hitokiri89

So last night im driving home from a buddies house and for the first time a 335i coupe pulls up next to me and baits me into a race . Little did this guy know i have been waiting to try my hand at taking down a 335 for a while now lol . Anyways i take him on the roll and from a stop twice all the way up to a little over 100mph each time . Guy rolls down his window and starts the " i wasn't really trying gag but , hey what mods have you done speech" lol . I thoroughly enjoyed taking this guy out as i have been told countless i will never take a 335 in my C ... well it can be done lol . Granted i'm not stock but was still a tasty victory . Nothing like halo's in your rear view lol ... yes i am a bit of a beemer hater sry .

wnunez89

cool, nice win, do you have the headers in now? i guess they made a difference lol. but maybe the 335i was automatic or maybe it wasnt really a 335i but a 330i made to look like a 335i (my neighbor has one of those).was he wearing a popped collar. blue tooth, and oakleys? all that extra weight might have weighed him down? lol jk. but foreal good job on sticking it to a beemer!

hitokiri89

Lol yes to the popped collar typical BMW jerk . Headers aren't in yet gonna be awhile before I drop them in got a few bills to take care of first will keep you posted though . It was a new 335i coupe guy just got it

Kaewen

congrats! was at the Beemer showroom yesterday looking at the new M3... damm ugly front..

hitokiri89

I think the m3 looks ok but it does have a bit a of boy racer aftermarket feel to it , which i like just not do much on German cars . Kind of jdm fanboy lol .

alexlev

Is the 2012 M3 design any different than the one from last year?

C300Kid

No, they just killed the sedan.

Stevedotmil

Yeah....kind of sad that we get shafted in the states. This is because the new 335 sedan is gonna be the heat when it comes out. They are supposed to be making a 335is sedan as the performance sedan for the 3 series.

lickem66

Find this a little hard to believe unless your mods add up to about 35 HP. My 04 330i ZHP eats my 09 C350 for lunch by .3 secs to 60 and my ZHP has 65 HP less than a 335i.. I would tend to believe the 335i driver didn't know what he was doing or he was still in break-in time. The 335i's run about 5.0 to 60 mph. What's a C350 running 6.0 / 6.1?
Some older comparisons: http://www.insideline.com/bmw/3-seri...350-sport.html

hitokiri89

Like I said I'm not stock you dint have to believe me though . On paper I should be around 50hp over stock but I never had her on the dyno . And about not know what he was doing we were racing from 2 standstills and one roll with no launching so not too much skill need to hit the gas pedal and keep it to the floor .

lickem66

Tons of skill needed to race from a standstill. Is the trans loaded? Is he controlling wheelspin? Did he get wheel spin? Did you jump him on the line (called holeshot win)? Was his traction contol on or off? Was he in a manual or auto?
Didn't say I "dint" (sic) believe you about your mods but you didn't say what those mods were. It takes a lot to get any significant gain from these motors without FI. I've been in the BMW world for years and they used to say the same thing. "I added headers, a tune, a CAI (usually turns out to be a HAI), etc and should be making 30 more HP. That's tough to do. Most guys do all that modding and realistically get about 20 more out of it. Butt dynos don't count.

hitokiri89

Like I said there was no launch like in a drag race so almost all if the skill needed to pull a proper drag was nill . As far as my mods go I have magnaflow race mufflers , magnaflow x- pipe , and the updated powerchip tune ( 30 hp btw ) . Next up is coils when they come in and installing my headers . If most people only got 20 hp from headers + a tune no one would bother . The engine in the 350 is quite good but overlooked as Mercedes doesnt really market their cars as sports cars rather sporty luxury cars . The engine is quite capeable and there are plenty of mods out there to increase the power just need to look for them . We both had wheel spin and i kept a constant 1 2/3 car lenth on the 335 . And no I'm didn't do a " hotshot " win on him lol . It was a stock car against a car that is not it's that simple . I know being a bimmer fan it's probably hard to stomach but it happened .

victort

i've driven 335s before and they don't even feel that fast. maybe it was just me?

wnunez89

i believe you won, I dont see why you would lie, dont get me wrong. but your mods didnt make 50hp im sorry. If you had the headers in then MAYBE a little closer to 50 but no way without them. the x-pipe 0-2hp maybe, magnaflow race mufflers 0-5 maybe. (I also have both of those mods) different filter 0-3 maybe again. powerchip tune I would bet money doesnt add you 30hp. Renntech over exaggerates there gains by 15hp and I heard by a liable source powerchip does as well. and believe it or not gaining 20hp from headers is GREAT! headers dont do much on an NA engine, I did header on my 350z before I boosted it and I only gained 17hp.

trust me I hate BMW and am a huge MB fan boy Ill admit that, but with saying that I wish our engines could make 50hp with just bolt on's.

lickem66

No prob. Go on believing that.. I'm one of the rare people that love both of these German marques. I am able to understand the differences between the two. My MB is no BMW for sure. Not nearly the driver' car but it is more comfortable. That's about it. I love my ZHP for one reason (driving, feedback, road feel, etc.) and my MB for another (comfort) but the two can never be compared when talking about actual driving the back roads or on a track. I've driven my C350 for almost 3 years and have driven 335i's extensively and in no way will an unmodded C350 will drop a 335i.

hitokiri89

Again I said 50hp on paper actual gain most likely 30hp . I've felt significant gains from each mod that I've done . Im only adding the projected
figures by each company to
come up with my estimate of
hp . And lick w/e ur name is Ive said at least twice that the 335 was stock lol . It may be hard to believe but I've actually felt increases in performance from my x pipe and exhaust , probably because they were added aftery chip . No way headers s d a tune together yield only 17hp , once the headers go in I'll post dyno results so we can have sone real figures to look at and not just conjecture .

wnunez89

I never said headers and a tune make 17hp, I said headers alone did. but you'll see once you add them, a lot of people seem to think (im not saying you) that headers are like god's gift to performance seekers but in reality there just another exhaust component lol. good luck with your project. looking forward to seeing before/after dyno's.

hitokiri89

Lol sorry if I came off s little d**kish bro . I realize there not not gonna make a ton of hp hoping to get 20 out of them . Will be more than happy to put up dyne results so everyone can see eBay mods yield what . I plan on taking this engine as far as I can as time goes on with the stuff that's out there already and fabbed up stuff as well . Once my warranty runs out I'll throw in a remote turbo too . Pissed off at my shop as my coils are paid for and no idea when they arrive and I want to throw the coils on first .

hitokiri89

Also sry for bad spelling using my iPhone and the auto correct is ridiculous

jctevere

I think that there is some credibility in this... But not so much from your mods, as much as the inherent architecture or features of the c350 vs the 335i have contributed to this. From a dig, the 335i would have beat you, hands down. But since this was from a roll, the w204 has a SERIOUS advantage. This is because we have a very advanced 7-speed that can not only downshift, but SKIP an entire gear, putting us RIGHT in the sweet spot and power band. The 6-speed in the 335i simply can't do this, and from a roll, you could have taken him (the fact that you have non-restrictive mods only helps this further).

While in reality these mods don't add much total horsepower (in fact, probably none, not nearly the 50hp they rate it at), what it does do is shift the power curves, resulting in more hp at higher rpm's and less hp at lower rpm's (another big factor in races from a roll).

In fact, I can almost validate this as my c300 kept up with a G37 coupe. And while I didn't win from a 40-100mph roll, I was within a car length. I had the G37 before my w204, and I can say that the 5-speed was just terrible in the 08 G37, and while I would have lost from a dig, from a roll the G37 doesn't move nearly as well as it should for a 330hp+ car... Perhaps this has been solved with the newer 7-speeds in the Infiniti G37, but I haven't had any experience with them yet.

hitokiri89

Makes a lot sence when spelled out like that . I did tale him twice from a dig though . I've also beat the crap out of my car since day one so my shifting is very responsive from a stand still ( I'm a red light warrior lol ) so I always got the jump.

jctevere

Well, since you mentioned that he just bought it, the engine ECU is probably more restrictive and not allowing full WOT. Plus, the engine has probably not broken in well yet, as our older engines have.

But i am just like you, and beat on my car daily. In fact, many studies show that ocasional WOT, even during break-in, isn't the worst thing, as it allows for the best valve seals. I have done this in my car, and my 09 c300 is a TON faster than the '11 c300. Its not just the TCU settings either, the engine is much stronger. Combined with that and my simple mods, I get about 6.2 seconds 0-60 time in my c300 4matic (far better than factory ratings).

hitokiri89

Nice that's pretty significant , I pulled a 5.4 using the dynolicious app on my phone but I'm nit so sure about that lol . You ever go to that meet out east ?

jctevere

Yeah, that dyno app on my iPhone gives me some crazy numbers sometimes... I dunno which meet your talking about. Never met anyone from the forum yet, but I occasionally go to AirPort plaza near farmingdale multiplex on weekends at those really big car meets.

Acapulco Bill

What lickem66 states is true, a 2004 stock 3.0L ZHP can easily beat even the new C350. Rated by BMW at 5.8 secs. 0-60 MPH, kept properly maintained an old ZHP can regularly turn in 5.3 to 5.5 sec. times. This is a FACT. The 2010 C350 would be an even match for the old 330i E46, maybe. Forget the 3.0L E90, as the W204 carries a several hundred pound weight penalty. Besides, the 7G transmission is just so lame, even in Sport mode the Merc takes a while to get moving.

As for a C350 taking on a 335i Coupe, the loss by the bimmer was probably due to the driver not knowing how to shift the 6 speed manual. Car & Driver clocked in 4.9 sec. for 0 to 60, which was just 0.2 sec. off the M3 time. This is also a FACT.

The Merc V6 engines, before the introduction of the new 3.5L CGI, breathe horribly. Attesting to this simple FACT is the appreciable difference in MPG against the non-turbo BMWs of similar size which is 12% to 15% higher just because of the intake configuration.

The new C350 CGI is a step in the right direction, so is the C250. Now if only MB could merge the two into a C350 CGI turbo... that would give about 360 HP and well over 400 lb-ft of torque. Now THAT would even beat the proposed non-V8 M3. THEN I would go racing.