C240 Perfomance
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Originally Posted by Narcissus
God.. You have issues. I removed the picture cuz you posted after that you made a mistke and that there was something after the short " I WIN" post that you wrote? I'll post it again anyway.
you don'T know squat, you think HP is all that matter.. wow... put an air filter on your 1.8, that will bring u on par with the 2.3 at 192-193 hp... even with a lighter engine and car you will never, EVER beat an 02 coupe... even with the same HP.. get it ?
The C240 dyno was posted by BrabusCclass. he's been here since what, 2001? he's a well known and respected member here, if you wanna go ahead and question his numbers, which were done at evoport and can be confirmed with the dynochart slip number, then just go right ahead. I didn't show any dyno, and I can't cuz my car is modified.
Anyway... if you want to question his dyno, will you question ctc230k's as well? you think he can keep his car at 7200rpm from 3rd to 6th gear?
god speed
I didn't know HP was pulling the car and torque was just riding along
anyway, here's the picture again. you win
lol
you don'T know squat, you think HP is all that matter.. wow... put an air filter on your 1.8, that will bring u on par with the 2.3 at 192-193 hp... even with a lighter engine and car you will never, EVER beat an 02 coupe... even with the same HP.. get it ?
The C240 dyno was posted by BrabusCclass. he's been here since what, 2001? he's a well known and respected member here, if you wanna go ahead and question his numbers, which were done at evoport and can be confirmed with the dynochart slip number, then just go right ahead. I didn't show any dyno, and I can't cuz my car is modified.
Anyway... if you want to question his dyno, will you question ctc230k's as well? you think he can keep his car at 7200rpm from 3rd to 6th gear?
god speed
I didn't know HP was pulling the car and torque was just riding along
anyway, here's the picture again. you win
lol
You never labeled them...+10 lb-ft of torque for a car 300 lbs more? Physics, again, my boy. And then throw in some other random comment apparently about what I think torque and HP do?
Sorry, stole the last word. But you're just blatantly pathological, I can't help it. Hope this didn't break our little truce. :p
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Originally Posted by delbomber
That's not the picture you posted...{shaking head}...despicable.
You never labeled them...+10 lb-ft of torque for a car 300 lbs more? Physics, again, my boy. And then throw in some other random comment apparently about what I think torque and HP do? Credibility just fell below zero...didn't think that was possible.
Sorry, stole the last word. But you're just blatantly pathological, I can't help it.
You never labeled them...+10 lb-ft of torque for a car 300 lbs more? Physics, again, my boy. And then throw in some other random comment apparently about what I think torque and HP do? Credibility just fell below zero...didn't think that was possible.
Sorry, stole the last word. But you're just blatantly pathological, I can't help it.
yes, 10lbs more of torque... but the C230k peaks at 7200rpm.. who here in his right mind would drive his car to 7200 rpm? first of all you need to be in dyno mode, and a manual ... now look at the torque curve on the c240 and you can see it pulls almost all the way through the powerband... anyway.
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Originally Posted by Narcissus
you'Re right.. I can'T repost the same picture again cuz I deleted the post
yes, 10lbs more of torque... but the C230k peaks at 7200rpm.. who here in his right mind would drive his car to 7200 rpm? first of all you need to be in dyno mode, and a manual ... now look at the torque curve on the c240 and you can see it pulls almost all the way through the powerband... anyway.
yes, 10lbs more of torque... but the C230k peaks at 7200rpm.. who here in his right mind would drive his car to 7200 rpm? first of all you need to be in dyno mode, and a manual ... now look at the torque curve on the c240 and you can see it pulls almost all the way through the powerband... anyway.
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Originally Posted by delbomber
Yeah, I gotta remember to hit 'preview post' more often instead of posting...softened that up a bit, but it was too late. Oh well.
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I'll give you dynos that will make your legs weak once we're done with our turbo upgrade on a 2004 c230k. custom cams, custom throttle body, custom fuel management, 550cc injectors and T3 hybrid turbo will make this car faster than pretty much every stock car on the road
you guys seem like you're not around very fast or very modified cars much : p
how's a 300 (turbo)-366 (fuel) hp dyno supposed to scare a guy. That's like the minimum required from any car to even consider it sporty : p.
what T3 are you planning on using ?
Did you ever think about using a matched Injector/Airflow meter trick ? Or would the OBD-100000000 completely ***** about it : ) ?
What size are the stock injectors , since we're on topic ?
It is true that the stock TB is also a recirculation valve on this car ?
What size is the stock TB? and how far out are you going with it ? : )
Nice to finally find someone to ask some engine questions. : ).
All most people around here seem to know are 'power packages' and 'chips' : p
Mostly teasing
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Originally Posted by LMing
Narcissus, I remember I saw your posts in Montrealracing.com saying that your car is chipped and paid around 70k CDN no ?... If you don't really care about the speed or the power, why would you chip your car ? and you can't really compare the cars now since your car is not a stock car... maybe should compare a chipped C230 as well...
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Originally Posted by Narcissus
Well he went to ICS and they do have some MAJOR blowers there
So I guess the stock IC was getting more than enough fresh air.
Doesn't make up for the 7200rpm peak and spiked torque curve.
So I guess the stock IC was getting more than enough fresh air.
Doesn't make up for the 7200rpm peak and spiked torque curve.
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Originally Posted by Capt Nemo o2
How did they get the car to 7500 RPM, the car redlines at 6200... Does putting it in dyno mode take out the revlimiter? And why would they [MB] cut the power off before it hits its peak?
If you drive your car to redline with ESP on it hits redline at 6000 rpm, if you turn ESP off and redline it hits at 6500 RPM. these dyno runs were done in Dyno Mode with ESP and ABS off.
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Originally Posted by Narcissus
I dunno you should ask ctC230K about this, from the vids and posts he made we can see he likes to drop the clutch and redline his engine. Good thing he's renting the car 
HP peaks ar 5100 RPM. at his engine peaks he only has 110 lbs of torque.
nothing to brag about.. sure you can go in dyno mode and rape the redline... not something I would do on my car but it sur elooks better on paper.
HP peaks ar 5100 RPM. at his engine peaks he only has 110 lbs of torque.
nothing to brag about.. sure you can go in dyno mode and rape the redline... not something I would do on my car but it sur elooks better on paper.
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Originally Posted by Narcissus
And I said it here as well? so what's the point? they don't make 4 doors c230s anymore?
I gotta admit though... I do miss the hatch.... Should have settled for a wagon but meh....
You're really going the extra mile eh? Here. my name is Stephane Cardin, I'm a computer consultant... maybe you can google up my life see if you can find somthing to report about? how's that.
I gotta admit though... I do miss the hatch.... Should have settled for a wagon but meh....
You're really going the extra mile eh? Here. my name is Stephane Cardin, I'm a computer consultant... maybe you can google up my life see if you can find somthing to report about? how's that.
Frankly, all the snobs can bemoan the hatch all they want. I love it. Trunks are a PITA in comparison. Yeah, I like the wagon. Oh, for the hater crowd, MBUSA killed that too.
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All the current C class cars are slow pigs if you have ever driven a muscle car from the 60's.
There are exceptions to every rule and you C55 owners are that rare exception. The first time I lit one of those, I found myself attempting to raise the landing gear!
There are exceptions to every rule and you C55 owners are that rare exception. The first time I lit one of those, I found myself attempting to raise the landing gear!
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Originally Posted by Moviela
All the current C class cars are slow pigs if you have ever driven a muscle car from the 60's.
There are exceptions to every rule and you C55 owners are that rare exception. The first time I lit one of those, I found myself attempting to raise the landing gear!
There are exceptions to every rule and you C55 owners are that rare exception. The first time I lit one of those, I found myself attempting to raise the landing gear!
Ten years ago these things would have been little rockets...well, the 230 at least. :v But times have changed, and MB is stuck in a timewarp/segment saturation scheme that forces them to detune engines in order to prevent the cheaper/lower margin models from keeping the expensive/higher margin models viable and attractive choices for consumers.
But then buying a C-class for stock speed is a bit like going to Nobu for the martinis...
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I dont know about that one... The C's are pretty much on par with there European couterparts. Its only the new generations that are comming out like the new 3 and A4. BMWs faster 0-60 speed is a gearing trick, and Audi's are pigs (b/c of quattro, and lets be honest the # of 2WD A4s are close to the # of 6speed C's). We are between the two, and Jaguar is somewhere nearby lurking in the woods like an outcast of society. MB is due for a new C that although all the rumors we heard say no, I am sure MB will once again be on par. The only entry level luxury sedans the Cs are not on par with are the Lexus IS300 and Infiniti G35. But then you're not getting an MB (While MBs quality may be down, they still have the wow factor, and IMO the interior of the German brands is much much better than the Japanese). And the major exception to this is the C320 which will be fixed when they drop the new engine in. And yes, you may be able to buy a cheaper car like a Corola Sport that some here say is faster, its still a ****ing Toyota.
No one here can say they bought there car for speed. Not even the AMGs. They bought it because its an MB. Simply put the price per zippyness ratio is not very good for MBs Period. For the price of a C55 I could buy a car that will beat out most stock cars on the road, including Ferarri's and Lambo's, but then I wouldnt be driving around in a MB... I want a car that I enjoy driving and is comfortable, although some extra speed would be nice, and thats the reason why everyone buys AMG/M/S/R models. Can we for once put this thread to sleep? Its old, both cars are nice in there own way, and we shouldnt be having a civil war here, we should team up and attack BMW... They got it comming...
No one here can say they bought there car for speed. Not even the AMGs. They bought it because its an MB. Simply put the price per zippyness ratio is not very good for MBs Period. For the price of a C55 I could buy a car that will beat out most stock cars on the road, including Ferarri's and Lambo's, but then I wouldnt be driving around in a MB... I want a car that I enjoy driving and is comfortable, although some extra speed would be nice, and thats the reason why everyone buys AMG/M/S/R models. Can we for once put this thread to sleep? Its old, both cars are nice in there own way, and we shouldnt be having a civil war here, we should team up and attack BMW... They got it comming...
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Originally Posted by Capt Nemo o2
I dont know about that one... The C's are pretty much on par with there European couterparts. Its only the new generations that are comming out like the new 3 and A4. BMWs faster 0-60 speed is a gearing trick, and Audi's are pigs (b/c of quattro, and lets be honest the # of 2WD A4s are close to the # of 6speed C's).
Originally Posted by Capt Nemo o2
and IMO the interior of the German brands is much much better than the Japanese
Originally Posted by Capt Nemo o2
No one here can say they bought there car for speed. Not even the AMGs. They bought it because its an MB. Simply put the price per zippyness ratio is not very good for MBs Period.
Originally Posted by Capt Nemo o2
Can we for once put this thread to sleep? Its old, both cars are nice in there own way, and we shouldnt be having a civil war here.
Look, I like the C230 a lot, otherwise I wouldn't have bought it. But being pragmatic about it and MB is far fairer to reader's of this board than being a fanatical fanboy.
Cheers.
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I thought the G35 had the worst interior of all the entry level luxury cars.
Real leather? come on who looks for that, if it feels like leather and smells like leather, what difference does that make. i consider the dashboard layout and the feel and build quality of everything when looking at a car's interior. the g35 just felt like the typical cheap plastic thrown together style of japanese cars with weird buttons that feel like they're gonna fall off.
Real leather? come on who looks for that, if it feels like leather and smells like leather, what difference does that make. i consider the dashboard layout and the feel and build quality of everything when looking at a car's interior. the g35 just felt like the typical cheap plastic thrown together style of japanese cars with weird buttons that feel like they're gonna fall off.
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Originally Posted by ctC230K
I thought the G35 had the worst interior of all the entry level luxury cars.
Real leather? come on who looks for that, if it feels like leather and smells like leather, what difference does that make. i consider the dashboard layout and the feel and build quality of everything when looking at a car's interior. the g35 just felt like the typical cheap plastic thrown together style of japanese cars with weird buttons that feel like they're gonna fall off.
Real leather? come on who looks for that, if it feels like leather and smells like leather, what difference does that make. i consider the dashboard layout and the feel and build quality of everything when looking at a car's interior. the g35 just felt like the typical cheap plastic thrown together style of japanese cars with weird buttons that feel like they're gonna fall off.
I don't see the move to the 230 as a step up, just as a timely switch. There are a number of considerations at play as to why I got rid of the G, namely insurance and gas $ that was being pissed away that are better allocated in assets that will GROW over time, not depreciate or disappear altogether. Ultimately decided on the C230 for the combination of luxury, adequate performance, 6-speed, and looks. Was close to an S4, but couldn't justify it based on the reason for moving out of the G.
I'm not bashing the C230, I just think Infiniti exceeds common perception and is a step above other Japanese makers. Will love my C230 every bit or more, I'm sure.
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I was laying down rubber in my buddies G35 6 speed coupe a couple weeks ago. That monster wants to RUN!!!!!!!! I think it "only" has like 270hp, but it "feels" at least 3 times more powerful that my C230
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I liked the look of the G35, just the interior to me looked cheap, I hated all those buttons, especially for the volume control. The leather was nice, but the dash just lacked, and the back seat was horrible (coupe), not that I carry people back there often. The other thing I dont like is that Inifiniti is notorious for rotors warping, and the car is horrible in the snow and I need to depend on the car in almost all conditions. It is however a quick car, with what now 298hp?! But the straw that broke the camels back was the dealers around here just suck!
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Originally Posted by delbomber
I'm not gonna defend the G35 to death...but have you ever seen the way real leather wears over time vs. fake? After three years the car smelled like new every morning...does MB Tex retain that smell?
i'll tell u in 3 years :p
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my bmw has the sand leatherette and after 6 years it's still in great shape and it has a unique cherry but not really cherry scent that most bmw's have. only a couple puncture wounds by the first owner.
