Blackstone Oil Analysis - w/ Wrong Oil
09-27-2010, 05:46 PM
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Blackstone Oil Analysis - w/ Wrong Oil
I recently discovered my dealer uses the Mobil 1 5w40 ESP Formula M oil that should only be used in the diesel Mercedes.
My car has 29,000 miles on it. The first 13,000 miles was on factory fill.
The second 11,000 was on this incorrect diesel oil.
The last 6,000 miles have been once again on this incorrect diesel oil.
That is the analysis of this oil. 6,000 miles on the oil, 29,000 on the car.
Results attached. They look ok. Nothing too concerning.
I look forward to Glyn's look at this.
As he said, it should still be ok at this low miles (sampling it at only 6000 miles). Too bad I didn't know and analyzed it when it was at 11,000 miles last year.
My car has 29,000 miles on it. The first 13,000 miles was on factory fill.
The second 11,000 was on this incorrect diesel oil.
The last 6,000 miles have been once again on this incorrect diesel oil.
That is the analysis of this oil. 6,000 miles on the oil, 29,000 on the car.
Results attached. They look ok. Nothing too concerning.
I look forward to Glyn's look at this.
As he said, it should still be ok at this low miles (sampling it at only 6000 miles). Too bad I didn't know and analyzed it when it was at 11,000 miles last year.
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09-27-2010, 06:20 PM
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Nothing to worry about there. It's only when you start stressing the oil that you will notice any differences.
09-27-2010, 11:06 PM
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Thanks Glyn!
I also wonder what my analysis would have looked like after those first 13,000 miles on the factory fill 5w30 Shell Synthetic (even though for an 08 it was the approved service interval). I'm so mad at myself for doing that to the engine. Nothing I can do about it now.
If anyone out there is coming up on your first 10,000 mile service, I'd love to see your analysis.
I also wonder what my analysis would have looked like after those first 13,000 miles on the factory fill 5w30 Shell Synthetic (even though for an 08 it was the approved service interval). I'm so mad at myself for doing that to the engine. Nothing I can do about it now.
If anyone out there is coming up on your first 10,000 mile service, I'd love to see your analysis.
09-28-2010, 09:33 AM
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The M112's & M272's have been running 13K drain with fleece filters & 229.5 oils for years in W203's. The sample results have been OK. I prefer 10K drains.
Pushing oil drains too far only really shows itself when the mileage really gets high on the engine.
Your engine is looking really good. Don't stress.
Pushing oil drains too far only really shows itself when the mileage really gets high on the engine.
Your engine is looking really good. Don't stress.
09-28-2010, 05:22 PM
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Glyn and others -
This is an interesting bit. I just asked my dealer today if it is ok I'm brining my own 0w40 Mobil 1 next time. They said of course.
However, they told me it is *NOT* the ESP Formula M they are using in the gasoline cars.
They told me they are using a 229.5 Mobil 1 Formula M 5w40. I do remember seeing a spec sheet on this from Exxon Mobil's Website.
The dealer manager said they do indeed have a 229.51 (ESP) but only for the diesels.
What do you think Glyn? Would my analysis indicate it is pretty close to a regular Mobil 1 and not a diesel spec version? The Moly is there.
This is an interesting bit. I just asked my dealer today if it is ok I'm brining my own 0w40 Mobil 1 next time. They said of course.
However, they told me it is *NOT* the ESP Formula M they are using in the gasoline cars.
They told me they are using a 229.5 Mobil 1 Formula M 5w40. I do remember seeing a spec sheet on this from Exxon Mobil's Website.
The dealer manager said they do indeed have a 229.51 (ESP) but only for the diesels.
What do you think Glyn? Would my analysis indicate it is pretty close to a regular Mobil 1 and not a diesel spec version? The Moly is there.
09-28-2010, 05:36 PM
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Thanks Glyn!
I also wonder what my analysis would have looked like after those first 13,000 miles on the factory fill 5w30 Shell Synthetic (even though for an 08 it was the approved service interval). I'm so mad at myself for doing that to the engine. Nothing I can do about it now.
If anyone out there is coming up on your first 10,000 mile service, I'd love to see your analysis.
I also wonder what my analysis would have looked like after those first 13,000 miles on the factory fill 5w30 Shell Synthetic (even though for an 08 it was the approved service interval). I'm so mad at myself for doing that to the engine. Nothing I can do about it now.
If anyone out there is coming up on your first 10,000 mile service, I'd love to see your analysis.
09-28-2010, 06:01 PM
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AMGs are Mobil 1 factory fill. Regular Mercedes are Shell 5w30 Synthetic factory fill. Shell & Mercedes have some kind of long term contract.
This is why every time someone does an oil analysis on the factory fill, it doesn't look like Mobil 1. There is nothing wrong with the factory fill oil. It's really good too and perhaps helps with break in.
This is why every time someone does an oil analysis on the factory fill, it doesn't look like Mobil 1. There is nothing wrong with the factory fill oil. It's really good too and perhaps helps with break in.
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09-28-2010, 08:27 PM
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Glyn and others -
This is an interesting bit. I just asked my dealer today if it is ok I'm brining my own 0w40 Mobil 1 next time. They said of course.
However, they told me it is *NOT* the ESP Formula M they are using in the gasoline cars.
They told me they are using a 229.5 Mobil 1 Formula M 5w40. I do remember seeing a spec sheet on this from Exxon Mobil's Website.
The dealer manager said they do indeed have a 229.51 (ESP) but only for the diesels.
What do you think Glyn? Would my analysis indicate it is pretty close to a regular Mobil 1 and not a diesel spec version? The Moly is there.
This is an interesting bit. I just asked my dealer today if it is ok I'm brining my own 0w40 Mobil 1 next time. They said of course.
However, they told me it is *NOT* the ESP Formula M they are using in the gasoline cars.
They told me they are using a 229.5 Mobil 1 Formula M 5w40. I do remember seeing a spec sheet on this from Exxon Mobil's Website.
The dealer manager said they do indeed have a 229.51 (ESP) but only for the diesels.
What do you think Glyn? Would my analysis indicate it is pretty close to a regular Mobil 1 and not a diesel spec version? The Moly is there.
BTW - You are correct - the factory fill is 5w30 Shell Synthetic running-in formulation. It's not Mobil 1 as many think. You will not find the Moly high temp anti oxident in the initial fill product on German cars. Aside from viscometrics it is a dead giveaway. Our additive company supplies the high moly additive pack to Mobil.
Engen has taken over supply to the SA plant so SA cars will probably have Mobil 1 Euro formulation in them again.
09-28-2010, 10:05 PM
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Yes - the Moly is there so I think they are playing clean. I would need a complete IR scan to be absolutely sure of what they are doing but your sample is not the 229.51 diesel formulation.
BTW - You are correct - the factory fill is 5w30 Shell Synthetic running-in formulation. It's not Mobil 1 as many think. You will not find the Moly high temp anti oxident in the initial fill product on German cars. Aside from viscometrics it is a dead giveaway. Our additive company supplies the high moly additive pack to Mobil.
Engen has taken over supply to the SA plant so SA cars will probably have Mobil 1 Euro formulation in them again.
BTW - You are correct - the factory fill is 5w30 Shell Synthetic running-in formulation. It's not Mobil 1 as many think. You will not find the Moly high temp anti oxident in the initial fill product on German cars. Aside from viscometrics it is a dead giveaway. Our additive company supplies the high moly additive pack to Mobil.
Engen has taken over supply to the SA plant so SA cars will probably have Mobil 1 Euro formulation in them again.
Thanks Glyn, Sounds like my dealer is at least not using ESP formula in gas cars. Thank goodness, we know some dealers do.
Looking at the Mobil spec sheets, I see the TBN on the "approved" Formula M starts out around 8, whereas on M1 0w40 though it starts out at 11.3 I believe. These two oils Mobil actually tells you the TBN which is nice.
Obviously, the Formula M "approved," oil is a cheaper product for mass quantity dealer use and not a product on consumer shelves, plus on store shelves it would be confused with the ESP version.
Therefore, since gas version Formula M TBN does start out much lower, I will still haul in my own M1 0w40 from now on.
Considering TBN dropped from 8 to 3 in just 6,000 miles, I can't imagine the TBN last year when I ran 10,500 on this oil.
I think we have got to the bottom of it though. Many thanks!!!
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09-29-2010, 06:25 AM
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Yes - I provide my own oil for all services on our 2 cars. Then I know exactly what's going in.
Next week is 60,000Km service for the W203. I will be running on some 229.5 racing formulation product we had lying around that we produced for DTC racing for the next few changes. I slight "overkill" I think but it was free.
Next week is 60,000Km service for the W203. I will be running on some 229.5 racing formulation product we had lying around that we produced for DTC racing for the next few changes. I slight "overkill" I think but it was free.
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Hi guys,
I am driving diesel and I change oilfor myself, so I do have 8 bottles of Mobil1 ESP Formula M 5W40, and I am looking at the label. It says that the:
1. "Mobil1 ESP Formula M 5W40 is desingned to exceed the demanding requirements of Daimler Chrysler's MB 229.51 specification in gasoline and diesel vehicles"
2. "Low Sulphur and Phosphorus content helps extend the life of Gasoline Catalytic Converters (CATs).
So i think that gas engines will be ok whit it.
I am driving diesel and I change oilfor myself, so I do have 8 bottles of Mobil1 ESP Formula M 5W40, and I am looking at the label. It says that the:
1. "Mobil1 ESP Formula M 5W40 is desingned to exceed the demanding requirements of Daimler Chrysler's MB 229.51 specification in gasoline and diesel vehicles"
2. "Low Sulphur and Phosphorus content helps extend the life of Gasoline Catalytic Converters (CATs).
So i think that gas engines will be ok whit it.
09-29-2010, 11:41 AM
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Search - I've covered in detail.
229.51 products are not suitable where 229.5 is required by Benz. Benz have decreed the products mutually exclusive & that no one formulation can claim both specs.
229.51 products are for diesel passenger car with Cat & particulate filters & have an ash content of < 0.8%. 229.5 oils have ash >0.8% to 1.6% & are for Benz gas engines. Benz control on ash because they don't want the same product in both engine types.
229.51 products are not suitable where 229.5 is required by Benz. Benz have decreed the products mutually exclusive & that no one formulation can claim both specs.
229.51 products are for diesel passenger car with Cat & particulate filters & have an ash content of < 0.8%. 229.5 oils have ash >0.8% to 1.6% & are for Benz gas engines. Benz control on ash because they don't want the same product in both engine types.
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I'm going to be doing MANY more oil analysis.
I'm sending in the diesel ESP oil for a virgin analysis.
I already found a virgin 0w40 M1 on the net.
Now, if only I could get a virgin Formula M (in the NON-ESP formula). It seems to only be sold in bulk these days though. I did found where I could buy an old case of it, but then I'd be stuck with nothing to do with it. I only need 3 ounces. ha.
I'm sending in the diesel ESP oil for a virgin analysis.
I already found a virgin 0w40 M1 on the net.
Now, if only I could get a virgin Formula M (in the NON-ESP formula). It seems to only be sold in bulk these days though. I did found where I could buy an old case of it, but then I'd be stuck with nothing to do with it. I only need 3 ounces. ha.
10-01-2010, 06:32 AM
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Here is a virgin M1 0W-40 Euro formulation. Pleased you intend doing the others. I would run them here at company expense but they are not available on the SA market.
10-15-2010, 05:51 PM
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Glyn M Ruck -
Well it turns out my dealer surely had correct 229.5 oil in my car.
I have ran an analysis on the 229.51 spec (the ESP version of Formula M).
I am attaching it.
You will see much less Calcium and a low starting TBN. The oil in my car reportedly started out at 8.0, and you can see the TBN of the full M1 0w40, is above 11 as you posted in your 0w40 analysis above.
Now Glyn, I have the question!
Should I continue using the dealer's Formula M 5w40 (the correct one, not the ESP one), or should I take in my own Mobil 1 0w40? Both are approved. However, you can see, that M1 0w40 seems to have MANY more additives in it. It seems more premium. So why did they even make the non-ESP Formula M, when they already had 0w40? Is there something else about it, like fewer additives but still "Just enough," that was pleasing to Mercedes?
On paper, M1 0w40, seems like the more premium product, but are we certain of that?
I'm just glad the attached ESP version was not used in my gasoline cars.
Well it turns out my dealer surely had correct 229.5 oil in my car.
I have ran an analysis on the 229.51 spec (the ESP version of Formula M).
I am attaching it.
You will see much less Calcium and a low starting TBN. The oil in my car reportedly started out at 8.0, and you can see the TBN of the full M1 0w40, is above 11 as you posted in your 0w40 analysis above.
Now Glyn, I have the question!
Should I continue using the dealer's Formula M 5w40 (the correct one, not the ESP one), or should I take in my own Mobil 1 0w40? Both are approved. However, you can see, that M1 0w40 seems to have MANY more additives in it. It seems more premium. So why did they even make the non-ESP Formula M, when they already had 0w40? Is there something else about it, like fewer additives but still "Just enough," that was pleasing to Mercedes?
On paper, M1 0w40, seems like the more premium product, but are we certain of that?
I'm just glad the attached ESP version was not used in my gasoline cars.
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just took my car in for service A #2 (year 3) and Mercedes Dealership in Santa Monica, CA used Penzoil 0w40 "Euro blend" instead of mobil 1 synthetic!!!
Should i be concerned??!?!
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Should i be concerned??!?!
thanks in advance
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10-15-2010, 10:45 PM
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Pennzoil makes great products (owned by Shell and Shell was actually the factory fill in our cars). A dealer would most likely use an approved formula. However, share the full name of product and confirm the viscosity with us, if you get a chance.
10-16-2010, 08:52 AM
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Glyn M Ruck -
Well it turns out my dealer surely had correct 229.5 oil in my car.
I have ran an analysis on the 229.51 spec (the ESP version of Formula M).
I am attaching it.
You will see much less Calcium and a low starting TBN. The oil in my car reportedly started out at 8.0, and you can see the TBN of the full M1 0w40, is above 11 as you posted in your 0w40 analysis above.
Now Glyn, I have the question!
Should I continue using the dealer's Formula M 5w40 (the correct one, not the ESP one), or should I take in my own Mobil 1 0w40? Both are approved. However, you can see, that M1 0w40 seems to have MANY more additives in it. It seems more premium. So why did they even make the non-ESP Formula M, when they already had 0w40? Is there something else about it, like fewer additives but still "Just enough," that was pleasing to Mercedes?
On paper, M1 0w40, seems like the more premium product, but are we certain of that?
I'm just glad the attached ESP version was not used in my gasoline cars.
Well it turns out my dealer surely had correct 229.5 oil in my car.
I have ran an analysis on the 229.51 spec (the ESP version of Formula M).
I am attaching it.
You will see much less Calcium and a low starting TBN. The oil in my car reportedly started out at 8.0, and you can see the TBN of the full M1 0w40, is above 11 as you posted in your 0w40 analysis above.
Now Glyn, I have the question!
Should I continue using the dealer's Formula M 5w40 (the correct one, not the ESP one), or should I take in my own Mobil 1 0w40? Both are approved. However, you can see, that M1 0w40 seems to have MANY more additives in it. It seems more premium. So why did they even make the non-ESP Formula M, when they already had 0w40? Is there something else about it, like fewer additives but still "Just enough," that was pleasing to Mercedes?
On paper, M1 0w40, seems like the more premium product, but are we certain of that?
I'm just glad the attached ESP version was not used in my gasoline cars.
However - it's the old case of meets the standards vs. Premium products that exceed the standards.
I would carry in the best oil I could find & in this case M1 0W-40 Euro formulation - It has a fine track record.
As I said above I'm using our 229.5 DTC 10W-30 Racing formulation with a colossal 23% additive treat. Yes I'm lucky that I can lay my hands on not for sale products.
I would run the M1 0W-40 If you are prepared to take the effort.
10-16-2010, 08:57 AM
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It's probably ok. Are you sure it was 0w40 though? I can't find an approved Pennzoil that is 0w40, only 5w40.
Pennzoil makes great products (owned by Shell and Shell was actually the factory fill in our cars). A dealer would most likely use an approved formula. However, share the full name of product and confirm the viscosity with us, if you get a chance.
Pennzoil makes great products (owned by Shell and Shell was actually the factory fill in our cars). A dealer would most likely use an approved formula. However, share the full name of product and confirm the viscosity with us, if you get a chance.
HTHS is critical in cam & tappet wear - as is enough of the correct additive to last the oil change interval.
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Don't get carried away with the viscometrics. Just make sure it is approved. Most non approved products fail HTHS (high temperature high shear) because the base oil & VI improver used is not up to snuff.
HTHS is critical in cam & tappet wear - as is enough of the correct additive to last the oil change interval.
HTHS is critical in cam & tappet wear - as is enough of the correct additive to last the oil change interval.
I was trying to find a way to look up the oil to see if it was on the list. Good to hear another reason why the correct spec is so important.
In terms of my post, many thanks too! I will go ahead and haul in the M1 0w40 and hope it doesn't earn me any snickering from the service department.
I'd just prefer to use the best I can, and it doesn't cost me any additional, so why not.
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I carry in my own oil - who cares what people think.
Here's the latest 229.5 listing
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229.5 Multigrade engine oils (Specification 229.5)
For use in vehicles/engines refer to Sheet 223.2
Select Sheet 000.0022.0023.0110.1112.0119.0121.0121.1122.2124.0 124.1124.2124.3124.4125.0126.0127.0131.0132.1132.3 133.0134.0135.0136.0136.1136.2137.0137.1138.0138.1 141.0210.0211.0215.0219.0221.0222.0223.1223.2224.1 224.2225.0225.10225.11225.12225.14225.15225.16225. 17225.18225.5225.6225.8226.9228.0228.1228.2228.322 8.31228.5228.51229.1229.3229.31229.5229.51231.0231 .1231.2231.3235.0235.1235.10235.11235.12235.13235. 15235.20235.27235.28235.29235.4235.5235.6235.61235 .7235.71235.72235.8235.9236.1236.10236.11236.12236 .13236.14236.15236.2236.20236.25236.26236.3236.412 36.6236.7236.8236.81236.9236.91261.0264.0265.1266. 0266.2267.0267.1268.0269.2310.1311.0312.0325.0325. 2325.3326.0326.3330.1331.0331.1332.0341.0342.0343. 0344.0345.0350.0352.0352.1361.0362.0363.0371.03803 81.0382.0385.1385.2385.3385.4385.5
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BP Visco 5000 5W-30 x BP p.l.c., LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
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Consol Ultra x Vial Oil Ltd., FRYAZINO, Moscow region/RUSSIA
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Midland Synqron x Oel-Brack AG, HUNZENSCHWIL/Schweiz
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OJS Veritas Syntolube 0W-40 x Oelwerke Julius Schindler GmbH, Hamburg/Deutschland
OMV BIXXOL special BM SAE 5W-40 x OMV Refining & Marketing GmbH, VIENNA/Österreich
Pennzoil Platinum European Formula x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Pennzoil Platinum European Formula Ultra x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Pennzoil Ultra Euro x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Pento High Performance 5W-30 x Deutsche Pentosin-Werke GmbH, Wedel/Deutschland
Premium Synthetik Motorenöl x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
Q European Engine Ultra x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Q Horsepower Full Synthetic x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
QS Ultimate Durability European x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Quaker State Synquest x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
real,- Quality GSR 5W-30 x MGB METRO Buying GmbH, Düsseldorf/Deutschland
REPSOL ELITE Common Rail 5W30 x Repsol YPF Lubricantes y Especialidades, S.A., MOSTOLES - MADRID/SPAIN
Shell Helix Diesel Ultra x x x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Diesel Ultra E x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra x x x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra AB x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra C x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra E x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra Extra Polar x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
SRS ViVA 1 Longlife x SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb GmbH, Salzbergen/Deutschland
Statoil LazerWay 5W-40 x Svenska Statoil AB, STOCKHOLM/SWEDEN
Statoil LazerWay TDI 5W-40 x Svenska Statoil AB, STOCKHOLM/SWEDEN
SynPower HST x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
SYNTIUM 3000 x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, KUALA LAMPUR/MALAYSIA
Texaco Havoline Synthetic Motor Oil x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
Total Activa Energy 9000 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz Energy 9000 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Valvoline SynPower HST x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
Westfalen Gigatron 0W-40 x Westfalen AG, Münster/Deutschland
Yacco VX 1000 x Yacco SAS, ST PIERRE LES ELBEUF/FRANCE
YACCO VX 1600 0W30 x Yacco SAS, ST PIERRE LES ELBEUF/FRANCE
ZIC XQ 5W40 x SK Lubricants Co., Ltd., SEOUL/Rep. of KOREA
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229.5 Multigrade engine oils (Specification 229.5)
For use in vehicles/engines refer to Sheet 223.2
Select Sheet 000.0022.0023.0110.1112.0119.0121.0121.1122.2124.0 124.1124.2124.3124.4125.0126.0127.0131.0132.1132.3 133.0134.0135.0136.0136.1136.2137.0137.1138.0138.1 141.0210.0211.0215.0219.0221.0222.0223.1223.2224.1 224.2225.0225.10225.11225.12225.14225.15225.16225. 17225.18225.5225.6225.8226.9228.0228.1228.2228.322 8.31228.5228.51229.1229.3229.31229.5229.51231.0231 .1231.2231.3235.0235.1235.10235.11235.12235.13235. 15235.20235.27235.28235.29235.4235.5235.6235.61235 .7235.71235.72235.8235.9236.1236.10236.11236.12236 .13236.14236.15236.2236.20236.25236.26236.3236.412 36.6236.7236.8236.81236.9236.91261.0264.0265.1266. 0266.2267.0267.1268.0269.2310.1311.0312.0325.0325. 2325.3326.0326.3330.1331.0331.1332.0341.0342.0343. 0344.0345.0350.0352.0352.1361.0362.0363.0371.03803 81.0382.0385.1385.2385.3385.4385.5
Overview
Last update: 10/07/2010
PRODUCTNAME 0W-30 0W-40 5W-30 5W-40 PRINCIPAL
76 PURE SYNTHETIC MOTOR OIL, SAE 5W-40 x ConocoPhillips, PONCA CITY, OK/USA
ALPINE Longlife SAE 5W-30 x Mitan Mineralöl GmbH, Ankum/Deutschland
Alpine RS 0W30 x Mitan Mineralöl GmbH, Ankum/Deutschland
Alpine RS 0W40 x Mitan Mineralöl GmbH, Ankum/Deutschland
Aral SuperSynth x Aral Aktiengesellschaft, Hamburg/Deutschland
Aral SuperTronic G x Aral Aktiengesellschaft, Hamburg/Deutschland
ASTRIS MAGIS SAE 5W-40 x Astris S.A., 6745 GIORNICO/Schweiz
Aviaticon Unique DC 5W/30 x Finke Mineralölwerk GmbH, Visselhövede/Deutschland
BP Visco 5000 5W-30 x BP p.l.c., LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
BP Visco 7000 M x BP p.l.c., LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Edge 0W-30 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Edge 0W-40 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol SLX Professional Longtec 0W-30 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol SLX Professional Longtec 0W-40 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Syntec 0W-30 European Formula x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Cepsa Star Mega Synthetic 0W-30 x Cepsa Lubricantes, S.A., MADRID/SPAIN
Chevron Supreme Synthetic Motor Oil x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
Consol Ultra x Vial Oil Ltd., FRYAZINO, Moscow region/RUSSIA
elf EXCELLIUM 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Elf Excellium Full Tech 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Elf Excellium Full-Tech 5W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Fina FIRST 600 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Fuchs TITAN Supersyn LONGLIFE 5W-40 x Fuchs Petrolub AG, Mannheim/Deutschland
Fuchs TITAN Supersyn Longlife SAE 5W-30 x Fuchs Petrolub AG, Mannheim/Deutschland
G-Energy F Synth 5W-30 x Gazpromneft-Lubricants LTD, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
G-Energy Service Line MS 5W-30 x Gazpromneft-Lubricants LTD, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
Galp Formula XLD, SAE 5W-40 x Petrogal S.A., LISSABON/PORTUGAL
GT OIL Synthetic GT Extra Synt x Volgaresurs Co., Ltd., MOSCOW/RUSSIA
Gulf Formula GMX x Gulf Oil International, London/ENGLAND
Gulf Formula GX x x Gulf Oil International, London/ENGLAND
Havoline Ultra BM x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
Kendall GT-1 FULL SYNTHETIC MOTOR OIL x ConocoPhillips, PONCA CITY, OK/USA
LIQUI MOLY 5W-40 LEICHTLAUF HIGH TECH x Liqui Moly GmbH, Ulm/Deutschland
LubriGold Full Synthetic SM 5W-40 x Warren Oil Company, Inc., WEST MEMPHIS, AR 72303-2048/USA
LUKOIL LUXE MC x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL LUXE Synthetic x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
master oil v-tec Premium 0W-40 x Interparts Autoteile GmbH, Stuttgart/Deutschland
MB 229.5 Motorenöl A 000 989 95 01 x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
megol Motorenoel High Condition x Meguin GmbH & Co. KG Mineraloelwerke, Saarlouis/Deutschland
Mercedes-Benz PKW-Synthetic Motorenöl Blatt 229.5 x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
Midland Synqron x Oel-Brack AG, HUNZENSCHWIL/Schweiz
Mitan Alpine RS 0W-40 x Mitan Mineralöl GmbH, Ankum/Deutschland
Mobil 1 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 Arctic 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 Formula M 5W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 New Life 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil SHC Formula MB 5W-30 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil Super 3000 Formula M 5W-30 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil Super 3000 Formula M 5W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Motul 8100 X-max 5W-30 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
Motul 8100 X-max 5W-40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
National Synthetic 5W40 x Pinnacle Oil, Inc., INDIANAPOLIS, IN 46268/USA
OJS Veritas Syntolube 0W-40 x Oelwerke Julius Schindler GmbH, Hamburg/Deutschland
OMV BIXXOL special BM SAE 5W-40 x OMV Refining & Marketing GmbH, VIENNA/Österreich
Pennzoil Platinum European Formula x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Pennzoil Platinum European Formula Ultra x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Pennzoil Ultra Euro x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Pento High Performance 5W-30 x Deutsche Pentosin-Werke GmbH, Wedel/Deutschland
Premium Synthetik Motorenöl x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
Q European Engine Ultra x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Q Horsepower Full Synthetic x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
QS Ultimate Durability European x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Quaker State Synquest x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
real,- Quality GSR 5W-30 x MGB METRO Buying GmbH, Düsseldorf/Deutschland
REPSOL ELITE Common Rail 5W30 x Repsol YPF Lubricantes y Especialidades, S.A., MOSTOLES - MADRID/SPAIN
Shell Helix Diesel Ultra x x x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Diesel Ultra E x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra x x x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra AB x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra C x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra E x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra Extra Polar x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
SRS ViVA 1 Longlife x SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb GmbH, Salzbergen/Deutschland
Statoil LazerWay 5W-40 x Svenska Statoil AB, STOCKHOLM/SWEDEN
Statoil LazerWay TDI 5W-40 x Svenska Statoil AB, STOCKHOLM/SWEDEN
SynPower HST x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
SYNTIUM 3000 x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, KUALA LAMPUR/MALAYSIA
Texaco Havoline Synthetic Motor Oil x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
Total Activa Energy 9000 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz Energy 9000 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Valvoline SynPower HST x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
Westfalen Gigatron 0W-40 x Westfalen AG, Münster/Deutschland
Yacco VX 1000 x Yacco SAS, ST PIERRE LES ELBEUF/FRANCE
YACCO VX 1600 0W30 x Yacco SAS, ST PIERRE LES ELBEUF/FRANCE
ZIC XQ 5W40 x SK Lubricants Co., Ltd., SEOUL/Rep. of KOREA
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Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 10-17-2010 at 05:07 AM.
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06 C350 sport 6MT
i know royal purple is not on this list. they never applied for the designation. that said, many racers swear by it. they do have a 0-40w formulation. it is supposed to give u a few more hp. i did notice that my mpg on long trips went up from 30 to 32 mpg. they recommend 12k mile changes w fleece filter. any comments or oil analysis of THIS oil. thanx, mike
02-19-2011, 08:15 AM
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The Royal Purple product question comes up frequently. It is not approved & I would not use it until it is. An awful lot of crap is spoken about lubrication in racing circles by people who know not of what they speak. Much of it driven by sponsorship deals etc. Racing products frequently don't have to last very long dependent on rules.
RP is either too cheap to apply for an approval or they know their formulation will fail the testing regime. They will be buying their additive system from one of the majors like Lubrizol who will have informed them of that up front. RP don't have the additive technology themselves. Who knows where their base oil & VI improver comes from. Their formulation probably won't get through HTHS.
RP is either too cheap to apply for an approval or they know their formulation will fail the testing regime. They will be buying their additive system from one of the majors like Lubrizol who will have informed them of that up front. RP don't have the additive technology themselves. Who knows where their base oil & VI improver comes from. Their formulation probably won't get through HTHS.
