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Old 11-22-2013, 11:51 PM
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MBUSA Says I need a new engine!!

11/20/2013

I bought my 2012 Mercedes C250 used and after a couple months my Service B indicator came on. So I looked it up and there was a lot of checking and evaluating but the main thing was an oil change. So I took my car to Jiffy Lube thinking they were competent professionals that can take care of my car... THEY AREN'T! Soon after my oil change I started to notice the initial crank up was taking a little longer then usual and there was a bit of a rattle once it did start. After a day or two of this happening the check engine light came on, so I took it to the Mercedes Dealership. They said that the WRONG oil filter and WRONG oil was put in by Jiffy Lube. The dealership flushed the oil and put a new oil filter on and reset the check engine light. It stayed off for a day then came back on. I took it back and they replaced the Camshaft Cylinoid, reset the check engine light and gave it back. Again it stayed off for a day and came back on, so I took it to the dealership again. This time they kept my car for a month doing tests and came to the conclusion that the oil filter that Jiffy Lube put in caused damage to the inside of the engine and now needs to be replaced for $17,000!!!!! And is NOT covered under warranty because of the "AFTER MARKET" oil filter Jiffy Lube used. Now little ol' me is stuck in a fight with two giant corporations saying it's not their fault. My car is now parked in my driveway for good until this is resolved because I don't want to cause more damage and be blamed for it. Has ANYBODY been stuck in a similar situation with any car? Please help, I just don't know what to do.

11/22/2013

So as of today here is whats going on. The day I posted this I took my car to a competent Mercedes service center, other then the puppets at the dealership. They replaced my camshaft cylinoid censor saying they were 99% sure this would fix the problem but I still have to deal with the damage that has been done. I'm not a negative guy but I knew that the check engine light would come back on and they assured me that it wouldn't. I didn't drive it at all yesterday and the second time I started it today, the check engine light came back on!!! Needless to say I took it back to the shop and they will get back to me on Monday. I then called the Mercedes dealership service dept. and had the service manager tell me exactly why the oil filter caused the problem, this is what he told me. And please tell me if this sounds completely ridiculous!

The Mercedes oil filter retains pressure/oil in it when the car is off so that it gets the oil where it needs to go almost instantly. The "wrong" oil filter that was used allows the oil to drain and lose pressure while the car is off. Because of this, the oil filter didn't get the oil to parts that needed to be lubricated fast enough causing metal on metal grinding. This is why they saw metal shards in the oil and light scaring on the cylinoid when they opened up the valve cover. Because of these two things MBUSA condemned my engine and drew a red flag on my warranty saying the type of metal they found is proof enough that the engine is totaled.

I talked to my insurance company and they say they would most likely cover this type of damage. I'm not sure but if they do, that kind of sounds like my best option at this time. Any objections?
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Old 11-23-2013, 01:23 AM
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If you take any car to Jiffy Lube, I hate to say it, but you have it coming to you. I'm sorry that it happened, but if you drive a first class motor, at least take it to a first class facility. I hope you reach a resolution soon.
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Never been in this situation but I would sue the hell out of Jiffy Lube (Since they are reliable for the work done) get media attention and all if you live in the U.S

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1. never ever bring your car to 3rd low party companies like pepboys & jiffy lube. they told me that I ordered wrong tires because i have wider rear tires than front on IS350 rwd. lol.

2. My old old chrysler's trans oil was change at local jiffy. Guess what?
They forgot to put new oil in. after 2 hours of highway trip, car completely broke down. jiffy only covered trans oil and towing fee."[email protected]#[email protected] I had to get different used trans after 5000miles.

3. insurance fixes everything.
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If it was me I would sue jiffy lube for the $$$ amount needed to fix your car and also for wasting your time and causing you stress.
I would be very offense towards them...
Well bro keep us updated and good luck with the situation.
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sue them and look online for an engine from a total loss car.
you can sometimes find good low utilized engines for less then 3k
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When I was in college I had a new Acura Integra that was taken to Jiffy Lube for every service. After the fifth oil change, they stripped the oil plug threads and just put a rubber stopper in and came out to put the blame on "whoever" changed the oil before....
As straight forward as it was and with absolute proof in hand, I had to have a lawyer draft a letter stating my intent to sue before they paid for 100% of the repairs and a rental car.
You will have to get serious and keep on them but it appear that you have the documented proof you need to hold their feet to the flame.
Anyhow, after my experience during my poor years in college, I either do it myself, take it to the dealer or use an Indy shop that I confirm knows what they are doing.
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Wrong oil for a short period of time will not damage an engine. It is not good for it but will not cause catastrophic failure. Fully understanding what they did with the oil filter could be the cause. Wrong size element. O rings in the wrong place etc could cause trouble.
The fact that there is visible wear metal is a big worry.

Try & take a representative oil sample after the car has run & is warm & get it to Blackstone or Wearcheck or whoever you prefer. Analysis will give us a reasonable idea of what is going on. If their are large particles of metal you need a wear debris analysis because an ICP or AA will not read the big stuff. This analysis might give your lawyer some proper ammunition.

It is a great pity that we don't have a sample of the oil the dealer chucked out. Ask them if they retained a sample. They might well have.

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The place where you got your oil change done has nice reputation
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Out of curiosity, what oil did Jiffy lube put in your car and does it say on your invoice which filter they installed with a part number? I hope they at least put synthetic oil!! Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't synthetic oil leave an oily film on the metal surfaces even when the engine is off which prevents engine wear at startup??
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my Question to the dealership would be...does the oil filter hold the pressure if the car sits for a month not driven??? Their theory of oil filter holding pressurized oil is BS.....some how some parts in the engine failed and were intorduced into the engine and not caught by the filter element that caused the damage......a simple oil and filter change will not cause a total engine faliure.....especially is the filter is like what we have on our W203's with absolutely no metal present...just the filter cartridge...if they replaced the seolnoid..may be some metal chips broke off from the old solenoid itself and were introduced into the engine...not sure what this solenoid looks like, but there is a possibility....

Sue the S.H.I.T out of both Jiffy lube and the dealer.....some one has to foot the bill ...let their lawyers fight it out...and dont worry get a rental pay for it out of pocket and you will get every dime paid for....this is AMERICA...for a brand new top of the line car for which you pay top dollars some one better be liable for the damage.....

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What is happening Dillon ? Any good news ?
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never heard of insurance taking care of a mechanical issue
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This is crazy and unfortunate story. Makes you wonder about Mercedes and German cars for that matter. They may be nicer but if you do one thing wrong and you'll pay for it. Japanese and American cars are so much more forgiving. I believe I even heard someone not changing their oil on their American van for like >100Kkm with no problem.
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all this just to save maybe $50 for an oil change from the dealer
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all this just to save maybe $50 for an oil change from the dealer
Spoken with authority from high up on the pedestal.
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Spoken with authority from high up on the pedestal.
thank you
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I was in the same situation last year with my c230. The Dealership put a low amount of transmission fluid in my transmission causing for it to change gears very harshly. They told me that the whole trans needs to be replaced and that it would cost a few thousand dollars.

I took it to an independent shop and they just simply added a quart or two of fluid and the trans was good as new again.
It was extremely stressful being put up against these repairs, and extremely hard to fight the dealerships.
My biggest recommendation would be like many above to lawyer up and hold someone accountable for the repairs.

For future reference, the dealership only charges $99 for oil and filter changes, which really isn't too bad in my opinion

Good Luck and keep us updated
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For future reference, the dealership only charges $99 for oil and filter changes, which really isn't too bad in my opinion
And how much one should expect Stealership charge for the labor to change oil?
I took delivery of my spankin' brand new C class few months ago. Stealership repeatedly told me that it cost $250 for oil change.
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And how much one should expect Stealership charge for the labor to change oil?
I took delivery of my spankin' brand new C class few months ago. Stealership repeatedly told me that it cost $250 for oil change.

Same with my dealership they dont do just oil change. They want to do a full service A with a bunch of rip off
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And how much one should expect Stealership charge for the labor to change oil?
I took delivery of my spankin' brand new C class few months ago. Stealership repeatedly told me that it cost $250 for oil change.

I actually had my oil changed at Mercedes Benz of Pleasanton this last week on my 2009 c300 for only $55

The standard oil change and oil filter with labor at my dealership is $99.
Amazon local had a promo for a $100 certificate for service at most Mercedes dealerships, Pleasanton being one of them

My After the certificate and tax I paid $5 at the dealership and $50 to amazon for a total of a $55 oil change and filter, plus they cleaned my car better then any car wash I have ever been too
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all this just to save maybe $50 for an oil change from the dealer
Came here to say exactly this. I'm not on a high horse, you just don't take MB or any German car to JiffyLube or similar. My oil changes in each Benz cost 125, whether its dealer or indie. You can try to cut corners by cheaping out on maintenance, but the only person you'll ever hurt is yourself.

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Spoken with authority from high up on the pedestal.
If having someone qualified to do the work properly and paying more for it puts me on a pedestal, so be it. I'm not the one b****ing about engine problems :p
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Came here to say exactly this. I'm not on a high horse, you just don't take MB or any German car to JiffyLube or similar. My oil changes in each Benz cost 125, whether its dealer or indie. You can try to cut corners by cheaping out on maintenance, but the only person you'll ever hurt is yourself.


If having someone qualified to do the work properly and paying more for it puts me on a pedestal, so be it. I'm not the one b****ing about engine problems :p
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Originally Posted by Dillonb1987 View Post
11/20/2013
I then called the Mercedes dealership service dept. and had the service manager tell me exactly why the oil filter caused the problem, this is what he told me. And please tell me if this sounds completely ridiculous!

The Mercedes oil filter retains pressure/oil in it when the car is off so that it gets the oil where it needs to go almost instantly. The "wrong" oil filter that was used allows the oil to drain and lose pressure while the car is off. Because of this, the oil filter didn't get the oil to parts that needed to be lubricated fast enough causing metal on metal grinding. This is why they saw metal shards in the oil and light scaring on the cylinoid when they opened up the valve cover. Because of these two things MBUSA condemned my engine and drew a red flag on my warranty saying the type of metal they found is proof enough that the engine is totaled.

I talked to my insurance company and they say they would most likely cover this type of damage. I'm not sure but if they do, that kind of sounds like my best option at this time. Any objections?
This sounds like your delaer is trying to get out of doing a warrant
repair off a known & documented issue. The failed balance shaft.

There were a run of balance shafts with "soft metal" on the gear.
The metal shards in your oil
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The oil filter did not cause this. When I get home later this morning
I'll find the bulletin on WIS as well as information on what the
oil filter does and doesn't do.
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Balance shaft issues on M271 Evo engines? I've never heard of that. Please post info when you get a chance.

(I don't see why the dealer is responsible at all, btw. Jiffy Lube broke the car. If anyone other than the car owner is responsible, it's Jiffy Lube)
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