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Old 02-14-2015, 04:01 PM
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W205 250cdi 4matic, amg ext/int, 485 suspension
Originally Posted by mikbar2
4 mm is equal to app. 1/8 of an inch. Not much for the price of tires.
Knowing sport suspension lowers it by 15 mm this is about 1/3 - you need to see it and evaluate the impact before you spend any money ...
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C250 CDI coupe, Obsidian Black Vision Pack, Drive Assist Plus pack, Comfort Pack, Rev Camera
Here's mine.

Mind the brake dust!

Love the 2tone multi spokes too.
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W205 250cdi 4matic, amg ext/int, 485 suspension
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Here's mine.

Mind the brake dust!

Love the 2tone multi spokes too.
Would you please clarify engine, line, suspension type - sport or standard ?

A photo like mine would allow us to better see how the tire and wheel sit against car body

Thank you
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Would you please clarify engine, line, suspension type - sport or standard ?

A photo like mine would allow us to better see how the tire and wheel sit against car body

Thank you
Amo
In in Australia so might be slightly diff packages.

It's a c250 petrol with AMG line.
All options except Airmatic. Steel sport suspension lowered 15mm

I'll upload another when I get it out of the garage. Have to move 2 cars to get there! I'll also measure the height and gap.

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I'd be really suprised if they aren't using different springs for 300 vs the heavier 400.

Typically there is a difference in spring rates between cars with different options to account for weight (ie engine size/type, sedan vs. wagon, AWD vs RWD, etc.). A diesel wagon will be heavier up front and in the rear than a gasoline sedan.
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The W205 uses 32 different front springs, I am confident that the C300 and the C400 does not use the same ones.
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W205 250cdi 4matic, amg ext/int, 485 suspension
Springs should be different - 100kg+ Weight on c400.

However I am concerned about the 1inch+ difference in tire to fender distance (c300 vs c400). The look changes completely ... Having so many springs types should avoid these situations. Am I right?

Also, is it true the distance might decrease a bit over time ?

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Yes it might drop a few millimeters due to bushings and joints settling, but don't expect to much.
If you are concerned about height I would get a lowering spring kit or if your wallet is up for it, a coilover set.
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W205 250cdi 4matic, amg ext/int, 485 suspension
Are any of these provided by mb? How difficult is to mount them? Side effects ?

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Anyone know if MB uses any shipping casters or pucks for the transport of our cars to the dealer?

There are some thread about the new VW Gti not getting their pucks removed during the dealer prep which caused the springs to not drop.
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@oachim, unfortunately no, but look into H&R, they have a nice high quality lineup of lowering Products.


@chuckieboy, no such things in mercs.
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hey guys I have a US spec C 300 sport suspension. My ground to fender height is 27 1/4 inches my wheel gap in the front is 2 1/4 inch and my gap in the back is just under 2 inches.

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hey guys I have a US spec C 300 sport suspension. My ground to fender height is 27 1/4 inches my wheel gap in the front is 2 1/4 inch and my gap in the back is just under 2 inches.

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Wow. That's quite a bit different than my Sport RWD C300 (2.5" gap in front and like 2.7" in the rear). My fender height is 28". Maybe the car lowers over a short time after delivery.

Is your car AWD or RWD and when was it manufactured?
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W205 250cdi 4matic, amg ext/int, 485 suspension
would you please confirm you're both on 18" wheels 225/45 front and 245/40 rear ? if so, the difference you see (1/4 inch ) might come from tires' heights difference.

to try to understand the difference in ground to fender distance, would you please mention the main options there : 4matic, automatic transmission, pano roof, burmester, hand free boot, anything you consider might add significant weight to your car ?

amo

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Originally Posted by oachim
would you please confirm you're both on 18" wheels 225/45 front and 245/40 rear ? if so, the difference you see (1/4 inch ) might come from tires' heights difference.

to try to understand the difference in ground to fender distance, would you please mention the main options there : 4matic, automatic transmission, pano roof, burmester, hand free boot, anything you consider might add significant weight to your car ?

amo
I have 4matic (build date 8/14) on the 18" amg 5spokes with a panoramic roof, burmester, and I can't think of any other option that would add substantial weight. I have close to 6000 miles on the car at this point and have 33lbs of tire pressure all the way around. Hope that helps. Btw, I just went out to remeasure to make sure I wasn't losing it and those measurements are correct. 27 1/4 inch ground to fender in the front with 27" in the rear and a 2 and 1/4 and 2" gap respectively.
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Wow. That's quite a bit different than my Sport RWD C300 (2.5" gap in front and like 2.7" in the rear). My fender height is 28". Maybe the car lowers over a short time after delivery.

Is your car AWD or RWD and when was it manufactured?
I'm still convinced that the standard suspensions are making it on some of the sport models. Those are the same exact measurements I've got on my base C300 4Matic. I bet if I were to look up the Datacard on your vehicle, it would show SA Code 485 for suspension.

On the plus side, the ride should be slightly better.
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Mine sits beautifully low as well.
Just checked the VIN online and I have code 486 sports suspension.
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W205 250cdi 4matic, amg ext/int, 485 suspension
Originally Posted by megaoctane
Mine sits beautifully low as well.
Just checked the VIN online and I have code 486 sports suspension.
Could you please measure ground to fender distance ?

Thanks
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My options

Here are my options. I have the same tire sizes as posted above.

So I wonder if they are putting non-sport springs on the RWD Sport models.

Mine was one of the first RWD C300's send to my dealership in Texas.
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Originally Posted by chuckieboy
Here are my options. I have the same tire sizes as posted above.

So I wonder if they are putting non-sport springs on the RWD Sport models.

Mine was one of the first RWD C300's send to my dealership in Texas.
Try to look online for the build sheet of your car by VIN. And look and see if it says SA Code 485 or 486 for suspension.
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Just checked the VIN online and I have code 486 sports suspension.
Where can I find this info online? I have a print out that my dealer gave me when they located a car for me. It shows code 321 "Sport Package" but doesn't say sports suspension anywhere. I know I've got it, just wondering where to go to get a bit more detailed information. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by vic viper
All Mercs has a point system for calculating spring stiffness, the C400 have more points in the base build pattern and then you add points for every option added, such as Auto transmission, moon roof and so on.


This should make every vehicle similar in height but they will never be exactly the same.


I am surprised how Mercedes over time always seem to have chosen a rather large weheel gap, even on sport models,
looking at the competition such as BMW or Audi they usually have a much more aggressive stance.
That makes no sense....

These cars are mass produced using the same calibrated suspension systems, and so every identically configured vehicle should have identical ride heights. And Airmatic equipped vehicles should also because it's supposed to adjust on the fly.
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The chassis equipment are always the same in each of the different SA setups, but the springs are different due to car equipment and weight.


However if you have sports suspension the springs fitted to these vehicles are always labeled (coded) with the SA number, so there is only a specific range of springs used for sports suspension and so on.
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Originally Posted by vic viper
The chassis equipment are always the same in each of the different SA setups, but the springs are different due to car equipment and weight.


However if you have sports suspension the springs fitted to these vehicles are always labeled (coded) with the SA number, so there is only a specific range of springs used for sports suspension and so on.
Well, no, because every car with identical equipment will have identical weight.

Here is an example of a common dealer configuration in the US:

C300 4Matic
Premium Package
Sports Package
Pano Roof
Backup Camera
Blind Sport Monitor
MB Tex

EVERY car of this configuration (and the dealers do carry a lot of these identical configured cars) should have identical ride heights. We can't choose our Suspension options here, we only have Luxury Package, Standard (no Sports Package), or Sports Package - 3 suspension choices and they come in packages.


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