Singapore ? I have heard that for C180K, u can only add the K-box but not the pulley. If it is possible, I am also keen. Thanks.

kyosho1

Look for Kent from Benzsolution HP 90290108

webzen

Hi Bro,

Great to see a fellow S'porean here. Are you also a member of the Merc group at Delphi forum? By the way, like to find out do you still service your C180 at C&C? This is because I was quoted a ridiculously high servicing price for my wife's C180. If you don't service at C&C, do you have a reliable external workshop I could go to? I was also recommended by a friend to go to Superworkshop at Ubi. Maybe we can have a meetup soon in S'pore. Cheers!

kyosho1

Hi Bro,

Great to see a fellow S'porean here.
==there are a number of Sporeans in the forum.

Are you also a member of the Merc group at Delphi forum?
==I am a meneber of that forum but didnt

By the way, like to find out do you still service your C180 at C&C? This is because I was quoted a ridiculously high servicing price for my wife's C180.
==My warranty is valid till next year end, so I still go C&C. Yup, high servicing charges, but I try to change certain parts myself that's not covered by the warranty eg. Borsh Wiper set at $58 (instead of $170 at C&C excl $30+ installation charges!)

If you don't service at C&C, do you have a reliable external workshop I could go to? I was also recommended by a friend to go to Superworkshop at Ubi.
== I think the Benzsolution guy is from Superworkshop previously. I went to his workshop recently to enquire about the Kleemann mods and S-class type tail lights and he was very professional and his workshop was tidy too.

Maybe we can have a meetup soon in S'pore.
==sure.

tansh68

Hi Bro,

Thanks for the info, will check up with Kent.

Btw, when are you going to organise a meet up for all the felow bros here ?

kyosho1

Hi tansh68

.....when are you going to organise a meet up for all the felow bros here ?
==heh heh. kinda busy these coming months.

CBlack

count me in guys if you do arrange for a meet up in Singapore. btw, does anyone of you know how to post pics? I just did some cosmetic change to my car and would like to share.

shenzanzan

MY CAR C180K