Supercharging Question
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The marketing strategy that you mention for Dinan is pretty standard. Most recently, I asked for warranty coverage from RennTech for a bad install on a SuperCharger pulley that ended up killing the motor. Things happen and you do pay to play.
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He said he could fabricate a plenum and an intercooler and make custom pulleys but all that would take time for him and simply not cost effective labor wise.. Parts would be cheaper than kleeman but much harder and possibly laden with hidden costs and the possibility for messing up the car is greater.
On that note be did say that he had been given a special introductory quote from kleenan a while back. I'm going to call in tommorow and see what he came up with.
Kenne bell is allways busy so I am writing them an e- mail to see if they can use my car to develop a supercharger kit for our cars.
If all fails I will do a TT with LET after I leave the state.
On that note be did say that he had been given a special introductory quote from kleenan a while back. I'm going to call in tommorow and see what he came up with.
Kenne bell is allways busy so I am writing them an e- mail to see if they can use my car to develop a supercharger kit for our cars.
If all fails I will do a TT with LET after I leave the state.
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well, lets get it going then. i have some good connections but by the sound of things, not as good as yours so anything i can do...i'm happy to help.
freaking CA people...you guys have the flat roads, most of the tuners and all the fun. roads in boston look like roads in iraq from the plows....VERY jealous.
freaking CA people...you guys have the flat roads, most of the tuners and all the fun. roads in boston look like roads in iraq from the plows....VERY jealous.
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Will Evosport be making an underdrive pulley system for the car? It would seem to make sense, seeing as how they've done it for most all of the other NA Benzes.
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I have not heard of EVO working on this, but I have the old contacts. I'll get some feelers out.
Simplest is air filters. We need the dimensions, etc. so that we can get some made up.
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This is pretty much the most exciting thread on this forum right now. 
I asked this questions earlier, but to achieve a bit more understanding on my part: how much of this work being discussed here will be applicable for the 3.0 engine? 10%, 60%, or 85%? Just trying to get a ball-park figure.
I'm hoping for 95%--everything transferable except for a few minor parts here and there--but that's probably not gonna happen. hehe.
I asked this questions earlier, but to achieve a bit more understanding on my part: how much of this work being discussed here will be applicable for the 3.0 engine? 10%, 60%, or 85%? Just trying to get a ball-park figure.
I'm hoping for 95%--everything transferable except for a few minor parts here and there--but that's probably not gonna happen. hehe.
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ok a few things...I probably should just let it go, try to save face and keep my mouth shut but i couldn't drop it last night. i called a few of my old m3/dinan buddies and tried my hardest to find a way to win this argument but alas, i was wrong. now i need to apologize for wasting time with the back and forth, even if it made for good heated conversation. at one time steve dinan and bmw did have a formal agreement that he could openly crack bmw codes, use them and they would somewhat endorse his products. until recently bmw did honor the factory warranty on the car as long as the malfunction wasn't related directly to the dinan part (which you can still sort of get away with today depending on the dealer). bmw sent out a flash saying no longer will that be honored. now here is where i was confused. dinan will (still) honor the original factory warranty on their parts as long as the vehicle is still under the 5yr or 50k original warranty. if the car is out of factory warranty there is a 2 yr dinan warranty on the part. so they do sort of work together...but break it down, black and white, i was wrong, and you guys were right. ugh. "you play, you pay" still holds oh so true.
2nd, i promised to post info last night when i got home but i never got home last night so i swung by this morning and grabbed my folder on the way to the office. i guess i didn't have the tranny specs i hoped i had but i "think" this is accurate, i called a local MB dealership to double check and they said it sounded about right and emailed me...
LOAD CAPACITY: 2008 C Class transmission is 700ftNm
that is how it appeared in the email so thats what i'm posting.
2nd, i promised to post info last night when i got home but i never got home last night so i swung by this morning and grabbed my folder on the way to the office. i guess i didn't have the tranny specs i hoped i had but i "think" this is accurate, i called a local MB dealership to double check and they said it sounded about right and emailed me...
LOAD CAPACITY: 2008 C Class transmission is 700ftNm
that is how it appeared in the email so thats what i'm posting.
I'm glad to see this, as the tranny was proving to be my first concern!
With this new found info, I'm going to call my tuners and start discussing ideas.
Ron
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the boost would have to be low on the C350 and even lower on the C300 (around 6 -7 psi) because of the compression of these engines. Someone would need to design taller headgaskets to reduce the compression so more boost could be added.
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narky: I have access to a C350 and a C300 so we can try to include as much for the 300 as we can. We may even be lucky and some of the pulleys may be the same?
Air filters are easy. I'll get them rolling first and again we'll have to see if the 300 and 350 share any parts. I'll speak to VRP about the parts. I know they don't have the time to put into performance parts for these cars, but Vadim may help "sponsor" us along with some advice and contacts.
As for the boost, I only plan on adding about 5 anyway because of the high compression. Assuming there is enough room, I would like to get some phenolic spacers made up to help with heat soak and the boost. The cost is low and it will give us a look into the intake.
Lastly, the tranny. Anyone who knows me knows how hard I have been on the 7g but it has come a long way. I'm still not so happy with the smoothness, but they are pretty strong.
Air filters are easy. I'll get them rolling first and again we'll have to see if the 300 and 350 share any parts. I'll speak to VRP about the parts. I know they don't have the time to put into performance parts for these cars, but Vadim may help "sponsor" us along with some advice and contacts.
As for the boost, I only plan on adding about 5 anyway because of the high compression. Assuming there is enough room, I would like to get some phenolic spacers made up to help with heat soak and the boost. The cost is low and it will give us a look into the intake.
Lastly, the tranny. Anyone who knows me knows how hard I have been on the 7g but it has come a long way. I'm still not so happy with the smoothness, but they are pretty strong.
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ok a few things...I probably should just let it go, try to save face and keep my mouth shut but i couldn't drop it last night. i called a few of my old m3/dinan buddies and tried my hardest to find a way to win this argument but alas, i was wrong. now i need to apologize for wasting time with the back and forth, even if it made for good heated conversation. at one time steve dinan and bmw did have a formal agreement that he could openly crack bmw codes, use them and they would somewhat endorse his products. until recently bmw did honor the factory warranty on the car as long as the malfunction wasn't related directly to the dinan part (which you can still sort of get away with today depending on the dealer). bmw sent out a flash saying no longer will that be honored. now here is where i was confused. dinan will (still) honor the original factory warranty on their parts as long as the vehicle is still under the 5yr or 50k original warranty. if the car is out of factory warranty there is a 2 yr dinan warranty on the part. so they do sort of work together...but break it down, black and white, i was wrong, and you guys were right. ugh. "you play, you pay" still holds oh so true.
2nd, i promised to post info last night when i got home but i never got home last night so i swung by this morning and grabbed my folder on the way to the office. i guess i didn't have the tranny specs i hoped i had but i "think" this is accurate, i called a local MB dealership to double check and they said it sounded about right and emailed me...
LOAD CAPACITY: 2008 C Class transmission is 700ftNm
that is how it appeared in the email so thats what i'm posting.
2nd, i promised to post info last night when i got home but i never got home last night so i swung by this morning and grabbed my folder on the way to the office. i guess i didn't have the tranny specs i hoped i had but i "think" this is accurate, i called a local MB dealership to double check and they said it sounded about right and emailed me...
LOAD CAPACITY: 2008 C Class transmission is 700ftNm
that is how it appeared in the email so thats what i'm posting.
LOL
Thanks for the stats though. I will try harder to convert the units. I hope it's somewhere around 500 lb/ft just to have a 150lb/ft cushion.
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Multiply ft/NM by 0.7370. Here 700 ft/NM becomes 515.9 ft/Lbs.
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i heard that the oil the k&n's cloggs up the mass airflow sensors.
If it can handle 500 then i'm good. The differential or the torque converter might be the weaker links.
Not going to floor it much but 500 is a good level. Car will probably end up making somewhere in between 330 and 370 peak. Mostly around 250 in normal driving low rpm situations. I should be ok. hopefully.
If it can handle 500 then i'm good. The differential or the torque converter might be the weaker links.
Not going to floor it much but 500 is a good level. Car will probably end up making somewhere in between 330 and 370 peak. Mostly around 250 in normal driving low rpm situations. I should be ok. hopefully.
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Was that with one oiled from the factory or from you re-oiling it? I never reuse mine. they are $50 bucks, so I put about 20K miles on them and get a new set. Again, I am not talking about getting the K&N namebrand. I am just planning on a mesh vs paper or sponge.
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Too many of the greens have failed in the cars for me to even consider that. Simple performance numbers don't count if the part fails so readily. the issue before was the resin they used in the housing. It was basically heating up and turning soft, then it would give and drop the filter into the airway when the car made a nice suck. VERY SCARY!! Also, even when it was brought to their attention, all they did was supposedly change formulations. They didn't bother replacing any of the old ones or even letting the clients know. Then, we found out that they continued to sell the old formulation until they were done, KNOWING that some fail. That was game over for me. On the flip side, I have been with K&N for over 25 years. they sponsored me for a season with my M3 and were always very adamant about proving that their filters did not hurt the cars IF used properly.
