racetested

Here is what I was able to translate from the pdf I was sent in German.

Please no whining about prices as it's about exclusivity and branding just like many things in life and companies can't control currency variations. Right now our dollar sucks(date:8-01-08) against the Euro.

http://www.vaeth.com/tuning.php

C 350 - Optimization of engine electronics V35 (also 4Matic)
Individual one fine vote of engine electronics with V-max 167mph, inclusive sport air cleaners. (Still you receive more achievement over camshaft kits and specialized elbow union plant).
• capacity: 3,498 cm ³
• achievement: 295 HP
• torque: 272 ft lbs. starting from 2400 rpm
• maximum speed: 167mph
• Fuel: Superplus (RON 98)
• exhaust standard: invariably
Price = $1851


C 350 - Tuning kit V35s
Sport camshafts, classical revision of the cylinder heads for increased air volume, individual vote of engine electronics with V-max rise, inclusive sport air cleaner.
• Capacity: 3,498 cm ³
• achievement: 325 HP
• torque: 295 ft lbs starting from 3500 rpm
• maximum speed: 275 km/h
• Fuel: Superplus (RON 98)
• exhaust standard: invariably
Price = $8242


Fuel Radiator Cooler
Fuel has a higher density. The efficiency is increased clearly. Strongly improved burn guarantees outstanding exhaust gas values, to smaller Sprit consumption, lower combustion chamber temperature and more achievement. For strongly stressed engines and for all customers, who want particularly to maintain your VÄTH and/or Mercedes engine. Inclusive hoses and fittings.
Price = $2317


VÄTH Differential
For all C-classes with automatic transmission. Improved traction and acceleration, improved circling hold back. Not only for the racing course. Inclusive installation, inclusive new vote of the transmission control, inclusive new adaptation of the ESP.
Price = $5902


VÄTH high speed brake assembly for C 180 to C 350
High speed brake assembly in front and in the back. For all C-classes W204.
• 360 mm of 6 pistons brake assembly at the front axle with brake calipers and brake lining set, as well as running brake fluid Castrol SRF and steel flex brake hoses.
• 320 mm of 4 pistons brake assembly in the back with brake caliper, brake disks and surface set.
Caution: There is necessarily at least 18 tariff rims with appropriate H-measure of the front axle.
Price = $6998



Sport Chassis Springs
VÄTH setting lower for C 180 - C 350, C200 CDI - C 320 CDI: 30 mm with setting lower feathers/springs. Sportly and nevertheless comfortably and surely.
Price $435



VÄTH Carbon Lip
To the improvement of the aerodynamics, less lift. Substantially sportier and nobler optics. C classes with AMG optics.
Price = $1835


VÄTH Front Lip
To the improvement of the aerodynamics, less lift. Substantially sportier and nobler optics for C classes without AMG optics.
Price = $1324


VÄTH Carbon Tail Diffuser
For C classes with AMG optics. From carbon.
Price = $1713


VÄTH Tail Diffuser
For C classes without AMG optics. From carbon.
Price = $1324



VÄTH Tail Lip
For the trunk for all C classes.
Price = $389


VÄTH Tail Lip
For the trunk (in carbon optics) for all C classes.
Price = $701


VÄTH Radiator Grille (without star)
Price = $919


Sport Steering Wheel
Leather, when desired with wood or carbon application. Note: Steering wheels may be inserted only by trained workshops.
Price = $1697


Carbon Interior Classical Black Carbon
For the refinement of the interiors. High-quality raw material from the aircraft construction. Highest precision in processing and perfect passport form are guaranteed. Handmade in Germany. - Center console 4 divides (climatic screen, ashtray, cooling, sound console).
Price = $1900
Door screen 4 pieces = $724
Seat adjustment rh and left = $523


186mph Speedometer
Price = $1526


Pedals for Automatic Vehicles
3 set (parking brake, brake pedal, accelerator pedal). Silver with skid-proof plastic burls, with black VÄTH logo.
Price = $234


High Grade Steel Door Pin
For detail highly polished and chromium plates from heavy quality. With VÄTH logo 4 pieces.
Price = $93


Set of Floor Mats
4 piece set: Black velour, high-quality soft material, strainable. Silver logo.
Price = $296


VÄTH vehicle identification plate signature for the tail cover, VÄTH in chromium plating single letters.
Price = $23


VÄTH emblem for the front hood: round emblem with black background and chrome VÄTH logo.
Price = $23

yxc145

here are some pictures of the VATH body kit for C63.
The front lip looks pretty good. I wonder if it will fit on the regular C class.
The rear diffusor and spoiler aren't my taste... they stick out too much..

Ape

I would pay $1900 for 27 HP increase, but if I read it correctly it requires a higher grade of gas then we tryically see here in the US? Also, it is unclear to me if this is the increases based soley from an engine tune, or do you need to add other parts (ie. exhust) to get to the 295 mark?

yxc145

I still think $1800 is a lot though... it's just hard to believe we pay probably 38000 for the whole car and they are charging $2000 for just a software.....

The front is awesome though.. i think it's prettier than the Euro teck one and probably won't cause the rubbing issue when lower the car.
Once again $1800 is crazy. Can someone out there make something similar?!!!!!!

racetested

I am highly considering the $1900 for this package as well as it's not outrageous IMO considering what we have for options. But it's all relative to what is important.

The 98 RON is equal to our 91 or 93 R+M octane.

This package is tune and air filters.

MKB offers similar power but is around $2300.

I have no idea why Renntech is only offering 10-12hp.

racetested

The second stage kit with cams for $8000 is crazy for a car likes ours but considering I used to spend thousands on wheels for my last vehicles I can justify the same or less amount on an extra 30hp.

yxc145

well, you can go with Speed Innovation chip. 20 HP increase for only 1/4 the price.

the prices on those engine upgrades are so $$. when you add them up, you can probably get a C63 already. but can all those upgrades push a C350 to 450 hp?

racetested

LET is local to me as well and I may go that route. Plenty of time to think about things as the car will be parked for the winter in a few months anyways and we'll see what some more time and Spring brings.

I have no desire to compete with a big bore motor like the C63 and don't expect to. Car for car you are looking at $20k more. Quite a bit more than the $1900 for this ECU tune.

A person could be patient and wait a few years for used C63's but knowing how beat cars like that are it''s hard for me to pay $40k+. That's the reason I went with a new C350 over a used C55.

yxc145

Oh, of course, 330 to 350 is a lot of power already! i think that will be super fast already. I can't imagine how fast 451 hp is....

It's more the money issue... all those money spent, but still the car can't get the same level of power.

But maybe some people don't have the money all at once to get the bigger engine car and just slowly do each upgrade. or maybe they just enjoy modifying the car.

narky

Sprechen Sie Deutsche?

Any info for us under-powered C300s over there?

racetested

Or a little of each. I can afford a C63 but I can't say I make enough to justify the depreciation. IMO a person would have to make well into the six figures to justify around $800 a month depreciation on a car that the C63 will suffer in it's first few years. That is a house payment in many areas(not mine unfortunately). At my age(mid 30's) I am more worried about a solid retirement plan and my family being secure than spending a big chunk of my check on a car that is bleeding money. A C350 is justifiable for my wages a C63 at $20k more is not.

Narky,
No listing for C300's but I'm sure there are or can be if you asked around and with some time. My opinion on the matter is it's hard for a power junky like myself to justify dumping money into power adders for a C350 yet being at a 40hp deficit with the 300. Learn when to say when and just move on to a higher hp car or accept what you have.

Petje

What's this??

Dont know if there;s a dealer in the US but IC-Chiptuning makes software who gives the C350 the following, and here it's about $ 1100,00

Performance 200 kW / 272 hp to 212 kW / 288 hp
Torque 350 Nm @ 2500-5000 rpm to 370 Nm @ 2800-5000 rpm.
Top speed 250 km/h 285 km/h


NEIN kein producte fur den C300

They don't mention the C300, but there is an explanation about this...

The C300 doesn't excist here in Europe, we have the C230 and the C280, which doesnt excist in the US.

yxc145

[QUOTE=racetested;2970356]Or a little of each. I can afford a C63 but I can't say I make enough to justify the depreciation. IMO a person would have to make well into the six figures to justify around $800 a month depreciation on a car that the C63 will suffer in it's first few years. That is a house payment in many areas(not mine unfortunately). At my age(mid 30's) I am more worried about a solid retirement plan and my family being secure than spending a big chunk of my check on a car that is bleeding money. A C350 is justifiable for my wages a C63 at $20k more is not.

Racetested, do you plan on spending $15,000 to 20,000 to get your car up to 350HP?

yxc145

does the IC tuning ECU upgrade require opening the box and breaking the seal?

Flame3g

don't you worry we will have our time to shine

racetested

Not at all or anywhere near those amounts. I'd be a hypocrite if I did.

I'll share my info in another thread once I achieve what I want. I'm not one to speculate and will wait until proven information is available.

Ape

Is the Vath an ECU tune or a plug-in chip? If it is ECU does this mean that we would need to ship the unit to then in the EU or is there someone here is the US that it would be shipped to? If going to the EU, I would think you may be w/o a car for quite some time when you factor is the shipping time as well.

I wish MB would just offer a tune through the dealership that was mfg approved, did not impact warranty and was not cost prohibitive. I would gladly pay $2000 for another 30 hp from the factory.

yxc145

My dealer offers RennTech ECU upgrade and said they are willing to cover the warranty. The reason is, the upgrade doesn't require opening up the block and replace the chip. it's a software flash just like how BMW doeks it. c So, check with your dealer. they may have something similar.

Ape

Is it the RennTech that gives you 10-12 hp increase, or is there a different one? How much is the flash through the dealer?

yxc145

I didn't ask. I am pretty sure it's the same weak axx ECU upgrade.
they charge around $1800. probably get a 10% discount. But in my opinion. Not worth the money.
ECU upgrade of any kind will most definitely void the MB warranty. The reason this one is ok is because it's not an open box chip replacement and it's done at the dealer. So it's actually becomes a DEALER warranty.

The reason I am saying this is because. The accessory/aftermarket part manager told me. If something goes wrong and the ECU needs to be sent back to MB Germany. They will reflash the computer back to original before sending it.

Petje

I think it's OBD tuning, so they don't have to open your ECU but i don't know it for sure. May be you can contact them??

Glock Guru

that rear defuser would look sweet on a C63 or regular C class for that matter.


-Troy

Petje

Guys, don't take the prices to serius, i have contacted VÄTH about the Grill, the prices above are old prices ( i had the same price list as above, they send it last week to me)

The Grill is about € 1300,00

That's to much for a grill....

Here is a reply of my email with VÄTH:


Daniel Welzbacher schreef:> Hallo Patrick.>> Der Kühlergrill für die C-Klasse W 204 ist eine Spezialanfertigung und noch in der Entwicklung.
Lieferzeit beträgt ca. 4 Wochen.
Der Preis incl. Versand und Steuer beträgt 1.300 €.
Eine Direkt Lieferung ist gegen Vorkasse möglich.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Welzbacher

Hallo Daniel,
Der kunde hat ein preisleiste (PDF) und hat ein grill gesehen: VÄTH- Kühlergrill (ohne Stern)Für allen C- Klassen 590,00 € 702,10 €Lackierung 150,00 € 178,50 €Montage 25,00 € 29,75 € Ist das ein andere Grill ?


Hallo Patrick.
Die Preisliste ist leider nicht aktuell.
Der aktuelle Preis liegt mit Steuer und versand bei 1.300 €.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Daniel Welzbacher ******************************************** VÄTH Automobiltechnik GmbH

racetested

We don't pay the high tax you do but the grill is still very expensive even if the tax was taken off.

racetested

Unfortunately the cool looking engine cover will not work for us neither. It's just a stock cover from a C320 CDI V6(not available in the US, yet anyways) that is painted.

http://www.vaeth.com/tuning_modelle_...=c-klasse_w204