c400benz

but now that the C has moved up, wouldnt the E class price move up as well?

the E you are describing will probably start at 55k.

c400benz

what is this "sport" package you are talking about?

are you talking about the AMG body kit? because if so, that is a $2500 dollar option and it is NOT standard on the c400. as far as i can tell, the only thing that comes standard is the premium package which is $2700

40,400 + 2700 = 43,100 ....so MB is basically asking for over 5k for the upraded engine. the $2500 dollar amg sport kit is not standard. add that to a c400 and you are already at 52k without adding any interior options yet.

joshg1001

...yes, I am referring to the $2500 sport package which is standard on the C400...

DameMD

Can you imagine what a tune would do to this car? 0-60 in 4.6 sec stock is a lot better than the current c350 in mid 5s. This reason alone is worth the increase in price. There is really no need for the c450.

Seylan

I don't really understand why you all complaining about the c400 price. It seems pretty reasonable to me. Leather should have been standard. Considering that it's technically only about $3000 above the C300, I'd say that's a great deal.

c400benz

can you post a link or source to where you got this information from? im looking at the order guide now and it doesnt say anything about the $2500 amg sport kit being standard on a c400.

nyca

A $60K+ C class? No way. You are starting to get up to A7 pricing for a few thousand more. What this price tells me is that Mercedes wants the C to be a 4 cylinder turbo car, because at the price for the V6 they are pushing you into the E.

nyca

Those items will be standard in the new 2016 E - engine, transmission, 4G connectivity, in dash screen. You won't be optioning up to get those items. The new engine and the 9G will eventually get to the C400 as well. Sure, the full leather and driver assistance, etc, will be added cost options, but its still an E class, has more interior room, etc. Just seems like a better value proposition overall.

ddeliber

See attached screen cap from the DOG.

c400_opt.jpg

Personally, I think it is too expensive as a whole, but then again how many people would order a c300 with the sport and premium when they can get the v6 biturbo for just $3k more? I also don't understand why sport is required on a c400. I am sure that there are plenty of people that would prefer the bigger engine with the luxury package. Plus the interior options are very limited - forcing people to get leather if they don't want black (plus no beige even with leather, never saw that before). The way that MB has been pushing MBTex in the past this is new, and odd.

c400benz

thats interesting, ive never seen that before

over here on this page it doesnt say anything about the sport package being standard. it just says that it costs $2500

http://www.benzreport.com/2015-c-class-order-guide/

if it is indeed standard, then that makes the deal a little bit sweeter ($2500 is a large decrease). If i was to remove some other options like multimedia and parktronic it will knock 6k off the price. I was going to cancel my order but may be able to pull it off.

abstractls

My options are hefty as I got basically everything except rear side airbags. I even got the Diamond White Metallic. So mine is going to come in at $64k MSRP, ouch. Oh well I guess I could sleep in it if I needed to lol.

c400benz

do you plan on leasing? if so, how much are you expecting to pay monthly?

thenew3

A E350 with 4matic will start in the mid 50's and run into the mid 60's with a few options. The E400 is replacing the E550, so with 4matic, it's likely to start in the low to mid 60's and easily run into the mid to upper 70's with a few options. So there's still a good 10k to 15k difference from a optioned up C400 vs an optioned up E400.

abstractls

For now I plan on buying, but I may have some things change at work so if that happens I will lease and deduct it.

glayfan40

^^This.....don't hold your breathe that the 2016 E400 will start anywhere near the $55k mark.

ddeliber

Not sure I agree with you on the starting price of the E400s. Sure the E550 went away in the US and the E400 is new; but we are talking about a 6 cylinder, not an 8 (and a smaller one than what is in the E350). Frankly, I have no Idea why both the E350 and E400 would be sold at the same time in the first place, but that appears to be their plan. Having said that, I really have no idea what they plan to charge for the E400, but I would be surprised if they price themselves out of the market when the 535i (with a very similar power train) is starting at $55k.

On top of this, people are still getting about $10k off on e350s right now. Nicely optioned with P1 lane tracking and keyless go you are looking at about $50k. MB blurred things a bit with their discounts so MSRP is pretty much meaningless at the moment. From this, a new C with small if any discounts makes for a pretty confusing marketplace. If the discounts continue on the E's Mercedes is expecting to get more for similarly equipped C350's (edit: meant C400s here) than E350s. Maybe that is reasonable, I don't know but it sure seems odd to me.

DameMD

Thank you. Digitaltrends magazine also states that the E400 would have more horsepower than the c400. They also mention a higher output version so they may receive an e450 or something like that. With the E class now adding the 4cly engine for the states, do you really think the e400 would be only a few thousands away from the c400? LMAO.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/ne...rward/#!bq88JR

I for one will be in a c400 or c450 by beginning of next year with a tune.

thenew3

The $10k discount on E350's will likely go away once the W213 E comes out, at least during the first few months/year. I think the base price of the E will go up a few thousand and the difference between a C400 vs E400 when equally equipped will still likely be in the $10k to $15k range.

ddeliber

I agree with everything you state here, but I was talking about 2015s.

nyca

That is a good point, for the 2015 model year, you are going to see this C/E price "inversion" you note here. Even though its the final year for the current E, its still an E class, and the C400 4Ms are going to be priced several thousand dollars more than a well equipped E350.

nyca

I think MBUSA is going to be surprised at how few of their buyers want a 4 cylinder E class. The E550 never sold well, E segment buyers are conditioned to seeing the E as a 6 cylinder car - the E400 will be the "standard" E to most buyers, with the 4 cylinder E being seen as the "stripper" model. So if they go crazy and price the E400 too up market, overall E sales are going to take a big hit.

MDMercedesGuy

I wouldn't be so sure about that. The number of 4 cylinder 528i's around here is staggering.

You're going to have 2 types of people buying the 4 cylinder E:

• Those who are buying the car for the badge, but a C is too small. These are the people who are going to lease the stripper cars.
• Those like myself who find anything more than 4 cylinders in a passenger car to be excessive, and who will option the car like they want and then buy it.

imboom

I believe the issue is more with the fact that the earlier w204 C350's were in the mid 40's well equipped. My C350 cost me $43k and I was paying MSRP. Granted it is 7 years ago, but people have a hard time grasping a $4x,000 car vs a $5x,000 car. The question then becomes, how much better of a car are you getting? I can name plenty of $50,000 and under cars that may be a better value, the ES350 from Lexus being one of them.

Most early w204 C350 buyers were also looking at the 335i and 335i were more expensive MSRP wise than the C350's, now that the C400 is more in line with 335xi prices, the value to them aren't completely there.

djejglk

lol, i know! what's up with that?

djejglk

very true...but, the c400 is "forcing" 2 packages on you. I guess anyone in the market for a car like this would likely get those 2 packages anyways. after seeing that performance video, I kind of understand the price.

a twin turbo v-6 is pretty mean and nimble, plus not a complete gas guzzler.

oh well, in a couple of years, a CPO c400 might look extremely enticing.

the ONLY thing wrong with every single model is a back up camera is not standard. I just think that's crazy. there's so many cars nowadays that a rear view camera is standard. it's like it's almost a safety feature that shouldn't even be thought about...it should just come with it. a step in the right direction is at least offering it stand alone and not bundled into a $2000+ package.