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Originally posted by Buellwinkle
His top does fold, but it's in the form of a sunroof so it's a partial cabriolet.
His top does fold, but it's in the form of a sunroof so it's a partial cabriolet.
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The Daimler-Chrysler name was to show that the companies are still two business entities (no shared platforms, etc.) and, possibly, not to alienate potential customers in North America.
Now for the de-contenting of Merecedes. The upcoming Chrysler Crossfire interior looks like it was grafted- almost unaltered from the SLK series. The engine is the same corporate 3.2 liter found under the hood in my 320. To me that's fairly dangerous, because once a customer knows he can basically have the same vehicle as an SLK for thousands less, MBZ has created unecessary competition for itself. Don't get me wrong the Crossfire - if it comes to market the way it looked at the car show - will be a very nice car to own. The current Chyrsler 300 "02" can be had with our mirror signals, albeit they are slightly different, but to the untrained eye look the same.
Would this sway me from buying a another Benz? Not exactly, platform or parts sharing is the way of the future. Especially for companies that produce multiple brands or makes.
However, the SL's, 4.3's, 4.6's, & 6.9 Benzes from the 70's that I fell in love with as a kid, could never be accused of such a thing
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I have seen pics of the Crossfire, and I agree, it looks like a nice car. However, I think there is a difference when you compare cross brand parts in the Chrylser/MB and the Jag/Ford. DC is using MB parts in it's chrysler which I would think would be considered an upgrade. I have not heard of any Chrysler parts being used in MBs. Jag is using Ford parts in it's cars which to me would be a down-grade (I'm just grading here based on brand status, and not by quality. After all, we are talking about buyer perception).
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Originally posted by Buellwinkle
Crossfire? Sounds like a Mercedes made Chrysler. Now you not only get an unreliable car but you get crappy service to go with it. Sounds like the old Chrysler TC (Messerati).
Crossfire? Sounds like a Mercedes made Chrysler. Now you not only get an unreliable car but you get crappy service to go with it. Sounds like the old Chrysler TC (Messerati).
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Originally posted by SoCal240/6
Dude, throw in a little punctuation in every now and then. I can't respond to you because I don't have all day to try to figure out what you are even trying to say.
Dude, throw in a little punctuation in every now and then. I can't respond to you because I don't have all day to try to figure out what you are even trying to say.
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Originally posted by Spyke
A coupe is generally defined as a a car with an enclosed body and a max of 2 doors... sometimes used to signify it's shorter than the sedan of the same model. I've never seen anything mentioning that a coupe can't have a hatch. In any case, this is arguably a legitimate use of the word. So what's your definition of the word?
A coupe is generally defined as a a car with an enclosed body and a max of 2 doors... sometimes used to signify it's shorter than the sedan of the same model. I've never seen anything mentioning that a coupe can't have a hatch. In any case, this is arguably a legitimate use of the word. So what's your definition of the word?
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However, the SL's, 4.3's, 4.6's, & 6.9 Benzes from the 70's that I fell in love with as a kid, could never be accused of such a thing
SL's, 3.5, 4.5, & 6.9 Benzes from the 70's that I admired as a kid , could never have been accused of such a thing
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From: Dexter, Michigan, USA
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Originally posted by Mark08859
Actually, this is not quite true. A coupe is a hard top car with two side doors and less than 33 cubic feet of rear interior room. Off the top of my head, I don't know if the MB coupe meets this requirement. Therefore, all two door cars are not coupes. Hope this helps.
Actually, this is not quite true. A coupe is a hard top car with two side doors and less than 33 cubic feet of rear interior room. Off the top of my head, I don't know if the MB coupe meets this requirement. Therefore, all two door cars are not coupes. Hope this helps.
Anywhos, the point remains: The C230 meets the definition of coupe according to a few different sources. Can't say that about a "C240 Cabriolet".
Last edited by Spyke; Jun 6, 2002 at 07:14 PM.
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Originally posted by revstriker
Sounds right up your alley! Of course, they would have to offer free car washes and loaners.
Sounds right up your alley! Of course, they would have to offer free car washes and loaners.
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Honey, I shrunk the XJ...
Originally posted by SoCal240/6
I just call it a "Cabriolet" for that extra panache and cache. Sounds so fancy, so "Grey Poupon." And maybe I'll get more money for it when I sell it someday.
I figure there is nothing wrong with that. Me calling my
C240 a Cabriolet is no worse or wrong than MB calling a Hatchback a "Coupe!"
I just call it a "Cabriolet" for that extra panache and cache. Sounds so fancy, so "Grey Poupon." And maybe I'll get more money for it when I sell it someday.
I figure there is nothing wrong with that. Me calling my
C240 a Cabriolet is no worse or wrong than MB calling a Hatchback a "Coupe!"
Call me what you want, just don't call me late for dinner! :p
I love hatches for their practicality (and so does everyone else in/from Europe) and don't understand why they've got such a bad rap in America?! That's why the Saab 9-3 was a contender. I'm not sure the 2003 has a hatch? With a hatch, I don't need to buy an SUV to get a big gate in the back.
As for the X-type, for that kind of cash, I'll take an Audi A4 any day. It has a superior drivetrain, fit and finish, and it doesn't look like a shrunk A8! It actually feels more roomy in the front (I didn't try the rear seats in any of the two). But that's just me.
Whatever toots your root...
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Re: Honey, I shrunk the XJ...
Originally posted by columbus
You expect Daimler-Benz to call one of their cars a "Sports Hatch"?! Man, I'd like a toke of what you're smokin'...
Call me what you want, just don't call me late for dinner! :p
I love hatches for their practicality (and so does everyone else in/from Europe) and don't understand why they've got such a bad rap in America?! That's why the Saab 9-3 was a contender. I'm not sure the 2003 has a hatch? With a hatch, I don't need to buy an SUV to get a big gate in the back.
As for the X-type, for that kind of cash, I'll take an Audi A4 any day. It has a superior drivetrain, fit and finish, and it doesn't look like a shrunk A8! It actually feels more roomy in the front (I didn't try the rear seats in any of the two). But that's just me.
Whatever toots your root...
You expect Daimler-Benz to call one of their cars a "Sports Hatch"?! Man, I'd like a toke of what you're smokin'...
Call me what you want, just don't call me late for dinner! :p
I love hatches for their practicality (and so does everyone else in/from Europe) and don't understand why they've got such a bad rap in America?! That's why the Saab 9-3 was a contender. I'm not sure the 2003 has a hatch? With a hatch, I don't need to buy an SUV to get a big gate in the back.
As for the X-type, for that kind of cash, I'll take an Audi A4 any day. It has a superior drivetrain, fit and finish, and it doesn't look like a shrunk A8! It actually feels more roomy in the front (I didn't try the rear seats in any of the two). But that's just me.
Whatever toots your root...
actually if you want me to choose between C320 sport, 330i sport, A4 3.0 sport or X-type 3.0 sport i would take the BMW with no question asked. 330i sport is just a much better sport sedan.
if you want me to choose C32, M3, next S4, or future X-type R ...i will take C32 no doubt.
thats just me.
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Originally posted by SoCal240/6
I just call it a "Cabriolet" for that extra panache and cache.
I figure there is nothing wrong with that. Me calling my
C240 a Cabriolet is no worse or wrong than MB calling a Hatchback a "Coupe!"
I just call it a "Cabriolet" for that extra panache and cache.
I figure there is nothing wrong with that. Me calling my
C240 a Cabriolet is no worse or wrong than MB calling a Hatchback a "Coupe!"
If you really want some additional "cachet" that will impress the unwashed masses, may I suggest that you call your C 240 a "Flügeltürer"? It's perhaps even less accurate than calling it a "Cabriolet", but it is even more exclusive-sounding.
But in all seriousness, if you wanted more exclusivity and panache, you definitely should have got a C 230 K Sportcoupé. It's not too late for you to trade up
