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Old 11-07-2007, 07:53 AM
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Is this article true and will these models come to the US?

Bluetec E-Classes will arrive in European showrooms from December, and now Mercedes has revealed the technology will go into the C-Class from 2009. Two models will be available, a C250 returning 57.7mpg fuel economy, and a C300 hybrid with 61.4mpg.
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I saw that information as well, but nobody from MB is commenting on the US market. I would love to test drive one of the new Bluetech C's!
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Is this article true and will these models come to the US?

Bluetec E-Classes will arrive in European showrooms from December, and now Mercedes has revealed the technology will go into the C-Class from 2009. Two models will be available, a C250 returning 57.7mpg fuel economy, and a C300 hybrid with 61.4mpg.
no way, 2009? that would be insane if they had a C with 61.4 mpg, are u kidddin me? that is more than certain japanese hybrids... what is going to have like 160 hp?

i bet by the time it hits the us it will be 2010 or 11
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MB had hoped to expand Bluetec from the E into the other CDI models (ML, GL, R) for 2008 as well as adding a C Bluetec. Now it seems the C will be delayed until 2009, coming in as a 2010 model. It was to be nearly identical to the vision C Bluetec shown earlier this year, based on the C220 CDI sold in Europe.
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Just last week one of our local MBUSA reps told me that when a diesel C shows up here as an '09 model, it will be a four cylinder. Well, 2.2 diesels have already been reviewed in the Euro mags and the 2.2 is not very satisfactory. Noisy and slow. Why we can't have the sold-everywhere-else C V-6 Bluetec is still a mystery to me.

Sinking feeling.
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I remember Auto Motor und Sport ranked the C220 first in its class, and from personal experience it has more than adequate power for the US market.
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Well, 2.2 diesels have already been reviewed in the Euro mags and the 2.2 is not very satisfactory. Noisy and slow.
Sorry, but that's plain garbage. (I'm in the UK, BTW)
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<<Sorry, but that's plain garbage. (I'm in the UK, BTW)>>

Seeing as how you bought one, there's just the tiniest chance......

I suggest you go to germancarzone.com, go to forums and then C-Class and read it for yourself.
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Are you sure you are referring to the latest revision of the 220 engine that came out this year? It is much more powerful, quieter, and more economical than the previous version. I have had the pleasure of trying one and I can say it is by no means noisy or slow.
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<<Sorry, but that's plain garbage. (I'm in the UK, BTW)>>

Seeing as how you bought one, there's just the tiniest chance......

I suggest you go to germancarzone.com, go to forums and then C-Class and read it for yourself.
I suggest you try driving one and making up your own mind - like I did and Untertürkheim did. Oops, sorry you don't get them in the USA, do you?

Is it as refined as the V6 diesel? Not quite, but the difference is small. And it's neither slow nor noisy.
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Well, here's another vote for the 220 CDI - I wish we could buy it here today. It would have been my first choice, if I had the choice to make.
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I don't know if I would have ended up buying it, but I sure would have given it every considereration. Diesel seems like a much more sustainable technology to me then the hybrid tech, which only looks good if you ignore the beginning and the end of the lifecycle.

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the diesels aside, what's the word on new gasoline engines for the 2009 C - will the new direct injection motors be in the 2009 C?
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the diesels aside, what's the word on new gasoline engines for the 2009 C - will the new direct injection motors be in the 2009 C?
From what I know, the CGI engines should make it into the C-class by 2009.
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Is this article true and will these models come to the US?

Bluetec E-Classes will arrive in European showrooms from December, and now Mercedes has revealed the technology will go into the C-Class from 2009. Two models will be available, a C250 returning 57.7mpg fuel economy, and a C300 hybrid with 61.4mpg.
that would be nice, if it does arrives I will replaced my Civic.
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even the new C200 CDI is a nice car and has enough go for most people
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even the new C200 CDI is a nice car and has enough go for most people
Although the problem with the 200 is that it is just a detuned 220, it is the same engine, but with no real gain in fuel economy.
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Just last week one of our local MBUSA reps told me that when a diesel C shows up here as an '09 model, it will be a four cylinder. Well, 2.2 diesels have already been reviewed in the Euro mags and the 2.2 is not very satisfactory. Noisy and slow. Why we can't have the sold-everywhere-else C V-6 Bluetec is still a mystery to me.

Sinking feeling.
It should not be a mystery, if Phil Smart had an E320 and a C320 sitting side by side and the C was about $15000 cheaper, who in their right mind would buy the E320? It would be the end of the E diesel in the US.
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no way, 2009? that would be insane if they had a C with 61.4 mpg, are u kidddin me? that is more than certain japanese hybrids... what is going to have like 160 hp?

i bet by the time it hits the us it will be 2010 or 11
You are probably right, I doubt c300 will have a new engine option by 2009, not becaues of technology but rather marketing.

60mpg is nothing to the japanese. 09 prius is already looking at 80mpg.
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Originally Posted by dbriches View Post
Is this article true and will these models come to the US?

Bluetec E-Classes will arrive in European showrooms from December, and now Mercedes has revealed the technology will go into the C-Class from 2009. Two models will be available, a C250 returning 57.7mpg fuel economy, and a C300 hybrid with 61.4mpg.
wow never heard of it yet, but that will be awesome..
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It should not be a mystery, if Phil Smart had an E320 and a C320 sitting side by side and the C was about $15000 cheaper, who in their right mind would buy the E320? It would be the end of the E diesel in the US.
Well, exactly the same reason why there is a C350 next to the E350, and a E550 next to the S550. Different people have different priorities... more power vs. more space. Based on the needs of my new family, I may need to move to a E-class next.
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Although the problem with the 200 is that it is just a detuned 220, it is the same engine, but with no real gain in fuel economy.

true but in Norway the c200 is about 60,000 Nok cheaper, this means you can tick more option box's, if you spend about 10,000 Nok with Carlsson for a CD20 Power Box you get all the missing hp's back.
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