C240 Perfomance
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Originally Posted by delbomber
Screw that...230 owners don't even worry about the 240. The only time you will even see or hear a 230 owner mention a 240 is when some squawker tries to tell everyone his 240 is faster.
It's like Philly and New York. Philadelphians despise New York, while New Yorkers don't even know Philadelphia exists. Now, to keep things in perspective, the C230 is NOT the New York of MB's lineup....It's more like Miami...a fun, happenin' little town. What's the 240? How about, hmm, Cleveland? Ha, you think people in Miami spend time worrying about Cleveland?
It's like Philly and New York. Philadelphians despise New York, while New Yorkers don't even know Philadelphia exists. Now, to keep things in perspective, the C230 is NOT the New York of MB's lineup....It's more like Miami...a fun, happenin' little town. What's the 240? How about, hmm, Cleveland? Ha, you think people in Miami spend time worrying about Cleveland?
this thread just keeps getting better!!
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Originally Posted by delbomber
Not trying to rip you because you are trying to be a voice of reason, but that's the exact thinking MB is targeting...WHoa, V6, must be faster...WRONG. Their engine modification to the C230 is a disgrace to modern V6's. A DISGRACE.
To the others...
It's simple Physics. I love how my debate skills are attacked and then the only evidence I get supplied with that the 240 is faster is "I've driven both, the 240 is faster. Period". Wow, real scientific there, buddy. You've earned yourself a Dewey button. It might feel faster, but that's because the springs they put in there are for 70-year old men, and the *** drops down every time you step on the gas.
You want to get into buying power and who deserves to be driving a Benz? Why don't you ask yourself why you're not driving a Bentley instead of lamenting MB selling to the masses. I'm not going to sit here and justify why I chose to buy a c230 over a c350, or a 330,or an s4, or an e55, all of which I was considering, but I will defend my car's limited acceleration against the biggest POS in MB's line-up, the C240.
Only the 2005 owner's are passionate about their cars? I beg to differ...but it's funny, I don't see the loudmouth 240 defenders in this thread ever adding anything constructive anywhere else...
Ok boys...enough already. You win. Your car defies the laws of physics and is faster from 65-85 than the C230. Happy now?
Cheers.
To the others...
It's simple Physics. I love how my debate skills are attacked and then the only evidence I get supplied with that the 240 is faster is "I've driven both, the 240 is faster. Period". Wow, real scientific there, buddy. You've earned yourself a Dewey button. It might feel faster, but that's because the springs they put in there are for 70-year old men, and the *** drops down every time you step on the gas.
You want to get into buying power and who deserves to be driving a Benz? Why don't you ask yourself why you're not driving a Bentley instead of lamenting MB selling to the masses. I'm not going to sit here and justify why I chose to buy a c230 over a c350, or a 330,or an s4, or an e55, all of which I was considering, but I will defend my car's limited acceleration against the biggest POS in MB's line-up, the C240.
Only the 2005 owner's are passionate about their cars? I beg to differ...but it's funny, I don't see the loudmouth 240 defenders in this thread ever adding anything constructive anywhere else...
Ok boys...enough already. You win. Your car defies the laws of physics and is faster from 65-85 than the C230. Happy now?
Cheers.
EXCELLENT POST Del!
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Originally Posted by Narcissus
I'd like to see the numbers on a dyno, WHP would be far from HP. especially on a hot day, the stock intercooler isn'T the greatest, heat soak really kills the 1.8. Especially with the AC on.
Driving my C230k on a cold winter day was a blast. on a hot summer day it's a whole different car
Driving my C230k on a cold winter day was a blast. on a hot summer day it's a whole different car
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Originally Posted by schwarzwagen
have you ever tested both cars? like cyncarvin32 and myself have? the whole point of this argument is that contrary to what logic might suggest, the c240 is faster than the c230. i know it must be an extreme leap of faith that you simple cannot accept under any circumstances.
your opinion means alot coming from a 300SEL owner
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Originally Posted by Narcissus
I didn't see a C230k dyno either? I had both cars dude. I put 45k on them each year, I know what the f*ck I'm talking about.
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I think I'm dizzy from that massively long dyno post.
Um, anyway, here's another report on the C240's blinding accelleration:
"C320s best all-around. Test C320 sedan did 7.2 sec 0-60 mph, coupe 6.9; both had automatic transmission. Test automatic-transmission C230 sedan took 8.1 sec. Manual-transmission C240 sedan took 9.2 sec, weak for this class. Test C32 took just 5.1 sec, but supercharger-related throttle lag tempers midrange response"
Um, anyway, here's another report on the C240's blinding accelleration:
"C320s best all-around. Test C320 sedan did 7.2 sec 0-60 mph, coupe 6.9; both had automatic transmission. Test automatic-transmission C230 sedan took 8.1 sec. Manual-transmission C240 sedan took 9.2 sec, weak for this class. Test C32 took just 5.1 sec, but supercharger-related throttle lag tempers midrange response"
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Originally Posted by Outland
You sound like the local trash talking street racer.
"Dude, my car is so fast, look man, I posted my vids to templeofvtec.com. Here, I wasted this Merc C32 in mybadass Honda Civic 1.7Del Slow Si Type R as he was turning into Mic Dees,... Yeah man.... it was cool. Huh?, Mickey D's? Probably got no chingchang after the lease payments on the C32...Yeah, anyway, he was turning, but I raced him till the drive-thru, and spanked him! Dudes, check back Monday!"
Put your money where you mouth is. Step up and settle it on the track.
"Dude, my car is so fast, look man, I posted my vids to templeofvtec.com. Here, I wasted this Merc C32 in mybadass Honda Civic 1.7Del Slow Si Type R as he was turning into Mic Dees,... Yeah man.... it was cool. Huh?, Mickey D's? Probably got no chingchang after the lease payments on the C32...Yeah, anyway, he was turning, but I raced him till the drive-thru, and spanked him! Dudes, check back Monday!"
Put your money where you mouth is. Step up and settle it on the track.
last i checked street racers were not the ones who spend days at the track perfecting their driving ability. And by track I mean one with turns. These 1/4 mile long patches of road are just about as exciting as underwater basket weaving.
Stoplights really dont do much for me either. wow monkey push foot to floor and car go real fast. something about that just seems pointless.
but dyno plot or not a car that is left behind in 3 runs from 60-130 should not be considered faster than the car by which it got crushed.
this is all dumb but trash talking but I dont enjoy people yelling that im wrong and full of bs. I have done the testing and my video footage is here to prove it. If you are a non believer thats great but watch the video and tell me its full of bs. At that point there is nothing I can say. I am not about to go spend 80 bucks for a dyno pull on my C230k. I will tell you now -- it feels very very slow and it get beaten by just about any MB made (other than C240 4matics).
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Originally Posted by Outland
I think I'm dizzy from that massively long dyno post.
Um, anyway, here's another report on the C240's blinding accelleration:
"C320s best all-around. Test C320 sedan did 7.2 sec 0-60 mph, coupe 6.9; both had automatic transmission. Test automatic-transmission C230 sedan took 8.1 sec. Manual-transmission C240 sedan took 9.2 sec, weak for this class. Test C32 took just 5.1 sec, but supercharger-related throttle lag tempers midrange response"
Um, anyway, here's another report on the C240's blinding accelleration:
"C320s best all-around. Test C320 sedan did 7.2 sec 0-60 mph, coupe 6.9; both had automatic transmission. Test automatic-transmission C230 sedan took 8.1 sec. Manual-transmission C240 sedan took 9.2 sec, weak for this class. Test C32 took just 5.1 sec, but supercharger-related throttle lag tempers midrange response"
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Originally Posted by CynCarvin32
Was that a quote from a magazine? wow a magazine racer...people we have a magazine racer.
I don't even want to see this ridiculous thing...independent sources verify my, ct's, and outland's position. Unbiased, non-partisan. And you know why you don't see cars quoted for their time from 60-130? Because it's a BS statistic. It takes a week and a half for either of these cars to reach 130... How about 0-130? Why not say your car is faster from 45-57? It's dumb. And homeboy, I don't understand gearing and axle ratios? The rear-axle ratio for these cars is IDENTICAL. 3.46. Game. set. Match. So now we have same gearing, same axle-ratio, heavier, more drag, less HP, and less torque for the 240.
As for heat-soak, it applies to EVERY vehicle. I'll grant you it affects FI cars more, but until you're smart enough to figure out the precise effects it has, as I have posted in another post, stop bringing these anecdotal arguments to the table. If the 230 is sapped of 6% power and the 240 is sapped of just 4%, the 230 still has enough ponies and lb-ft to shred its ugly brother.
There, every fallacious argument has been dealt with. Ever see 'My Cousin Vinny'? I'M DONE WIT DIS GUY!
(Ok, that's a bit inflammatory of me...but I'm on 2-hours of sleep after flying to London, where every other vehicle is a C-class, and this has been pent up the whole ride form the airport)...Will check in later boys.
ct, Outland...keep it real
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these cars do not have an LSD right? is it an electronic LSD? i've had one wheel under sand and one under dry pavement but the wheel under sand does not spin like it would if it didn't have some type of limited slip
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Originally Posted by CynCarvin32
These 1/4 mile long patches of road are just about as exciting as underwater basket weaving.
Stoplights really dont do much for me either. wow monkey push foot to floor and car go real fast.
but dyno plot or not a car that is left behind in 3 runs from 60-130 should not be considered faster than the car by which it got crushed.
this is all dumb but trash talking but I dont enjoy people yelling that im wrong and full of bs. <> I am not about to go spend 80 bucks for a dyno pull on my C230k. I will tell you now -- it feels very very slow and it get beaten by just about any MB made (other than C240 4matics).
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Originally Posted by ctC230K
:moron:
Nice torque curve. And you have a manual, imagine auto, on a hot and humid day after driving for 30 minutes. or going uphill.
Ok.. Case closed I guess.
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Originally Posted by CynCarvin32
Was that a quote from a magazine? wow a magazine racer...people we have a magazine racer.
The term is paper racing. And you guys do it all the time. IIRC, the C55 and crowds had a fit when some reviews were showing the C32 faster.
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Originally Posted by Narcissus
God it's even worst than I taught. And you're calling me a moron? Wow. 145 lbs torque on a very "HOT" 65 f day and a very humid 25%
Nice torque curve. And you have a manual, imagine auto, on a hot and humid day after driving for 30 minutes. or going uphill.
Ok.. Case closed I guess.
Nice torque curve. And you have a manual, imagine auto, on a hot and humid day after driving for 30 minutes. or going uphill.
Ok.. Case closed I guess.
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Originally Posted by amdeutsch
Don't forget that this is after the install of his K & N which his butt dyno told him is a hp increase over the stock version.
I didn't think the filters would make a difference, how many HP did u gain from them?
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Originally Posted by Narcissus
Well he failed to mention that, but still. He didn,t have to bring it up to 7500rpm for decent numbers.
I didn't think the filters would make a difference, how many HP did u gain from them?
I didn't think the filters would make a difference, how many HP did u gain from them?
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Originally Posted by amdeutsch
Don't forget that this is after the install of his K & N which his butt dyno told him is a hp increase over the stock version.
Wow.. looking at Ctc230k's post and he's the one with the filters. I though you said the C240 had the filters.. that's even funnier :p
Guess there's not need for a video anymore. Delbomber just saved 100$
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Originally Posted by Narcissus
Wow.. looking at Ctc230k's post and he's the one with the filters. I though you said the C240 had the filters.. that's even funnier :p
Guess there's not need for a video anymore. Delbomber just saved 100$
Guess there's not need for a video anymore. Delbomber just saved 100$
Last edited by LMing; May 22, 2005 at 12:21 PM.
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Originally Posted by LMing
Narcissus, I remember I saw your posts in Montrealracing.com saying that your car is chipped and paid around 70k CDN no ?... If you don't really care about the speed or the power, why would you chip your car ? and you can't really compare the cars now since your car is not a stock car... maybe should compare a chipped C230 as well...
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Originally Posted by Narcissus
Yes my car has the powerchip, modified cams and an underdrive pulley as well so of course I'm pulling on stock c230 without a problem. but we're talking about stock vs stock here and the dyno ain't mine.
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Originally Posted by LMing
Narcissus, I remember I saw your posts in Montrealracing.com saying that your car is chipped and paid around 70k CDN no ?... If you don't really care about the speed or the power, why would you chip your car ? and you can't really compare the cars now since your car is not a stock car... maybe should compare a chipped C230 as well...
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Originally Posted by LMing
That's the reason I don't understand, if you don't really care about the power like you replied before, why would you spend extra 2 grands to get like another 20 HP ? not trying to argue, just want to know the reason... thanks
It's a bit more money for a bit more HP but this is all done in an effort to put Freskies Kustoms on the map. Anyway, if I wanted more HP I would have kept the C230k. it's a lot easier to modifiy.
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Originally Posted by Narcissus
You got me all wrong here, I said I traded the C230 for a C240 cuz it'S quieter and more refined. you can never have enough speed
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Originally Posted by LMing
heh, you know the price you paid can almost get a C320, we should meet sometimes, not to see who is faster, just want to make friends and have some general chat~
What's your name on MR?
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Originally Posted by Narcissus
Guess there's not need for a video anymore. Delbomber just saved 100$
I win.
Is that immature enough for you? On par with claiming to have (phantom) videos to support your position. You seriously just lost the tiny shred of credibility you had. That, and the fact that you hid the fact you modded your car to be able to "walk away" from stock c230s should get you banned from ever engaging in another debate, and forced to watch stock c230's eat up your stock geezer car.
Ok, this is finished. This turned out to be all a big joke...no video + mods = one desperate c240 owner.
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