frank69m

Anyone see this in sports plus:








Pretty impressed....dare I say the c63 will be under 4.

capflam

I can confirm that. Bought mine yesterday and it is truly brutal!

mikeyw

The C63 might even struggle to beat that without a very grippy start.

jbbeauso

There is some debate as to how accurately those runs were clocked. The official time posted by MB is 5.2 seconds for 0-100 km/h although that might be a more conservative estimate. I noticed that the idle RPM just before the sport + run is pretty high. I wonder if some sort of launch control technique was used....

alihou007

C63 0-60 times are anywhere between 3.6 to 4.3 depending on the MY.

C400 is no slouch but not in the same league as the C63...

capflam

All I can tell you is that it is very very fast to get to the 60mph. Less than 5 sec would not surprise me at all based on my experience with my C400. I'll try to test on my own and with video but I'm pretty sure I am under 5 sec.
My previous car was at approx. 6.3 sec and this one is significantly faster, you can feel it right away especially in Sport + mode.

Germancar1

With the C400 putting out this type of performance, it will be tricky for them to put the C450 in between the C400 and the C63 AMG.

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DameMD

That's because they brake torqued the Sport + mode like most mag editors do. Motortrend and Car and driver always does this to get the most out of the 0-60 times. The average driver will not be brake torquing at the light to get 0-60 times so conservatively it would be around 5.0-5.2.

Just an FYI .... MB stated that the outgoing c350 is 5.9 0-60; however, we have also seen motortrend and car & driver get the c350 at 5.4 0-60 and 14.0 quartermile. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...50_comparison/
I personally ran my car at the local track and ran a 13.879 and all I had was drop in Air Filter and resonator delete.

This still gives us a good idea of how fast the C400 really is. I can't wait until Renntech, Weistec, Kleemann and others get their hands on this car.

jyeh74

Unfortunately, compared to the 3 series, it still drives like a boat.

c4004matic

Stop eating magic mushrooms......

c4004matic

A little torque braking helps most cars, but it specially helps turbos the most since it eliminates lag. It is also harmless unless you are doing it all the time.

bwoodbmw

coming from a 3 series owner that is likely to purchase a W205 I can tell you it does drive like a bit of a boat compared to the 335... speed wise its just as quick if not quicker, but feel is a world apart.

c4004matic

Cant wait for the Comparison tests....... The only way the C drives like a boat is if the boat is an America's Cup racer!
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/att...tnz-3-6-13.jpg


Again, someone is confusing a crustier ride with better performance

c4004matic

BTW, the Mercedes specification "time slip" is 5.2 according to the specification on the brochure. Of course, as we see here, that can be improved by torque braking quite significantly.

PeterUbers

There is more to the drive than the 0-60 playas, re: c450. That's why the bimmers are so appealing. Most people on forums seem content enough if their 0-60 is superior to another car...

The c450 will be nice ... More torque across the band, passing power, rolling starts, pulling out if corners, for those that care: better handling

c4004matic

And lest we forget an additional 20k. If you want a track car fine. But for the real world I'll keep my 400. Plus it will be RWD only a big drawback for us winter states.

Germancar1

How do you know the C450 will be RWD only? There has been nothing mentioned about that. If anything it will be RWD with optional AWD since they're tackling the Audi S4 and the upcoming 340i.

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PeterUbers

You're right, you gotta pay to play but I'm amazed at the daily driveability of performance Benz/amg cars.... I predict 4matic and a nice daily driver setting in the user menu for the c450

PeterUbers

Agreed, likely 4matic option on c450. Benz exec said no 4matic on new c63/c63S because they want to keep it in a certain price point ... But I can see it in the c450 as the c400 4-matic hardware will likely already support the bump in hp/tq from c400-->c450

Interesting times we live in... Do you guys remember how boring the 90's and very early 2000's were for Benz???

c4004matic

The other engines I had read out for the c series were a 420 and a 503 HP, both RWD. We'll see in a few mths.
personally I don't see the reason for another twinner, given that the next level after the c400 is the M3. A couple of AMGs should cover that and more.

PeterUbers

There's this amg-lite market out there ... Like the s-line trim and //M competition packages etc etc and F-trim for lex ... Benz never had that and I think they're just now getting into it... "Amg" logos on non amg's doesn't count.

They'll find a price point for everyone!

c4004matic

There are certainly a million 3 series variations

PeterUbers

Lol, yes! I never sat down to buy a bmw and probably never will but it's gotta be a complex process as you said... A million iterations of a 3 series... Which one do you get...which ones do they keep on the lot?? Too complex lol

Germancar1

The C450 is replacing the C400 for the 2016 model year. I also didn't see how they would position a C450 between the C400 and the C63, but they've solved that. C450 replaces the C400. Makes perfect sense to me. You will have the C300 (241hp), C450 (362hp) and the C63 in either 469hp or 503hp guise.

Mercedes is going really match the BMW 3/4-Series car for car this time. Expect a coupe and a convertible with these same engines. A C450 Convertible would be a better car than today's E350/E400 Convertible IMO.

Then we have to address the new I6 engines that are supposed to arrive for the 2017 model year. I would suspect that the model designations won't change, but the hp will. We may even see the C300 replaced by a I6 in low turbo form and the C250 re-introduced to the U.S. market with power similar to or more than the current C300. All just my speculation.

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AMG Boost

Agreed this is not in the same league as next gen C63. However the fact this is a 4Matic it will have a huge advantage in wet, cold, or snowy conditions if the two were to have a race from a dig. Just saying. Not to mention altitude losses factored in for the 6.3L M156.

This C400 is decent!