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Old Sep 13, 2024 | 04:17 PM
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How to Improve ride quality?

Man I love this car but I despise the way it rides especially from the rear. Swapped out the shocks last week to a softer set and it improved a bit but nowhere near what’s acceptable. I never would have fathomed a MB would ride like this. The suspension is fine. The tires are all around near the end of life but that’s not the problem. It’s like the dampening just isn’t right from the factory and my old E90 330xi did exactly the same thing and independent spring/shock placement is virtually the same setup on both cars. When you go over a hole in the road it’s like the suspension doesn’t rebound quick enough and the car just slams to the ground. Best I can describe it. Has anyone had any luck fitting springs from a Luxury model? Or aftermarket? Hell even a spring from a different model or completely different manufacturer car. These are pretty basic looking springs. I could care less about the handling decrease, I drive like an old man. I just want the car to ride better.
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Originally Posted by DaveS74
Man I love this car but I despise the way it rides especially from the rear. Swapped out the shocks last week to a softer set and it improved a bit but nowhere near what’s acceptable. When you go over a hole in the road it’s like the suspension doesn’t rebound quick enough and the car just slams to the ground. Best I can describe it.
Yeah that's not right, you've replaced both the coil spring and strut? You may have gone too soft on the strut, you could be hitting the bump stops because the shut is not applying enough resistance quick enough.

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No, just the shocks, and it rides better. My next thing is the springs. I don’t think there’s anything actually wrong with the car, it’s just how these are I’m assuming. But I can’t stand it. There has to be a way to improve the ride quality.

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Old Sep 13, 2024 | 06:41 PM
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Do you have the luxury or sport model?
Sport.
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you know, it pretty easy to miss-diagnose suspensions and guess shocks are not working well... when something else is upsetting suspension geometry.

Aged rubber parts deserve parts-canon :
Replace front + rear stab-LINKS
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Old Sep 13, 2024 | 08:26 PM
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I just serviced all 4 corners last month. While a lot smoother, my C300 Sport certainly still lives up to the “sport” moniker.

Any chance you own a truck or SUV? I find the only time I find it jarring is when I just got done driving my truck. In a drive or two though, I’m back at home.

There’s just no substitute to suspension travel, unfortunately.
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Sport.
So, replace the springs and shocks/struts with ones for the luxury model. Personally, I like the crisp handling of my sport model.
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So, replace the springs and shocks/struts with ones for the luxury model. Personally, I like the crisp handling of my sport model.
Thats what I’m thinking but from what I’ve read people seem to says there’s little difference between the sport vs luxury ride quality.
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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
you know, it pretty easy to miss-diagnose suspensions and guess shocks are not working well... when something else is upsetting suspension geometry.

Aged rubber parts deserve parts-canon :
Replace front + rear stab-LINKS
Ball joints
control arms
I was a BMW Technician for 15yrs lol, I know this German suspension setup. There’s nothing wrong with the control arms or sway bar links.
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Originally Posted by DaveS74
I was a BMW Technician for 15yrs lol, I know this German suspension setup.
There’s nothing wrong with the control arms or sway bar links.
you know German suspensions... looking forward to your best fixings.

​​​​​​The part list I shared is how I canceled the harshness out of my comfort trim.
I am sure some of that is applicable to sport trims.

My once bumpy struts now compress like new again.
The struts absorbing bumps restored lost smoothness above 50Mph.

The point being that any suspension trim can become bumpy, not only short springs.


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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
you know German suspensions... looking forward to your best fixings.

​​​​​​The part list I shared is how I canceled the harshness out of my comfort trim.
I am sure some of that is applicable to sport trims.

My once bumpy struts now compress like new again.
The struts absorbing bumps restored lost smoothness above 50Mph.

The point being that any suspension trim can become bumpy, not only short springs.


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None of those things are going to make the car ride bad. They’ll make a hell of a racket or effect steering or braking if in the front, but they won’t make the suspension stiff. You can completely remove the seat bar links and feel zero difference driving over bumps. I think the problem is the springs. What springs to replace them with is the question. The rear shocks I replaced had absolutely nothing wrong with them at 15yrs and 96k mi. I had a 2013 M3 comp pack coupe that literally rode like a Cadillac compared to this car.
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Originally Posted by DaveS74
None of those things are going to make the car ride bad. They’ll make a hell of a racket or effect steering or braking if in the front, but they won’t make the suspension stiff. You can completely remove the seat bar links and feel zero difference driving over bumps. I think the problem is the springs. What springs to replace them with is the question. The rear shocks I replaced had absolutely nothing wrong with them at 15yrs and 96k mi. I had a 2013 M3 comp pack coupe that literally rode like a Cadillac compared to this car.
go ahead try!

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Man I love this car but I despise the way it rides especially from the rear. Swapped out the shocks last week to a softer set and it improved a bit but nowhere near what’s acceptable. I never would have fathomed a MB would ride like this. The suspension is fine. The tires are all around near the end of life but that’s not the problem. It’s like the dampening just isn’t right from the factory and my old E90 330xi did exactly the same thing and independent spring/shock placement is virtually the same setup on both cars. When you go over a hole in the road it’s like the suspension doesn’t rebound quick enough and the car just slams to the ground. Best I can describe it. Has anyone had any luck fitting springs from a Luxury model? Or aftermarket? Hell even a spring from a different model or completely different manufacturer car. These are pretty basic looking springs. I could care less about the handling decrease, I drive like an old man. I just want the car to ride better.
All the rubber parts on a W204 have to be getting hard, because the youngest ones are 10 years old. But how about changing out those worn tires before embarking on a rebuild or re-engineering of the suspension? The tread compound gets progressively harder around 3mm to slow wear. Get something nice and squishy that still compliments that sport suspension like Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 Y speed rated. They come in other speed ratings, but the 186 MPH tire has the most compliant construction to absorb irregularities at very high speeds. Or go a step further and get Primacy Touring A/S, which won’t handle like the PSAS 4.

Seems like since you need them anyway, you don’t lose anything by starting there.
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What tires and size are you currently running?
Stock 17in staggered setup. 225/45 F and 245/40 R. I know the worn tires are definitely contributing to the ride but I also know it’s more than this. I’m not going to go replacing every suspension arm that has a rubber busing at 97k. The rear shock mounts were perfect with zero signs of wear or cracking.
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Stock 17in staggered setup. 225/45 F and 245/40 R. I know the worn tires are definitely contributing to the ride but I also know it’s more than this. I’m not going to go replacing every suspension arm that has a rubber busing at 97k. The rear shock mounts were perfect with zero signs of wear or cracking.
Hmmm. My 2014 C350 Sport uses 18" AMG wheels, staggered.
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I usually don't listen to Scotty Kilmer, but he makes a good point about tires and ride comfort and handling in this video.


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Stock 17in staggered setup. 225/45 F and 245/40 R. I know the worn tires are definitely contributing to the ride but I also know it’s more than this. I’m not going to go replacing every suspension arm that has a rubber busing at 97k. The rear shock mounts were perfect with zero signs of wear or cracking.
Whether 17" or 18", the tires have a ~4" sidewall, which doesn't seem overly aggressive. But staggered configurations are usually equipped with performance tires that tend to be stiffer, and even more so if they're run-flats. If the harsh ride is really annoying, you might want to ask your tire dealer to recommend a cushier option in a squared-up configuration (all 4 tires the same size). Staggered setups require that front and back tires have equal circumferences, and this tends to limit tire choices.
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I had 4+yr old tires on mine, the tread was still ok but the sides were cracking everywhere. The ride was horrible. I replaced all 4 tires with inexpensive tires off Amazon and what a difference, felt like a new car again.
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I usually don't listen to Scotty Kilmer, but he makes a good point about tires and ride comfort and handling in this video.
I just can’t listen to 10 minutes of this guy. If you don’t agree with him beforehand, you’re stupid by his definition.
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I just can’t listen to 10 minutes of this guy. If you don’t agree with him beforehand, you’re stupid by his definition.
His comments about tires and ride quality are not new or unique to him. It's just that he reiterates some good points. But I agree, he is hard to stomach. I keep Rolaids nearby if I happen to see any of his videos.
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