Oil Vicosity and warranty question
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Oil Vicosity and warranty question
I purchased my 2012 c250 from Carmax of all places last month. It has 17,200 Miles on it now. (approx) I found that it was purchased at Mercedes of West Covina in the So Cal area last October. I called them to see if it had been serviced there and the answer was no. So I called Carmax and asked them if they had serviced it. They said yes and that they used a "Synthetic 5-30" and changed the filter at 17061 miles. no other details available. I know that this is the wrong oil, will this effect my warranty? should I change it immediately for the recommended 0-40?
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You have got on to it early & at very little cost will gain a lot by changing to a MB approved oil.
Changing to the MB oil filter is a must too.
It's sleep at night stuff.
Changing to the MB oil filter is a must too.
It's sleep at night stuff.
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Totally agree, just thinking about it is aggrevating! I guess I didn't have anything planned for the wekend anyway.
Do you know if it will cause warrany issues though? if something goes haywire and they ask about service, I will have to disclose this as it is the only proof that the oil was changed; albeit late...
Do you know if it will cause warrany issues though? if something goes haywire and they ask about service, I will have to disclose this as it is the only proof that the oil was changed; albeit late...
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Thinking practically it could/should only affect the warranty on the engine , then only parts of the engine which are lubricated. Other warranty items should be unaffected.
Make sure the new oil service is logged in the service book . If the other service is unlogged , why mention it. In that short time no damage would have been done anyway.
Look upon it that you have given your engine an oil flush & forget it.
Enjoy your new Benz .
John
Make sure the new oil service is logged in the service book . If the other service is unlogged , why mention it. In that short time no damage would have been done anyway.
Look upon it that you have given your engine an oil flush & forget it.
Enjoy your new Benz .
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0W40 Mobil 1 is recommended for gas engine going back
even to the 90's and before. Check the Mobil 1 website pick oil tool.
Dealers vary on which Mobil 1 they use.
I've used both 0W40 and 15W50 Mobil 1 in my M119.
*Diesel engines (642) absolutely require low SP Ash oils. Use oils with optimal viscosity protection and MB approval number – 229.51, 229.52.
**Diesel engines (642) Bin 5 Model 164.125/ .825; Model 251.125 only use 229.52 or "Mercedes-Benz Motorenöl MB 229.51 BlueTec."
Engine Oil Viscosity Range Chart
The oils and viscosity grades with MB approval numbers are for the US market. Use the newest oils with optimal viscosity protection and with the latest MB approval numbers, such as MB approval 229.5 or 229.51 (except SLR 155 engine). Select oil viscosity grades according to the lowest and highest air temperature expected before your next oil change.
Engine Type
MB Approval Number
Approved Oil Viscosity Range
113 / 229.5
0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40
152 / 229.5
0W-40, 5W-40
155 SLR / 229.3
5W-50
156 / 229.5, 229.51, or 229.52
0W-40, 5W-40, 0W-30
157 / 229.5
0W40, 5W-40
159 / 229.5, 229.51, or 229.52
0W-40, 5W-40, 0W-30
271 / 229.3, 229.5, 229.51, or 229.52
0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40, 5W-50, 0W-30
272 / 229.3 or 229.5
0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40
273 / 229.3 or 229.5
0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40
275 / 229.5
0W-40, 5W-40
276 / 229.3, 229.5
0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40
278 / 229.5
0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40
285 / 229.5
0W-40, 5W-40
Diesel Engines*
642 / 229.51 or 229.52
0W-30, 5W-40
642** / 229.52
0W-30
651 / 229.51 or 229.52
0W-30, 5W-40
even to the 90's and before. Check the Mobil 1 website pick oil tool.
Dealers vary on which Mobil 1 they use.
I've used both 0W40 and 15W50 Mobil 1 in my M119.
*Diesel engines (642) absolutely require low SP Ash oils. Use oils with optimal viscosity protection and MB approval number – 229.51, 229.52.
**Diesel engines (642) Bin 5 Model 164.125/ .825; Model 251.125 only use 229.52 or "Mercedes-Benz Motorenöl MB 229.51 BlueTec."
Engine Oil Viscosity Range Chart
The oils and viscosity grades with MB approval numbers are for the US market. Use the newest oils with optimal viscosity protection and with the latest MB approval numbers, such as MB approval 229.5 or 229.51 (except SLR 155 engine). Select oil viscosity grades according to the lowest and highest air temperature expected before your next oil change.
Engine Type
MB Approval Number
Approved Oil Viscosity Range
113 / 229.5
0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40
152 / 229.5
0W-40, 5W-40
155 SLR / 229.3
5W-50
156 / 229.5, 229.51, or 229.52
0W-40, 5W-40, 0W-30
157 / 229.5
0W40, 5W-40
159 / 229.5, 229.51, or 229.52
0W-40, 5W-40, 0W-30
271 / 229.3, 229.5, 229.51, or 229.52
0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40, 5W-50, 0W-30
272 / 229.3 or 229.5
0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40
273 / 229.3 or 229.5
0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40
275 / 229.5
0W-40, 5W-40
276 / 229.3, 229.5
0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40
278 / 229.5
0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40
285 / 229.5
0W-40, 5W-40
Diesel Engines*
642 / 229.51 or 229.52
0W-30, 5W-40
642** / 229.52
0W-30
651 / 229.51 or 229.52
0W-30, 5W-40
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I doubt it. If anything, the dealer would have to prove that it was the oil that caused the issue at hand. Considering the fact that this non-MB spec oil was in there for a very short amount of time, I wouldn't really worry. Just get it changed when you get a moment.
I'd be more worried about the fact that the car hasn't had an oil change at all in 17K miles. Isn't 10K miles/1 year the current MB limit? This in itself would be a bigger reason to give you grief over any possible engine warranty claim.
Buying an expensive car with no service records is always a gamble, IMO.
I'd be more worried about the fact that the car hasn't had an oil change at all in 17K miles. Isn't 10K miles/1 year the current MB limit? This in itself would be a bigger reason to give you grief over any possible engine warranty claim.
Buying an expensive car with no service records is always a gamble, IMO.
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Thanks to Carsy, Clarkz71 and Pete7874 for the advise. I called and spoke to the SA and she stated that as long as it was a pure synthetic it shouldn't be a problem. She also stated that they either use a 0-40 or a 5-40 with no explanation why they would use one or the other. I am not buying that totally, so I got on Amazon last night and ordered a 8qt MightyVac pump and a Mann Filter. When those items arrive I'll knock out this oil change. After which, how do I reset the service clock? (there's probably a better name for that) I am under the impression that Mann Filter is actually the OEM manufacturer for the oil filters; is this correct?
@Clarkz71 what engine model# is in my 2012 c250 sport (non deisel) sorry for not knowing; it's my first Benz.
Thanks again everybody..
@Clarkz71 what engine model# is in my 2012 c250 sport (non deisel) sorry for not knowing; it's my first Benz.
Thanks again everybody..
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I am under the impression that Mann Filter is actually the OEM manufacturer for the oil filters; is this correct?
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Mike, you can use the 'Search this Forum' link at the top of the W 204 page for commonly asked problems /procedures.
Resetting service indicator :- https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...el-models.html
While the Mann Filter may be the correct oil filter you are playing with fire not using a MB branded filter during your warranty. Keep all oil & filter receipts too. I had a similar issue with my Peugeot dealer. Purflux manufactured the filters for Peugeot but they would not accept a Purflux filter whilst under warranty ,only one in a Peugeot box !! .
Resetting service indicator :- https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...el-models.html
While the Mann Filter may be the correct oil filter you are playing with fire not using a MB branded filter during your warranty. Keep all oil & filter receipts too. I had a similar issue with my Peugeot dealer. Purflux manufactured the filters for Peugeot but they would not accept a Purflux filter whilst under warranty ,only one in a Peugeot box !! .
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Mann + Hummel developed the blown polyester "fleece" filter for Benz & I suggest you use that.
Approved 229.5 products in 0W-40 or 5W-40 are appropriate. A 0W-40 is more expensive to formulate & considered a world oil. You can use it from the Arctic to the Desert.
Approved 229.5 products in 0W-40 or 5W-40 are appropriate. A 0W-40 is more expensive to formulate & considered a world oil. You can use it from the Arctic to the Desert.
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I purchased my 2012 c250 from Carmax of all places last month. It has 17,200 Miles on it now. (approx) I found that it was purchased at Mercedes of West Covina in the So Cal area last October. I called them to see if it had been serviced there and the answer was no. So I called Carmax and asked them if they had serviced it. They said yes and that they used a "Synthetic 5-30" and changed the filter at 17061 miles. no other details available. I know that this is the wrong oil, will this effect my warranty? should I change it immediately for the recommended 0-40?
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When people have seal problems, it is not the viscosity, but typically overfilling. No cars are designed to have the crank throws, bearings or thrust surfaces submerged.
The use of oil a weight (viscosity) up or down will not cause damage. It may not be optimal, but it is not the end of the world.
Mann is a reliable filter manufacturer and is one of the suppliers to MB. You can use these with confidence. Any dealer who would deny any claim because of a filter brand does not have a leg to stand on.
Most service writers are a little intimidating and are used to dealing with people who just don't know and cant discuss/challenge them on anything.
The use of oil a weight (viscosity) up or down will not cause damage. It may not be optimal, but it is not the end of the world.
Mann is a reliable filter manufacturer and is one of the suppliers to MB. You can use these with confidence. Any dealer who would deny any claim because of a filter brand does not have a leg to stand on.
Most service writers are a little intimidating and are used to dealing with people who just don't know and cant discuss/challenge them on anything.
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I've got a question, the first time I changed my oil my C300, I used the mobil oil that meets 229.5. I noticed when I was resetting the oil change interval in the car that I was given the choice of selecting either 229.3 or 229.5 as the oil that I used. My question is if the owner's manual says to use only 229.5 then why does the car essentially tell me that I can use 229.3 or 229.5?
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I've got a question, the first time I changed my oil my C300, I used the mobil oil that meets 229.5. I noticed when I was resetting the oil change interval in the car that I was given the choice of selecting either 229.3 or 229.5 as the oil that I used. My question is if the owner's manual says to use only 229.5 then why does the car essentially tell me that I can use 229.3 or 229.5?
The 229.3 is an older spec and somewhat less demanding, so I'm guessing if you reset it to 229.3, your next oil change reminder will arrive sooner.
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My owner's manual states only 229.5 but when I was resetting the computer in the car, the car made me select either 229.3 or 229.5. I selected 229.5 as this is the oil that I used. I just found it very strange that as part of resetting the interval in the car, that I was given the choice of 229.3 or 229.5...
Anyone else ever notice this? Can't be just me...
Anyone else ever notice this? Can't be just me...
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The Assyst has allowed you to select oil quality for a long while. If you select 229.3 the system will halve your drain interval on most cars. (Just for good measure they are not all programmed the same although they should be consistent by market)
