mosquad

I just spoke to a dealer and he told me they'll have a C230 coming out around May 2008.
It'll be selling for $35,800 CDN with the same standard options as the C300.
Only difference of course is HP which is 201 HP.

430752

Geez, who'd a thunk Mercedes USA is that much of a ***** to sell an even less powered ride than the c300 just to make a buck. I mean the c300 is like the mendoza line, any less and it would be cut from the team. Oh well, I guess there are punters out there who want the look but can't even afford the c300, and mercedes will sell itself no matter the hit it takes to its reputation

MBTex

C230 will only be in Canada. MBUSA has no plans to bring it to the US.

OP is Canadian.

I agree with the general premise though. That was the argument about losing the C coupe...

mosquad

Now they will have the equivalent of the BMW 323i (200HP).

angeloxnet

i would rather have a CDI version of the new C

MBTex

+1....Bluetech C should be on its way in a year or two. 300+ hp and 35 mpg.

CinOttawa

Well if you have noticed you americans get to free ride and pay less for a c350 than what it would cost us canadians to pay for a c230....

Most of the world would have your point of view if a c350 came for $36K but it doesn't...the poor guys in Australia pay around $100k for a fully loaded C300 equivalent so quit your condescending attitude towards the less fortunate....that 'punter' will pay quite a bit more for his C230 than you paid for your C300....it might have nothing to do with their 'power' aspirations and more to do with MBUSA shoving a golden spoon up your.....well you know what.

Sorry , i am having a slow day and needed to vent...

mosquad

this is a good model for someone who doesn't care about horse power (this a Benz anyways, if you want horse power get a C350 or a beamer!)
As for the price, US prices are much lower (and salaries higher!.... and taxes are lower!) so it's good for Canadians to have this model; in fact, I think I'm gonna go for it.

Mr_Mojo

Well said, my thoughts too! I paid £35k for a loaded C220 CDI Sport in the UK, nearly $70k US!

G.Man

Big + 1

I paid $80k on the road for my C200K that's around US$70k.

RLE

<<Bluetech C should be on its way in a year or two. 300+ hp and 35 mpg>.

Current Bluetec V-6 is 210hp. Where's the extra 90hp coming from?

Untertürkheim

I happen to agree with the C230 critics, but for a different reason.

The 2.5L V-6 has no purpose:
It consumes more fuel than the C200 2.0 I4 Kompressor but delivers barely more power & torque, plus it is more expensive.
It consumes more fuel than the C320CDI and offers less power and much less torque.
It consumes MUCH more fuel than the C220CDI and has much less torque, although more hp, price is close from what I remember.

Bottom line, I cannot think of any reason anyone would buy this car as long as all the other models are available.

430752

The guys in Australia also get v8 Holdens (and others), so I ain't cyring for them one bit! . And I wasn't trying to be condescending, I was merely trying to point out that less than a c300 wouldn't be worth it....at just about any price!

aansonsit

hihi i just ask my saleman today (Jan 03 2008) in Markham CANADA!! C230 will come on Feb 2008 ,"Almost" same as C300 sport interior(must cheaper look than) , but exterior AMG side skirts, front & rear aprons(sport package) Must be a option! Engine of couse weak!!

mosquad

What you say sounds good, but if we consider only the canadian market (the models compared to above are not offered here), i.e. looking at only C230, C300, and C350. The C230 should consume less fuel than the other 2, of course with less power and torque. The question then would be: is the loss of power worth $5,200 CDN (+ tax = $670) = $5,870 CDN? I believe the answer depends on how much one values power...

RLE

<<I paid $80k on the road for my C200K that's around US$70k.>>

That kind of money will buy a heavily optioned E320 Bluetec in the US.

RLE

<<Geez, who'd a thunk Mercedes USA is that much of a ***** to sell an even less powered ride than the c300 just to make a buck..........>>

MB Canada and MBUSA are different companies.

Untertürkheim

My post was not about the decision to offer the car, but rather a criticism that they decided to produce this engine. The C300 has a place offering 6-cyl power and nearly 10% fuel economy than the C350 with a manual option. But the C230 only consumes 0,1 l/100km less than the C300, making it what seems to be the return of the 260E/300E 2.6, a less powered, equally efficient, less expensive, and unwanted iteration of what it should have been.

mosquad

May I ask how you got the 10% figure?
By looking at the technical info of the C300 and C350 I got different figures:
C350:
HP: 268
city: 12.2
highway: 7.9

C300:
HP: 228
city: 11.7
highway: 7.7

Thus a difference of:
HP: 40 (14.93%)
city: 0.5 (4.10%)
highway: 0.2 (2.53%)

Since the C230 is not available yet, I don't have the info.
Maybe your 10% is based on other information (European models maybe? I don't know where you're from ), but let me know if I'm missing something. thanks!

Note: Data obtained from:
C300: http://www.mercedes-benz.ca/index.cfm?id=6529
C350: http://www.mercedes-benz.ca/index.cfm?id=6131

mosquad

I went to MB Germany and did my best to understand german
This is what I found:
C350:
HP: 272
city: 14.05
highway: 7.65

C280:
HP: 231
city: 13.5
highway: 6.9

Thus, a difference of:
HP: 41 (5.07%)
city:0.55 (3.91%)
highway: 0.75 (9.80%) maybe this is what you were referring to?

Now, comparing the C280 with the C230:
C230:
HP: 204
city: 13.4
highway: 6.8

Thus, a difference of:
HP: 27 (11.69%)
city: 0.1 (0.74%)
highway: 0.1 (1.45%) note how low this is compared to C280 VS C350 (above)

In Canada, however, it's not the same (see previous post); now, I just hope that the Canadian C230 will have a reasonable fuel consumption economy from the C300.

Note: data obtained from: http://www.mercedes-benz.de/content/...ical_data.html

Untertürkheim

I was referring the the EU fuel economy ratings for highway and combined (I do not drive very much in the city), I find them to usually be more accurate.

But yes, you illustrated what I was talking about, a very large percentage power loss and basically no gain in fuel economy.

Compared to a diesel though:
The C300 uses 46% MORE fuel than the C320 CDI in the city driving cycle, plus the CDI has faster acceleration.

harkgar

The Australian government levies a 100% tax on all new motor cars. Ditto with Hong Kong. Everytime you buy a car for yourself you buy the government a new one too. In Singapore one year's road tax (plate sticker) is something like US$800.00 and you can go into the city centre every other day only (for the rich they buy at least 2 cars). It sucks.

The taxing pigs' excuses are the same all over the world:

1) To ease traffic congestion (only the rich can drive).
2) To ease "go-go warning" or whatever Al Goo calls it.

They conveniently left out the real reason which is to screw the general population over as many times as they can get away with it.

RLE

<<.Bluetech C should be on its way in a year or two. 300+ hp and 35 mpg.>>

As I posted some time back, our local MBUSA rep told me recently that when the C diesel shows up in the US, it will be the 2.2 4-cylinder, probably the same 220D sold elsewhere.

I guess they realize that putting the V-6 Bluetec in the C would put a serious dent in E sales.

G.Man

Your right that the Australian Tax's are high but the car alone still cost more than what you pay in the US. Below is the breakdown on what I paid.


C200K = $49455.45
Iridium Silver = $1648.47
Avantguarde Pack = $4945.41
Command Aps System = $3383.70
Vision Pack = $3904.27
Dealer Delivery $2559.47
Discount = $124.88
Total = $65761.89 (without tax)

Rego = $600.00
10% GST = $6576.19
Luxury Car Tax = $3457.92 (rip off tax)
Stamp Duty = $3704.00 (rip off tax)

Grand Total $80100.00

Love the car but not the price we have to pay to protect our local (Holden & Ford) car manufacturing.

Not Happy Jan

G.Man

Yes we do get SS & SSV V8 Holdens but no longer the Monaro (Pontiac GTO), work this out the GTO was built here in Aus then sent to the US and was sold for several thousand dollars cheaper than we could buy it for here and I'm talking before tax's.

Aus Toyota Corolla is $20999 - $31999 ex tax

US Toyota Corolla $14,405 - $16405 ex tax

All car manufactures are ripping off the Australian car buyers compared to the US prices.