Need help to choose right ATF for 722.6 ATF3403 vs ATF 3353 vs ATF 4134
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You already posted up pics...You dog. I had taken a pic of the Fuchs bottle too. Feels really weird to be putting something in my car that is not MB labeled. I have always taken great pride in using only Genuine MB parts. Except for my K&N....Oops, don't want that debate.
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I’d have stopped to lend a hand if the crew wasn't running behind schedule on a Friday afternoon.
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Was wearing flip flops. Okay, had to change a coil pack. So, I jumped back in the car. Peeled my big toe nail back on the right foot. About half way. Bled quite well.
I should have been in shoes. I'm an idiot.
I'll report back on the shifting. HR girl is nursing me.
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Yep....But there is a story...
Was wearing flip flops. Okay, had to change a coil pack. So, I jumped back in the car. Peeled my big toe nail back on the right foot. About half way. Bled quite well.
I should have been in shoes. I'm an idiot.
I'll report back on the shifting. HR girl is nursing me.
Ed
Was wearing flip flops. Okay, had to change a coil pack. So, I jumped back in the car. Peeled my big toe nail back on the right foot. About half way. Bled quite well.
I should have been in shoes. I'm an idiot.
I'll report back on the shifting. HR girl is nursing me.
Ed
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Nice find on that parts store.
I've never seen an online store with as much detail and correctly specifying things.
Thanks for the link, and a source for the Fuch's stuff, not normally even sold in the US. Heck, they even have the copper washer.
You didn't need a new cap for the tranny though..
and I don't see an oring for the radiator connection....
Save the beer till you're close to the end...
it's not a fun job...you don't want to screw up.
I've never seen an online store with as much detail and correctly specifying things.
Thanks for the link, and a source for the Fuch's stuff, not normally even sold in the US. Heck, they even have the copper washer.
You didn't need a new cap for the tranny though..
and I don't see an oring for the radiator connection....
Save the beer till you're close to the end...
it's not a fun job...you don't want to screw up.
Another update.
ATF package arrived today
. Going to flush tranny this weekend.Here are some pictures. Please point me if there is anything (tools/parts) else needed to flush tranny.
722.6 Transmission dipstick
Fuchs TITAN ATF 4134
MicroTemp Digital IR Thermometer
Splinter thank you for your offer. I am too lazy to drive 55 miles down to Hermosa Beach. ( i am at chino hills area) .So i got my own dip stick and Thermometer ( which i can use it to tune up my nitro RC car later.)
ELRING Oil Filter Kit Contains: transmission pan gasket.filter and Seals
Drain Plug, Lock pin along with seals.
TCU connecter plug
And an oil filter. After flush tranny,i am going to do a oil change as well. little tune up for summer time.
Am i missing anything?
Yeah..Some Ice Cold Beer. I cant wait to flush the transmission. Will let you guys know how does the ATF4134 feel in 722.6 5-speed.
ATF package arrived today
. Going to flush tranny this weekend.Here are some pictures. Please point me if there is anything (tools/parts) else needed to flush tranny. 722.6 Transmission dipstick
Fuchs TITAN ATF 4134
MicroTemp Digital IR Thermometer
Splinter thank you for your offer. I am too lazy to drive 55 miles down to Hermosa Beach. ( i am at chino hills area) .So i got my own dip stick and Thermometer ( which i can use it to tune up my nitro RC car later.)
ELRING Oil Filter Kit Contains: transmission pan gasket.filter and Seals
Drain Plug, Lock pin along with seals.
TCU connecter plug
And an oil filter. After flush tranny,i am going to do a oil change as well. little tune up for summer time.
Am i missing anything?
Yeah..Some Ice Cold Beer
. I cant wait to flush the transmission. Will let you guys know how does the ATF4134 feel in 722.6 5-speed.
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Hi guys. Finally got time to write a reply. I had my ATF job done over the weekend. By reading C230 Sport Coup’s C230 Sport Coup's All things AT Transmission related.about 3 times,Everything went smooth and the results were coming together as expected. During 3 days normal drive after ATF flushed.I'd like to say ATF 4134 performed very well.smooth shift through all gears.And i also feel less lag between shifting. All the previous problem related to the tramsmission (gear slipping wont shift etc.)were fixed. The lil coupe runs like new.
Problem found: Bad o-ring at tcu connector lead ATF leak into TCU Connector.
Low level ATF - Only got 2L old ATF from Transmission Pan.In the other word the transmission sort of 2 full litter Fluid.
I am thinkin i will do a half flush (change the ATF in the pan only) after 3000-4000 miles in order to push all the old ATF out of system. Because the old ATF looks really dirty plus i still have 4 bottle ATF left.
So far I personal think ATF 4134 runs better than the ATF 3403 in my lil coupe's transmission (722.6). I will update the resault after 1k mile drive.
Problem found: Bad o-ring at tcu connector lead ATF leak into TCU Connector.
Low level ATF - Only got 2L old ATF from Transmission Pan.In the other word the transmission sort of 2 full litter Fluid.
I am thinkin i will do a half flush (change the ATF in the pan only) after 3000-4000 miles in order to push all the old ATF out of system. Because the old ATF looks really dirty plus i still have 4 bottle ATF left.
So far I personal think ATF 4134 runs better than the ATF 3403 in my lil coupe's transmission (722.6). I will update the resault after 1k mile drive.
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Nice find on that parts store.
I've never seen an online store with as much detail and correctly specifying things.
Thanks for the link, and a source for the Fuch's stuff, not normally even sold in the US. Heck, they even have the copper washer.
You didn't need a new cap for the tranny though..
and I don't see an oring for the radiator connection....
I've never seen an online store with as much detail and correctly specifying things.
Thanks for the link, and a source for the Fuch's stuff, not normally even sold in the US. Heck, they even have the copper washer.
You didn't need a new cap for the tranny though..
and I don't see an oring for the radiator connection....
Have you notice this is another nice feature at rm's website? They have a real time in real inventory on every part's detail page. Isnt it nice that you can see how many parts they have in stock? Not like a lot parts online store listed every single part IN STOCK. even when you call CSR. They will talk some 
regarding their in stock item which was under back order.
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Save the beer till you're close to the end... it's not a fun job...you don't want to screw up.
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Just remeber something. The day before i flush the ATF. I was about take stop at atop sign when i just hit the break (a lil bit harder than normal). The car down shift itself witha unnormal shake.and CEL pop right after. And gear wont **** out of 2nd.(limp mode??) when i got back home hook up ODB II got P0700 code. (Transmission Control System Malfunction ). I believe it was the Bad TCU connector. ..After ATF flush i use ODB II erase the code. So far no CEL..
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Good news. Hope you stopped that TCU connector O ring leak. Yeah! My transmission is always smoother after a few beers 
Please watch your fluid level in future. Now you have a dipstick - no excuses. A new tranny is damn expensive.
Please watch your fluid level in future. Now you have a dipstick - no excuses. A new tranny is damn expensive.
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. Just bought 7 Qts Mobil 1 0w-40. Oil change this weekend. And the filter i got is the regular Paper type. Is it ok to use it? I recall some post stated a fleece filter must be use combine with the mobil1? Since 2002 i always let dealer to handle oil change, I dont think dealer were using fleece type filter
. However the car runs fine till now. So paper vs fleece what u say?
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There is a long thread that we all contributed to in this regard. I'll try & find the link. I'm extremely concerned about these Hengst paper filters. Do not exceed 9000 miles with the paper. It won't go 13,000.
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Hehe I will keep eye on ATF level.
Just bought 7 Qts Mobil 1 0w-40. Oil change this weekend. And the filter i got is the regular Paper type. Is it ok to use it? I recall some post stated a fleece filter must be use combine with the mobil1? Since 2002 i always let dealer to handle oil change, I dont think dealer were using fleece type filter. However the car runs fine till now. So paper vs fleece what u say?
. Just bought 7 Qts Mobil 1 0w-40. Oil change this weekend. And the filter i got is the regular Paper type. Is it ok to use it? I recall some post stated a fleece filter must be use combine with the mobil1? Since 2002 i always let dealer to handle oil change, I dont think dealer were using fleece type filter
. However the car runs fine till now. So paper vs fleece what u say?the FSS system, it's just a plain fact,
that one does not exist for the M111.
I've researched it endlessly.
Now, if someone wants to say I'm wrong and provide a pn, I'd be happy to see it.
The EPC lists some odd pn's for oil filters, that are listed as for testing or something. I had the guy Duval look into it for me, he said they didn't exist.
So, just go with the paper filter, it's the only one available.
I have 140K miles on my car and running like a champ, and typically have gone 10-14K between oil changes, EXCEPT, when I ran some non-exactly-approved-by-MB oil I got on sale, I mean it was Penzoil and then Valvoline syth...I changed those at 7K to be sure, shearing and all. I had it tested once too, and it was OK...
well, then again, Glyn disagreed based on some other factors.
In any case, I'm back to 0-40 Mobil 1 now...
no more $1 per quart promotions at Kragens....damn.
I full intend to let it run till the car tells me to change it.
The car actually analyses some factors in the oil to decide when it's time.
But I typically try to keep it around 10K.
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that one does not exist for the M111.
I've researched it endlessly.
I've researched it endlessly.
Bad news is there is no such thing called fleece filter exist for M111 engine.
Good news is there is no more Bad news...
Too bad tosay that M111 owners have to sticky with the old school Paper filter...
Anyways.This weekend's job is oil change...
I recall my service paper. It is 15016 miles since last oil change which done at dealer.
I think the dealer was installed the paper filter everytime i visit them for services. I am about to find out the Paper is still in the filter housing or anywhere else(Hope not). Feeling a lil scare to open the filter housing now...
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The M271 also seems not to have a fleece filter. The parts guy at Mercedes-Benz of Annapolis, MD (getmercedesparts.com) tells me that the filters they have in stock are the fleece ones. Waiting on delivery to find out, though.
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Yes - C230 is on the mark - No fleece for M111 & now trouble for M271 although some stock seems to have found it's way back to the US, but I wanted you to look at some history & the oil analysis on paper filters.
That filter that disintegrated can't possibly be German - must be Fram or similar POS.
That filter that disintegrated can't possibly be German - must be Fram or similar POS.
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Finally I had my oil change done. It was a little bit over 15k miles since the last oil change at dealer. The old oil looks dirty, The color was dark brown to black. The old oil filter (MB OEM paper filter) didn't fall apart.It looks like still in a good shape.
Side note:
It was a pain in the *** to remove the oil filter cartridge .After took off the engine cover there is only a little room which only fit a small hand. a universal oil filter wrench wont fit it in. So i bought a oil filter adapter at autozone which is a socket like thing you put it on top of oil filter and turn it by using a 1/2" (inner)wrench or 1" socket. However the adapter seems wont hold the oil filter really well.it will keep turn itself not oil filter, Out of luck. I was thinking to get a special oil filter wrench ,open EPC try to find the part number.Wait there is a picture of MB oil filter wrench at EPC. looks like the adapter i got but with 2 screw on each side. hold the filter by turning the screws is the way. i can just drill a hold and fit screw into the adapter i have. The Diy took about 10 mins. It works on the first try...There was no more problem Other than that.oil change was an easy diy overall.
Side note:
It was a pain in the *** to remove the oil filter cartridge .After took off the engine cover there is only a little room which only fit a small hand. a universal oil filter wrench wont fit it in. So i bought a oil filter adapter at autozone which is a socket like thing you put it on top of oil filter and turn it by using a 1/2" (inner)wrench or 1" socket. However the adapter seems wont hold the oil filter really well.it will keep turn itself not oil filter, Out of luck. I was thinking to get a special oil filter wrench ,open EPC try to find the part number.Wait there is a picture of MB oil filter wrench at EPC. looks like the adapter i got but with 2 screw on each side. hold the filter by turning the screws is the way. i can just drill a hold and fit screw into the adapter i have. The Diy took about 10 mins. It works on the first try...There was no more problem Other than that.oil change was an easy diy overall.
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Finally I had my oil change done. It was a little bit over 15k miles since the last oil change at dealer. The old oil looks dirty, The color was dark brown to black. The old oil filter (MB OEM paper filter) didn't fall apart.It looks like still in a good shape.
Side note:
It was a pain in the *** to remove the oil filter cartridge .After took off the engine cover there is only a little room which only fit a small hand. a universal oil filter wrench wont fit it in. So i bought a oil filter adapter at autozone which is a socket like thing you put it on top of oil filter and turn it by using a 1/2" (inner)wrench or 1" socket. However the adapter seems wont hold the oil filter really well.it will keep turn itself not oil filter, Out of luck. I was thinking to get a special oil filter wrench ,open EPC try to find the part number.Wait there is a picture of MB oil filter wrench at EPC. looks like the adapter i got but with 2 screw on each side. hold the filter by turning the screws is the way. i can just drill a hold and fit screw into the adapter i have. The Diy took about 10 mins. It works on the first try...There was no more problem Other than that.oil change was an easy diy overall.
Side note:
It was a pain in the *** to remove the oil filter cartridge .After took off the engine cover there is only a little room which only fit a small hand. a universal oil filter wrench wont fit it in. So i bought a oil filter adapter at autozone which is a socket like thing you put it on top of oil filter and turn it by using a 1/2" (inner)wrench or 1" socket. However the adapter seems wont hold the oil filter really well.it will keep turn itself not oil filter, Out of luck. I was thinking to get a special oil filter wrench ,open EPC try to find the part number.Wait there is a picture of MB oil filter wrench at EPC. looks like the adapter i got but with 2 screw on each side. hold the filter by turning the screws is the way. i can just drill a hold and fit screw into the adapter i have. The Diy took about 10 mins. It works on the first try...There was no more problem Other than that.oil change was an easy diy overall.
M111,
You and I think alike. I too have a paper filter with over 15k on it. Don't ask why, but I do. It held up well.
As for the new trans fluid. Here is my story. So I changed the fluid and filter in the trans. Ripped off my toe nail. All cool right.....NOOOOO. About a week into the new spec fluid, I developed a fast and furious leak at the trans electrical connector. I know it wasn't there before, then boom! Fast leak. I'm attributing it to the new spec fluid. I think the seals got used to the old spec trans fluid, then got exposed to the new fluid, got hard, and well, leaked.
So, yestarday, I had to go back in and change the seals on the round connector from the TCU to the trans. Perhaps I could have done it without dropping the pan, but I did all the work again.
So my recommendation is new fluid = new seals at the TCU to trans connector plug. Perhaps it was time and the new spec fluid has nothing to do with it, but I have never seen a leak develop so fast.
Yes, I have pics, but time is short this a.m.
Ed
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M111,
You and I think alike. I too have a paper filter with over 15k on it. Don't ask why, but I do. It held up well.
As for the new trans fluid. Here is my story. So I changed the fluid and filter in the trans. Ripped off my toe nail. All cool right.....NOOOOO. About a week into the new spec fluid, I developed a fast and furious leak at the trans electrical connector. I know it wasn't there before, then boom! Fast leak. I'm attributing it to the new spec fluid. I think the seals got used to the old spec trans fluid, then got exposed to the new fluid, got hard, and well, leaked.
So, yestarday, I had to go back in and change the seals on the round connector from the TCU to the trans. Perhaps I could have done it without dropping the pan, but I did all the work again.
So my recommendation is new fluid = new seals at the TCU to trans connector plug. Perhaps it was time and the new spec fluid has nothing to do with it, but I have never seen a leak develop so fast.
Yes, I have pics, but time is short this a.m.
Ed
You and I think alike. I too have a paper filter with over 15k on it. Don't ask why, but I do. It held up well.
As for the new trans fluid. Here is my story. So I changed the fluid and filter in the trans. Ripped off my toe nail. All cool right.....NOOOOO. About a week into the new spec fluid, I developed a fast and furious leak at the trans electrical connector. I know it wasn't there before, then boom! Fast leak. I'm attributing it to the new spec fluid. I think the seals got used to the old spec trans fluid, then got exposed to the new fluid, got hard, and well, leaked.
So, yestarday, I had to go back in and change the seals on the round connector from the TCU to the trans. Perhaps I could have done it without dropping the pan, but I did all the work again.
So my recommendation is new fluid = new seals at the TCU to trans connector plug. Perhaps it was time and the new spec fluid has nothing to do with it, but I have never seen a leak develop so fast.
Yes, I have pics, but time is short this a.m.
Ed
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Hi guys. Finally got time to write a reply. I had my ATF job done over the weekend. By reading C230 Sport Coup’s C230 Sport Coup's All things AT Transmission related.about 3 times,Everything went smooth and the results were coming together as expected. During 3 days normal drive after ATF flushed.I'd like to say ATF 4134 performed very well.smooth shift through all gears.And i also feel less lag between shifting. All the previous problem related to the tramsmission (gear slipping wont shift etc.)were fixed. The lil coupe runs like new.
Problem found: Bad o-ring at tcu connector lead ATF leak into TCU Connector.
Low level ATF - Only got 2L old ATF from Transmission Pan.In the other word the transmission sort of 2 full litter Fluid.
I am thinkin i will do a half flush (change the ATF in the pan only) after 3000-4000 miles in order to push all the old ATF out of system. Because the old ATF looks really dirty plus i still have 4 bottle ATF left.
So far I personal think ATF 4134 runs better than the ATF 3403 in my lil coupe's transmission (722.6). I will update the resault after 1k mile drive.
Problem found: Bad o-ring at tcu connector lead ATF leak into TCU Connector.
Low level ATF - Only got 2L old ATF from Transmission Pan.In the other word the transmission sort of 2 full litter Fluid.
I am thinkin i will do a half flush (change the ATF in the pan only) after 3000-4000 miles in order to push all the old ATF out of system. Because the old ATF looks really dirty plus i still have 4 bottle ATF left.
So far I personal think ATF 4134 runs better than the ATF 3403 in my lil coupe's transmission (722.6). I will update the resault after 1k mile drive.
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