Just looking for some friendly advice price wise and to what I should offer;

2012 C350 4Matic Coupe with 38,300 km from my dealer.

Car is essentially loaded to my understanding, minus maybe REAL leather. This has MB Tex, but also Xenons, H/K Sound System, Parktronic, Keyless go, Rear view camera, Heated & Memory Seats.

The car is a CPO, and of course, carries that extended warranty after the factory warranty is over, (which is a great thing). Inside and out, the car itself is in great shape, no dings, scratches, tears.. a clean vehicle.



So the price offered is $39,565.

What kind of wiggle room do you guys think I have? I want to make an offer, but don't want to offend them. For what it's worth, I've gone to the dealership for multiple cars, and as I was emailing my buddy that sent the offer, he had mentioned this car has also been sitting for a while and that they were looking to make a sale.

Thanks in advance.

Edit; I should probably mention that I reside in Canada, which is probably notable by the mileage being listed in kilometers.

 

I already knew you resided in Canada when you wrote you didn't want to offend them! I learned lots by marrying into a Canadian family! However, in this case, don't worry about it. It's just business, so politely give them the number you feel is right. You can assume his listed price is simply his opening negotiation. How to determine the right counter-offer? Something like this may be helpful. There may be other sites in Canada as well, although I don't see Edmunds.

http://www.canadianblackbook.com/used-cars.html

BTW, mbtex is better than leather if durability, ease of cleaning, and low maintenance are considered. Looks are very close. Feels a bit stiffer, but that sensation goes away quickly. Good luck!

 

Haha, I suppose you could say that.

Never the less, I believe you are correct. The car has not dropped in price since it was put on the market. Also judging by their motivation to sell, I would assume I can haggle a bit off.

I also used that website and though it never gave me any options to choose specifically what is optioned out in the car, it gave me literally what they're asking, minus a few dollars; ... "Average Asking Price: $39,388"

What would you think would be a suitable offer given the circumstances? I also noticed with most other dealerships that I've emailed, they push for giving free snow tires with the purchase as opposed to dropping the price of the car.

 

I would offer 36K and be willing to go up to$37,500 (plus tax of course)

 

That's a lot of km for two years. It's a nice car, powerful engine, lighting package, all the desirable options. Real leather is undesirable, it wears and fades much faster. The only reason people purchase a real leather trim is for bragging rights, really.

 

I would use the search feature for 4Matic, evaluate what others have experienced , and make your decision. A prudent person would pass, and look for a 2wd version.

 

The average driver is said to drive between 20 and 24,000km a year; seems to be on point. And I know about the leather, but I was just merely stating it has all options minus that and probably something like designo paint if at all available for that car.



Your post has no relevance to my question. Why would I search for 4matic? I'm merely asking what I should offer for the car. I live in Canada, where we have snow. I don't see how prudence plays a role with opting to get RWD, in which I would benefit from having 4Matic.

 

My comment was directed toward your request for friendly advice was relevant. I know you are Canadian, so I will be a little more direct. People have a lot of expensive problems with 4matic drive cars. They have premature failures. Search thru this forum and satsfy yourself one way or the other.
In any case, enjoy your purchase.

 

What a pathetic insult.

I specifically asked, "friendly advice price wise and to what I should offer".

I couldn't care less as to what your views are on why you would seem to think owning a RWD coupe in the winter would make more sense than owning a 4matic one. I've been through a few 4matic vehicles, never once had a issue. Being that the car is under warranty for the next ~6 years, I don't believe I will have to worry about any issues should they occur.

Clearly where ever you're from affects your ability to answer a question specifically on what is being asked. Please don't reply to my thread unless you have actual advice on what I'm asking for.

 

The asking price is a bit high for that car because of the high Km which has been driven. See if you can negotiate that down to about $38K canadian dollar .

For what's its worth, I love my 4matic.

 

I do to. 4Matic is awesome! So far no issues.

 

The 2012 also has the 7G+ transmission. No problem with mine, but others claim jerky/jolty problems on downshifting. It does not have the "Expensive Problems" of the 7G found in older cars with 4matic.

Also, 4matic is invaluable here. In the summer, camaros, mustangs, corvettes, are all common as hell, you almost never find them on the roads in the winter, and they're half the cost of a MB. Without 4matic, you're garaging your MB in the winter.

 

With respect, and not intending to offend, but this is simply not true. The rear wheel drive cars you cite are the worst examples, with large engines and poor weight distributions. Before all wheel drive became available for passenger cars, how do we think folks in the mountains of Europe got around in the winter? They developed well-balanced rear wheel drive cars and used dedicated winter tires (studded or studless). They did not simply stop driving when the winter came.

More recently, Car and Driver has proven that rear wheel drive with dedicated winter tires outperforms all wheel drive with all season tires in snow/ice, which 4MATIC owners seem all too tempted to use year-round. I can corroborate that from years of experience in the harsh winters of the US midwest. My rear wheel drive C300 runs well in all seasons, including this miserable "Polar Vortex" winter of 2013/14, with the appropriate tires for the season. And, I don't have to carry around the weight and cost every day all year of the parasitic losses of an all wheel drive system.

Yes, all wheel drive does sometimes help get one going by doubling the chances of a tire finding traction in the worst conditions. But, it does little to nothing for braking or turning. For that convenience of a bit of assistance in the very worst conditions, I find it not worth it. And, I have one of each in the garage, so the comparisons were easy to make. (The E was impossible to find here without 4MATIC and the best deals were for in-stock inventory).

So, if one prefers 4MATIC, fine....enjoy the perception of security. But let's not get into unreality about the capability of rear wheel drive in a well balanced, reasonable vehicle, with the proper tires, to be right alongside 99% of the time.

 

38000 km is roughly 24000 mi. For a car that's possible 2 yrs old, 12000mi/yr doesn't seem particularly high....

 

Thanks for the post, I did overstate a bit about having to garage your RWD. The traction advantage is definitely not something to belittle, it makes driving in the winter a lot more bearable, for sure.

 

First off the car is gorgeous, but the key to car buying is setting a price you are willing to pay and sticking to it - if the deal does not happen, walk away and keep searching. Agree on the purchase price, not the monthly payment.

Based on the detail you provided, I plugged everything into KBB.com, purchasing as certified from a dealer, and the price point was $37,365. I would tell them you did your research and offer to purchase the car for $36,500 and settle for $37,500 - No deal, walk away.

Not to sound like a parent, but I enjoy the haggling/purchasing process - Interest rate is very key as well, are they promoting a low rate if your credit is strong? Ensure they do meet your price and increase the rate to get the dollars back to MB financial services.

Good luck.

 

Fair enough.....I guess one person's "a lot" is another's "a little", but it comes with several costs, and in the end, we both get where we're going.

 

4matic is awesome. About the insult, it is so stupid that does not even deserve an answer!!!!

 

Try $36.5k before tax then take it from there. MB of Barrie offers good service and the general reception of that dealership is very high.

In addition to that I once saw a C300 4MATIC for sale there during a CPO sales event and it went from $32k down to $24k for a week only then back to $32k. Weirdly enough it didn't sell but those prices tell me they have quite a lot of wiggle room when they price their cars and are counting on people not making a lower offer so they can make big bucks on each car sold so in that case at least try for $3k off.

 

Thanks for the all information guys.

I will be heading to the dealership tomorrow and see what we can work out. I'll keep you all posted as to what the outcome is.

 

Just came back.

Purchase successful.

$38,000 all fees and taxes in, out the door. Also got free winter mats. Haggled down about 6,000. Not too shabby I think, any thoughts?

 

Not bad. Congratulation. Now go find an excuse to drive somewhere!

 

Great for you, now go enjoy in good health!

 

Enjoy the new ride!!!

 

Thank you gents.

Pick up is scheduled for Wednesday. I feel I got a good deal, I suppose that's all that matters.