Mtu

^^^ This sucks...

Cholleman

fwiw, I did my first oil change on the car yesterday and went to the dealer for oil and filter. I off handedly asked the parts guy why there wasn't a fleece filter available anymore for the 230K. he replied that there never has been a fleece filter for the M271 and that fleece was spec'd for some other engine that used conventional oil. kinda thought that was innaccurate, but whatever. so i get home, pop the hood and what do i see? there's a sticker ono the header panel stating "OIL FILTER: REPLACE WITH GENUINE MB FLEECE FILTER ONLY" I wish I had known about the sticker before i talk to the parts guy.

Mtu

Some of these parts guys are clueless, can you imagine I was at a dealer few days ago and the dude gave me a filter for c240 (shorter, wider), and told the guy that's a wrong one. This was after I gave him my freakin VIN, still he was able to give me a wrong part
Btw, did you end up using the paper one or you found a place where they have the fleece?

Glyn M Ruck

These parts guys are idiots!

Mtu

Hey GMR,

Do you guys carry these (M271) fleece filters in SA? If so, please let me know, I'm definitely going to order from there once I reach TZ. Thanks

Cholleman

I just used the paper. With a thread on the subject that's 4 pages long and no one yet finding a supplier, I'd imagine that collectively, we've scoured the web to the point where we're not going to find the fleece in the US. If MB is stocking paper and not giving you the choice of fleece or paper, then it's probably safe to say that outside of ordering from a country that still gets fleece, we're not going to find them.

HAWAIIC230

Help. I have a 2005 C230K Sport Sedan and decided to change the oil myself. So I started research on ths site and on the internet, but now I'm confused more than ever. My manual that came with all the original paperwork looks like the one posted here, but on page 11 it looks different and shows the fleece oil filter for use with engine oils meeting 229.5 is MB Part No. 000 180 26 09 for all class of Mercedes. Yet, in looking at the receipts from previous service the dealer has been using 271 180 01 09 ($29.29) and putting me under the extended service with annual oil change. I also notice they use Q1090015 5W-40 BULK OIL.

Thanks for any input. I'm going to call the Service Dept to ask about the oil they use on Monday (it better at least be Synthetic). I am also going to provide the VIN to see what filter they try to sell me.

REX0000

Interesting, if you llok up the oil filters for a C230 V6 engine here:

http://euro.bmpdes********/OEM/viewPr...pID=Oil+System

it shows fleece filters & commments that the fleece filters replace paper filters.

If you change the car on that website to a 1.8L C230, they show paper filters, but no mention of paper filter replacing the fleece filter. I remember when I did my first oil change on my M271, the filter I got was dfeinitely fleece/white color, and I'm prety sure it said fleece filter on the box. I wish i took pics then, but back then I didnt' know there was a secret conspiracy to replace the M271 fleece with paper filters

REX0000

HawaiiC230, $29.29 for a paper filter is very overpriced! Also, the 5W-40 Oil is the new mobil 1 oil the MB dealers are using.THe dealers used to use Mobil 1 0W-40, but this oil can't be used in the newer diesel engines whereas 5W-40 can be used in the diesel plus non-diesel engines. So to save money/more convenient, the dealers now just use 5W-40. At least this was the case a few years ago...

It was being discussed here:
https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w...nt-grades.html

However from the above link, there is a comment by sticky green: "Mobil 1 5w40 ESP Formula M is the new oil that MB is using (229.51 spec), but they no longer recommend it for gas engines due to the amount of ethanol in US gas that somehow reacts with the new ESP oil."

Right now I am not sure if the dealers are supposed to go back to 0W-40 for gas cars. If this is true, the dealer shouldn't have put 5W-40 in your car because it's only for diesels.

ALso, please note the newer approved service products list: https://mbworld.org/forums/3025494-post80.html

And note the bottom right corner of page 14 that says "The use of fleece oil filters is not mandatory on vehicles prior to MY2005." I dont' know why they got rid of the fleece for M271

REX0000

Oh wait, I just read GLyn's post about Oil issue:

https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...ments-usa.html

Glyn M Ruck

It has nothing to do with Ethanol - It has to do with Ash level requirements being mutually exclusive for Benz Petrol & Diesel Engines.

HAWAIIC230

Thank you very much for taking the time to respond and research. I am almost tempted to just buy the Wix or whatever if I am paying almost 3 times at the dealer for a paper filter. My biggest disappointment about the dealer is they don't even know (maybe they do?) that I should not be doing extended oil changes with the filter they are selling me according to what I am reading. Fortunately the C230 is my wife's car and she has only traveled 7K miles in the 1 year since the last oil change on 12 Jun 08.

I am going to definitely stick with the recommended standard for oil and no short cuts there for sure, but I really would like to find the truth about the oil filters. The parts guy at the one dealership we have here does not even know what I am talking about with paper versus fleece oil filter. I hope they have both part numbers in stock so I can physically see them.

Thanks again.

HAWAIIC230

So I finally received my Motive extractor and decide to do the oil change today; the Motive extractor works awesome and made it a good experience. But as shown above, I was sold 271 180 01 09 on the last service receipt, but pulled out 271 184 02 25. I don't know what gives here, but I'm going to find out next week from the service department. I can't tell if it is fleece or paper, but it feels like paper to me. The only thing that looks fleece is the top and bottom around the hole. So the saga continues.

REX0000

HawaiiC230, good job on doing your own oil change. the pic you show is the paper filter. THere used to be a thread around here called "Fleece filter update" or something like that that got merged into LILBENZ230's 2005 C230K SS Adventures Thread:

https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...ml#post3559617

See my post/pics from that thread: https://mbworld.org/forums/3559617-post196.html

I agree that the part number on top in the pic doesn't match the part number on the box in your pic & in mine, but it is like this for all the M271 paper oil filters as far as I know. I don't know the reason for the discrepancy & neither did the parts person at the dealership.

I emailed Hengst, the maker of the paper filter:

<<Oil Filter question . Hello, Hengst makes the oil filters used in my 2003 mercedes C230 (the Mercedes part number is A271 180 01 09). When I look at the top end of the hengst filter, it says A 271 184 02 25. My vehicle's manual states that in order to take advantage of extended oil change intervals of 10K miles, that a FLEECE oil filter must be used. However, the hengst filter looks exactly like the one on the top right in this picture from the hengst website:

http://www.hengst.de/conpresso/_rubr..._Cartridges_EN

This looks like a PAPER filter as opposed to fleece. Thus my questions are: 1) Is the hengst filter I'm using considered fleece, or is it really Paper? 2) Are there additional synthetic elements in this filter besides cellulose? 3) How many miles can i use this hengst filter before I need to change it? Thank you very much for your time and help! Your assistance is greatly appreciated.>>

Here is their reply:

<<Thanks for contacting us.

Here are the requested information's:

Your OE numbers (A271 180 01 09,A 271 184 02 25) cross to our
Hengst p/n E38H D106.

Regarding your questions:
1) This is a paper filter
2) In this kind of filter are different elements processed
3) The max. Lifetime is approximately 20,000 miles. We recommend to change this filter every 10,000 miles. Furthermore we suggest to use synthetic-oil.

The Hengst Fleece Filter is the P/N E11H02 D155.

I hope we could assist you.>>


THe Hengst fleece filter that is referenced above is for the V6 engines e.g. M112. There is no fleece oil filter for M271 anymore, at least not in the US.

HAWAIIC230

REX0000,

I can't thank you enough for taking the time to educate me and provide all this information. I guess I did not look hard enough through all the searches I did or missed your info. That is awesome that you were able to get information direct from Hengst and I'm not going to lose sleep over the fleece filter or go out of my way to get one. It is a shame and a crime that my dealership is charging what they do for a paper filter that I now know that I can purchase at less than half the cost elsewhere. Using the extractor was so easy and clean that I might do my other cars this way.

Thanks again and Aloha,

Craig

Glyn M Ruck

I think it is significant that Hengst suggest a max 10,000 Km change interval & we have oil sample analysis that suggests that even that might be optimistic. Paper can't do what melt blown plyester fleece can - period. It's absolute filtration capability is lacking.

HAWAIIC230

Thanks for the info and point well taken. I guess we could get the fleece in the US and pay premium for shipping. For now, I'll have to change out the filter more often.

LILBENZ230

There's no point in changing the filter only. If you're gonna do a change, do both.

Glyn M Ruck

Yep - Need to change the oil more often. A new filter is even worse than a used one when it comes to filtering ability.

HAWAIIC230

I hope people change their oil when they change their filter. Has anyone just changed the filter?

Glyn M Ruck

I know some clowns that have tried to extend oil life by changing the filter only.

capt_paul

I have been using a Hengst Filter pn E38H D106 (271-180-00-09). It appears to be fleece with the yellow element.

LILBENZ230

It's paper. I have this one now.

Glyn M Ruck

+1 - It's paper.

mrc8ds

Hi guys

So it'll be fine to use a paper filter with Mobil 1 0w-40?