W204 used in the new A4 commercial!
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The 2009 A4 interior doesn't look like 'progress' compared to the 2008 RS4. Sure it has more bottons and knobs, but the design isn't as sporty or stylish. I don't like the bland 4-spoke steering wheel, the less stylish rectangular air vents, and the nav screen that forms an unattractive and not very well integrated hump on the dash. I must admit the finish and quality of materials do have an edge over our Cs.
like the 3 ring dash board, square air-vents, same type of a/c control unit, from the 203 and 204 are all that different. the 204 also has a "bland 4-spoke" standard in the classic and elegance model.
also, "not very well integrated hump"? where did you see the hump exactly? The top dash on the B8 is one piece flows through to the middle and comes right down. This is not the E90 that actually HAS the hump or the w204 Comand that looks like something aftermarket/after-thought.
no offense, but I rather you just said "it's not your style" than making stupid biased comments.
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You are too funny man. I'm beginning to think you work for Audi. You take Audi's studio interior shot which probably cost 5k to produce and compare it to a camera phone picture of the c300?
These two are probably better pictures to compare against
![](http://upload.moldova.org/auto/MB/2008_Mercedes_C-Class_3.jpg)
![](https://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/sedans/9489081/112_0706_05z+2008_mercedes_benz_c_class+interior.jpg)
With that being said, I do like the new A4 interior
- (it's almost as nice as the w204)
These two are probably better pictures to compare against
![](http://upload.moldova.org/auto/MB/2008_Mercedes_C-Class_3.jpg)
![](https://image.motortrend.com/f/roadtests/sedans/9489081/112_0706_05z+2008_mercedes_benz_c_class+interior.jpg)
With that being said, I do like the new A4 interior
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Curious if they will be using the same engines in the 09's? They mention at the end "fastest" car in it's class. Would love to see what they have that they feel is quicker than BMW's twin turbo 335. Plus BMW has the 335 twin turbo diesels being released for 09' which in every article I've read about it so far, refers to the car as a "torque monster" pulling hard on even the gasoline powered 335's. Anyone know if they have any new engines or increase in power for 09'?
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I like the interior layout of the W204 but the material being used in the current A4 is definitely much better than the W204. Actually, in my opinion, most of the other MBs use better material than the W204 and I almost feel like it is more a W204 problem than anything else.
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To those who will continue to criticize me in this thread: please read what other members have posted. There's now a significant number of members that have either criticized the w204 interior design and/or materials, even agreeing that the A4 interior is nicer.
So can we stop the personal insults and continue our critical review of the cars? or are we all that attached to our cars we cannot separate personal attacks from critical thinking?
So can we stop the personal insults and continue our critical review of the cars? or are we all that attached to our cars we cannot separate personal attacks from critical thinking?
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This is where I step in I went to the collection dealer where I live. I ask there a gentalman plese assit me with the Audi A4 A6 A8 . I drove them all they lack grip on the road they would slide on turns. How can one say audi is a better car. They would just slide off the road at exesssive speeds while turning them sharp. MAn my c 350 everyone say it pasted to the road it glued. Tell me all am i correct or what. Plus look ok
this car the so mercedes that took 7 years to build. Was tested all over the world china africa antartica alsaka drive 14 million mile built to perfection . HOw dare one say the audi is a better car to me its junk. Seven years to build this new c class 80 to Zero stop in 3 seconds. Come on now whos got an edge on performance and quality have you all seen the videos how the c class was tested. Do your research and see the intense testing of this car..........this car what even taken features out like no memory seat or mirrow turn down on reverse. Why so consumer report giv eit high rating without and electrical glicthes. This car was built on a track. Plus remember no one else than mercedes build a car to be driven all day at an excess of 130 non stop .other car maker build car to be driven to point a to point b... Just make me furuios when other dont know what here talking about ...mercedes might look rough in interior but it a better built car
this car the so mercedes that took 7 years to build. Was tested all over the world china africa antartica alsaka drive 14 million mile built to perfection . HOw dare one say the audi is a better car to me its junk. Seven years to build this new c class 80 to Zero stop in 3 seconds. Come on now whos got an edge on performance and quality have you all seen the videos how the c class was tested. Do your research and see the intense testing of this car..........this car what even taken features out like no memory seat or mirrow turn down on reverse. Why so consumer report giv eit high rating without and electrical glicthes. This car was built on a track. Plus remember no one else than mercedes build a car to be driven all day at an excess of 130 non stop .other car maker build car to be driven to point a to point b... Just make me furuios when other dont know what here talking about ...mercedes might look rough in interior but it a better built car
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I'd say the commercial was absolutely perfect. It got all of your attention and got you talking about their product, good or bad.
And, sorry, when I associate the mercedes brand with stodgy "old-world" style so it made perfect sense to me. I know Merc is trying to pull themselves away from that image.
On the flip-side why is everybody so excited about the new A4? I'm hoping I change my mind when I see it in person, but it just looks soggy toast bland to my eyes (I've owned two previous Audis and my wife currently drives a Q7 ... so I typically like Audis).
And, sorry, when I associate the mercedes brand with stodgy "old-world" style so it made perfect sense to me. I know Merc is trying to pull themselves away from that image.
On the flip-side why is everybody so excited about the new A4? I'm hoping I change my mind when I see it in person, but it just looks soggy toast bland to my eyes (I've owned two previous Audis and my wife currently drives a Q7 ... so I typically like Audis).
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Plus remember no one else than mercedes build a car to be driven all day at an excess of 130 non stop .other car maker build car to be driven to point a to point b... Just make me furuios when other dont know what here talking about ...mercedes might look rough in interior but it a better built car
Other cars built, "to be driven all day at an excess of 130 non stop" include: Any Ferrari, any Lamborghini, Bugatti Veyron, BMW, Audi, Aston Martin ... the list goes on and on, those are just off the top of my head. Sorry, the C class is one step above basic transportation. But, don't let me burst your bubble.
BTW, if this car is "built to perfection" then I've experienced cars that must've been built to perfection +1.
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To those who will continue to criticize me in this thread: please read what other members have posted. There's now a significant number of members that have either criticized the w204 interior design and/or materials, even agreeing that the A4 interior is nicer.
So can we stop the personal insults and continue our critical review of the cars? or are we all that attached to our cars we cannot separate personal attacks from critical thinking?
So can we stop the personal insults and continue our critical review of the cars? or are we all that attached to our cars we cannot separate personal attacks from critical thinking?
It's been my experience that people (typically still in their early social development) are quick to jump on folks from their safe, anonymous, perch behind the screen.
Better to learn how to shake it off and continue on your way since it is so prevalent.
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ATSOBE, does come across a bit excited. But I have to agree with him or her. I think what ATSOBE is saying, is the car is fantastic value for the money. I have also heard how the engines are put thought the ringer to last at high speeds for prolonged times. Lets no slam ATSOBE too much here, im sure he realizes that lambo and Ferrari are on diffent playing fields. But concidering what the C is, its the top of its class right now.
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Where did I "praise" the IS-F exhaust. I even pointed out its fake.
That's great your friends like it, I think its terrible. The plastic dash reminds me of older 80s cars, its rough and terrible to clean as dust gets trapped in all the crevices.
I understand why MB changed, the interior on my w203 is not durable. Yet in making a durable dash, they make it look awful.
Now you can keep bashing my comments, or accept I think the W204 is terrible, you think its great, and we can move on.
That's great your friends like it, I think its terrible. The plastic dash reminds me of older 80s cars, its rough and terrible to clean as dust gets trapped in all the crevices.
I understand why MB changed, the interior on my w203 is not durable. Yet in making a durable dash, they make it look awful.
Now you can keep bashing my comments, or accept I think the W204 is terrible, you think its great, and we can move on.
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Dude, I'm positive you're on something. I just hope your family gets you the help you deserve.
Other cars built, "to be driven all day at an excess of 130 non stop" include: Any Ferrari, any Lamborghini, Bugatti Veyron, BMW, Audi, Aston Martin ... the list goes on and on, those are just off the top of my head. Sorry, the C class is one step above basic transportation. But, don't let me burst your bubble.
BTW, if this car is "built to perfection" then I've experienced cars that must've been built to perfection +1.
Other cars built, "to be driven all day at an excess of 130 non stop" include: Any Ferrari, any Lamborghini, Bugatti Veyron, BMW, Audi, Aston Martin ... the list goes on and on, those are just off the top of my head. Sorry, the C class is one step above basic transportation. But, don't let me burst your bubble.
BTW, if this car is "built to perfection" then I've experienced cars that must've been built to perfection +1.
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I come to the forum to share thoughts and help other why do other have to offend
Dude, I'm positive you're on something. I just hope your family gets you the help you deserve.
Other cars built, "to be driven all day at an excess of 130 non stop" include: Any Ferrari, any Lamborghini, Bugatti Veyron, BMW, Audi, Aston Martin ... the list goes on and on, those are just off the top of my head. Sorry, the C class is one step above basic transportation. But, don't let me burst your bubble.
BTW, if this car is "built to perfection" then I've experienced cars that must've been built to perfection +1.
Other cars built, "to be driven all day at an excess of 130 non stop" include: Any Ferrari, any Lamborghini, Bugatti Veyron, BMW, Audi, Aston Martin ... the list goes on and on, those are just off the top of my head. Sorry, the C class is one step above basic transportation. But, don't let me burst your bubble.
BTW, if this car is "built to perfection" then I've experienced cars that must've been built to perfection +1.
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I am doing the opposite of the commercial - moving out of an A4 and into the C300. In Canada, I found the pricing of the C300 very competitive. Audi has not released their pricing yet for the B8 and the sports model won't be released in Canada until Oct/Nov.
Yes I like the new B8 vs the B6/7 A4: LEDs, Bang & Olufsen stereo option as well as paddle shifters option, adaptive drive option, extra torque and better fuel efficiency.
However, I feel that the reliability of my particular Audi was somewhat disappointing (3 coolant leaks, 6 burnt out light bulbs, 1 fuel pump, 1 coil pack failure, 1 MAF sensor, 1 vacuum hose, 1 glove box). Thank goodness for extended warranty.
Can't wait for my new car to arrive, still being built in Germany! In the end, it's about personal preference and experience.
Yes I like the new B8 vs the B6/7 A4: LEDs, Bang & Olufsen stereo option as well as paddle shifters option, adaptive drive option, extra torque and better fuel efficiency.
However, I feel that the reliability of my particular Audi was somewhat disappointing (3 coolant leaks, 6 burnt out light bulbs, 1 fuel pump, 1 coil pack failure, 1 MAF sensor, 1 vacuum hose, 1 glove box). Thank goodness for extended warranty.
Can't wait for my new car to arrive, still being built in Germany! In the end, it's about personal preference and experience.
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- cylinder head failure: sticking valves
- oil leak into wiring harness: bad seals in sensors
- vacuum leaks: hoses that rot with oil
- coolant leak into transmission: cheap rad
- bushing replaced in control/thurst arms, endlinks: bad design
- air conditioning leak: cheap condenser
- fuel pump and fuel sensor problems
- rust: early models were not adequately rust proofed
If you think you're buying into MB reliability, you're wrong. MBs record on the w203 is worse than the B7, so both the w204 and B8 might be lemons.
I learned my lesson with the w203 - never buy the first year of ANY model or engine - unless you plan on buying an extended waranty
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Here's some major problems with the previous w203, so you can expect similar with the w204 if MB continues the course:
- cylinder head failure: sticking valves
- oil leak into wiring harness: bad seals in sensors
- vacuum leaks: hoses that rot with oil
- coolant leak into transmission: cheap rad
- bushing replaced in control/thurst arms, endlinks: bad design
- air conditioning leak: cheap condenser
- fuel pump and fuel sensor problems
- rust: early models were not adequately rust proofed
If you think you're buying into MB reliability, you're wrong. MBs record on the w203 is worse than the B7, so both the w204 and B8 might be lemons.
I learned my lesson with the w203 - never buy the first year of ANY model or engine - unless you plan on buying an extended waranty
- cylinder head failure: sticking valves
- oil leak into wiring harness: bad seals in sensors
- vacuum leaks: hoses that rot with oil
- coolant leak into transmission: cheap rad
- bushing replaced in control/thurst arms, endlinks: bad design
- air conditioning leak: cheap condenser
- fuel pump and fuel sensor problems
- rust: early models were not adequately rust proofed
If you think you're buying into MB reliability, you're wrong. MBs record on the w203 is worse than the B7, so both the w204 and B8 might be lemons.
I learned my lesson with the w203 - never buy the first year of ANY model or engine - unless you plan on buying an extended waranty
It seems like you've had a bad experience, but Audi's (in general) have a much worse reliability record than MB's.
I have to believe, that after 7 years of research and development, that at the very LEAST, a few of those kinks were ironed out. Not to mention, environmental factors and driving style affect reliability as well -- just because you experienced those problems doesn't make it a general occurrence (sorry that you got a lemon).
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...tings-by-brand
This argument is pointless - obviously, some of you are Audi lovers (amanonfire is probably an Audi employee), and will defend Audi to the death, and most of the rest of us are MB lovers (this is an MB w204 forum, right?).
So when you come to this forum, and act surprised that many of us defend our cars, it really comes off as ignorant. What did you expect when you bash the car that this forum is dedicated to?
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So you won't be buying the B8, right?
It seems like you've had a bad experience, but Audi's (in general) have a much worse reliability record than MB's.
I have to believe, that after 7 years of research and development, that at the very LEAST, a few of those kinks were ironed out. Not to mention, environmental factors and driving style affect reliability as well -- just because you experienced those problems doesn't make it a general occurrence (sorry that you got a lemon).
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...tings-by-brand
This argument is pointless - obviously, some of you are Audi lovers (amanonfire is probably an Audi employee), and will defend Audi to the death, and most of the rest of us are MB lovers (this is an MB w204 forum, right?).
So when you come to this forum, and act surprised that many of us defend our cars, it really comes off as ignorant. What did you expect when you bash the car that this forum is dedicated to?
It seems like you've had a bad experience, but Audi's (in general) have a much worse reliability record than MB's.
I have to believe, that after 7 years of research and development, that at the very LEAST, a few of those kinks were ironed out. Not to mention, environmental factors and driving style affect reliability as well -- just because you experienced those problems doesn't make it a general occurrence (sorry that you got a lemon).
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...tings-by-brand
This argument is pointless - obviously, some of you are Audi lovers (amanonfire is probably an Audi employee), and will defend Audi to the death, and most of the rest of us are MB lovers (this is an MB w204 forum, right?).
So when you come to this forum, and act surprised that many of us defend our cars, it really comes off as ignorant. What did you expect when you bash the car that this forum is dedicated to?
I didn't get a lemon, there are huge problems affecting all w203s, not just a limited few:
2003-2005 M271 W203 are all affected by the cylinder head issue
pre-2003 Q2 W203 are all affected by the rust issue
2003-2005 M271 W203 are all affected by the vacuum leak and oil harness leak
2001-2005 w203 with automatic transmissions are all affected by the coolant leak
Apparently MB did its homework on the W203 too, so why should we believe the W204 will be any different.
Yes, after 6 years of making the W203 all the issues were ironed out. Yet the W202 was bullet-proof, so if we're to judge based on the previous model, the W203 should have been a success. It wasn't, so please don't preach.
I'm not defending Audi, I'm bashing Mercedes. Terrible styling combined with terrible reliability, and the introduction of a new model is a recipe for disaster. Good luck, hope you bought the extended warranty.
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JD Powers only means something if you're leasing a car for the first few years, those of us interested in keeping a car longer know better. The IQS is only 90 days into ownership, and the VDC is 3 years into ownership. The majority of the problems on the W203 only surfaced after 4 years of ownership, and wouldn't even register on JD Powers.
Ignorant - no, arrogant - maybe, informed - definitely.
Did you expect to bash another brand without someone defending it?
I'm not surprised people are defending their car, I'm surprised they are so ignorant to the terrible reliability of Mercedes of late, and the awful interior design and materials.
Then again, the W204 is selling well, so perhaps MB is on the mark with bland styling and plastic interiors, pricing the W204 low to attract bargain basement shoppers that will overlook this to have the 3-pointed star.
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I didn't get a lemon, there are huge problems affecting all w203s, not just a limited few:
2003-2005 M271 W203 are all affected by the cylinder head issue
pre-2003 Q2 W203 are all affected by the rust issue
2003-2005 M271 W203 are all affected by the vacuum leak and oil harness leak
2001-2005 w203 with automatic transmissions are all affected by the coolant leak
Apparently MB did its homework on the W203 too, so why should we believe the W204 will be any different.
Yes, after 6 years of making the W203 all the issues were ironed out. Yet the W202 was bullet-proof, so if we're to judge based on the previous model, the W203 should have been a success. It wasn't, so please don't preach.
2003-2005 M271 W203 are all affected by the cylinder head issue
pre-2003 Q2 W203 are all affected by the rust issue
2003-2005 M271 W203 are all affected by the vacuum leak and oil harness leak
2001-2005 w203 with automatic transmissions are all affected by the coolant leak
Apparently MB did its homework on the W203 too, so why should we believe the W204 will be any different.
Yes, after 6 years of making the W203 all the issues were ironed out. Yet the W202 was bullet-proof, so if we're to judge based on the previous model, the W203 should have been a success. It wasn't, so please don't preach.
Did you expect to bash another brand without someone defending it?
I'm not surprised people are defending their car, I'm surprised they are so ignorant to the terrible reliability of Mercedes of late, and the awful interior design and materials.
Then again, the W204 is selling well, so perhaps MB is on the mark with bland styling and plastic interiors, pricing the W204 low to attract bargain basement shoppers that will overlook this to have the 3-pointed star.
I'm not surprised people are defending their car, I'm surprised they are so ignorant to the terrible reliability of Mercedes of late, and the awful interior design and materials.
Then again, the W204 is selling well, so perhaps MB is on the mark with bland styling and plastic interiors, pricing the W204 low to attract bargain basement shoppers that will overlook this to have the 3-pointed star.
http://www.audiforums.com/forum/ is that way
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To Mr. A Man On Fire,
Your personal vendetta against Mercedes won't prevent a single sale of a W204. It's turning out to be a popular car and selling well.
I'm sure there are enough W202's or W203's out there to keep their fans supplied for many years if that's their preference.
I personally don't care how poor an experience you had, as my personal experience with a W203 has been very satisfying. I am quite pleased with my W204. I understand no car is perfect, even a Toyota or Honda.
If you don't care for W204 then please make us happier and go hang out at a forum dedicated to the vehicle that you do care for.
Your personal vendetta against Mercedes won't prevent a single sale of a W204. It's turning out to be a popular car and selling well.
I'm sure there are enough W202's or W203's out there to keep their fans supplied for many years if that's their preference.
I personally don't care how poor an experience you had, as my personal experience with a W203 has been very satisfying. I am quite pleased with my W204. I understand no car is perfect, even a Toyota or Honda.
If you don't care for W204 then please make us happier and go hang out at a forum dedicated to the vehicle that you do care for.