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Updates: The MB-Tex Problem

Old Jan 29, 2015 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by gnus
Interesting MBUSA had an independant lab test it, but still can't/won't say what the substance actually is?
He didn't know if it was Mercedes or the manufacturer of the MB Tex that had the independent lab test run, but my guess is that it was the manufacturer.
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 11:52 AM
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The substance is plasticiser. What we don't know is which plasticiser.
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck
The substance is plasticiser. What we don't know is which plasticiser.
Exactly. They knew that much, just didn't know which one.
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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 02:14 PM
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Just got a call from MB-USA. They told me that my dealer did have the new seat bottom to go with the rest of the repair kit, and that they hoped to have the entire interior completed by Friday. Only after that's finished will they tackle the other issues.. They have a list of the work to be done, and I was assured everything would be taken care of.

Just as I hung up the phone with MB-USA, my dealer's service manager called and verified that they're finishing the seats right now. The shop foreman is doing all the work, and it was described to me as "tedious." The covers are attached with "hog rings" and clips in the foam, and they have to be handled carefully so the foam is not damaged.



The manager just inspected the work and said the seats look perfect. She also verified that MB-Tex in all colors is affected, and they are seeing some bleeding on the grey and beige as well as the black, but to a lesser degree.

The car should be ready next week, when all the work has been completed.

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Old Jan 29, 2015 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by StanNH
Just got a call from MB-USA. They told me that my dealer did have the new seat bottom to go with the rest of the repair kit, and that they hoped to have the entire interior completed by Friday. Only after that's finished will they tackle the other issues.. They have a list of the work to be done, and I was assured everything would be taken care of.

Just as I hung up the phone with MB-USA, my dealer's service manager called and verified that they're finishing the seats right now. The shop foreman is doing all the work, and it was described to me as "tedious." The covers are attached with "hog rings" and clips in the foam, and they have to be handled carefully so the foam is not damaged.

The manager just inspected the work and said the seats look perfect. She also verified that MB-Tex in all colors is affected, and they are seeing some bleeding on the grey and beige as well as the black, but to a lesser degree.

The car should be ready next week, when all the work has been completed.

Something positive; we are all rooting for you so keep us posted.
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Old Feb 5, 2015 | 12:33 AM
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A few items. First, this is not standard MB Tex that's been used for decades. It's entirely new, made by a company called Benecke-Kalicko, which is a subsidiary of ContiTec, the company that makes Continental tires. The seat material product name is Acello. It was designed for the 2015 C300, and the design model was the Acello material they make for the Audi A4.

Take a look at the Benecke-Kalicko website, go to the "news" section, there is a press release from July 2014 about this (and thanks to the MBWorld member who provided the link). You can also scroll around to the automotive interiors section and get to Acello, with more description of the product.

I sent a detailed formal request to my MB case manager (and if you are reading this, I apologize--you drew the short straw!) requesting the "independent" lab test that's been discussed on this forum; MSDS sheets for all involved materials, and also the byproducts such as the oil, any chemical fumes/ aerosols; and information if these chemicals infiltrate any other part of the cabin. Since MB clearly has these documents and answers, I'll be adding a strict time limit to my request shortly. If they still will not provide the info, then its' off to the races--NHTSA, state AG office, lemon law, Merchandising Practices Act-- all considerations.

I'm not letting my family back into this vehicle until I'm convinced it's safe. Going to extremes, even brief asbestos exposure can cause mesothelioma years down the road. While this is a far outlier, without knowing what chemicals are involved and potentially still linger, none of us should simply take MB's word.

The Acello online info takes pains to state that no "reproductive toxic plasticizers" are used--this means plasticizers that are known to adversely affect human reproductive capability. What this tells us is that chemicals in the seats are known to be potentially harmful. We need to know the details surrounding this issue--and I think every one of us should individually demand this info from our MB reps.

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Old Feb 9, 2015 | 11:54 PM
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MB-tex issue

Just picked up my car last week and has the same problem. Shiny oily residue on the seats when warm and gross white residue when cold. This is ridiculous for MB quality. They should have never delivered the vehicle knowing of the problem. Seems like the issue is in Canada also as that's where I am.
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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by KMCMA
Just picked up my car last week and has the same problem. Shiny oily residue on the seats when warm and gross white residue when cold. This is ridiculous for MB quality. They should have never delivered the vehicle knowing of the problem. Seems like the issue is in Canada also as that's where I am.
Your seat looks awful !! Yes, I understand that there have been a good number of Canadian W205 owners, especially in the Greater Toronto area, with this MBTex problem.
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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 12:45 AM
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Yes I'm in the greater Toronto area. Had I known of this problem I might have gotten the leather seat package! Never expected this from MB. The car only has 76 km on it, and I can't drive it like this. The oozing is just too disgusting.
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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 02:28 AM
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Yes I'm in the greater Toronto area. Had I known of this problem I might have gotten the leather seat package! Never expected this from MB. The car only has 76 km on it, and I can't drive it like this. The oozing is just too disgusting.


Some people have defended MB because they are replacing the MBTex bleeding seats. Yet, these same people look past the sad truth that MB continues to knowingly sell defective cars to the public.

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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 07:52 AM
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Some people have defended MB because they are replacing the MBTex bleeding seats. Yet, these same people look face the sad truth that MB dealers continue to knowingly sell defective cars to the public.
Fixed it

I do agree that the dealer shouldn't have delivered this car without at least a warning about what could (and was likely to) happen so that this person wouldn't need to deal with a nasty surprise.

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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 08:52 AM
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Just ordered a 15 C300W4. I did get the Interior Pkg with leather, so this won't be an issue. Not for nothing, for the marginal increase in pricing, you would have gotten real leather, heated and ventilated seats, ambient lighting, and illuminated door sills. $2300 beats a headache any day!!

Now granted, it is MB, and it's not the $$, this problem definitely was overlooked for the MB-Tex owners. Sorry all! Just encountered this with a customer. The "warm, mildly soapy water" cleaning seemed to work.
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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by timanto
Just ordered a 15 C300W4. I did get the Interior Pkg with leather, so this won't be an issue. Not for nothing, for the marginal increase in pricing, you would have gotten real leather, heated and ventilated seats, ambient lighting, and illuminated door sills. $2300 beats a headache any day!!

Now granted, it is MB, and it's not the $$, this problem definitely was overlooked for the MB-Tex owners. Sorry all! Just encountered this with a customer. The "warm, mildly soapy water" cleaning seemed to work.
I'm not sure I understand this. You're saying it's the fault of the buyer for not ordering the interior package with leather? I'm sure a lot of us, myself included, would have gotten leather if we knew then what we know now. Since not even MB knew of the problem at that point, why would any other choice have been made ... if one selected an interior material that had a reputation for durability and good looks?

Also. cleaning with warm, soapy water is a temporary fix and does nothing to eliminate the problem. It always comes back.
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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 09:43 AM
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I'm not sure I understand this. You're saying it's the fault of the buyer for not ordering the interior package with leather? I'm sure a lot of us, myself included, would have gotten leather if we knew then what we know now. Since not even MB knew of the problem at that point, why would any other choice have been made ... if one selected an interior material that had a reputation for durability and good looks?

Also. cleaning with warm, soapy water is a temporary fix and does nothing to eliminate the problem. It always comes back.

God no- I feel for anyone with this issue- I was saying it as for me, for my car. I ordered the interior pkg so I won't have to deal with this. I hope MB fixes anyones and everyones issue with the seats. People buy MB for a reason- this DEFINITELY isn't one of them.

Please do not take anything out of context. We're all here to inform and help each other, no?
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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 09:56 AM
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Did you get your car back?
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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 10:17 AM
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God no- I feel for anyone with this issue- I was saying it as for me, for my car. I ordered the interior pkg so I won't have to deal with this. I hope MB fixes anyones and everyones issue with the seats. People buy MB for a reason- this DEFINITELY isn't one of them.

Please do not take anything out of context. We're all here to inform and help each other, no?
The post had me confused. It sounded like you were saying people should have gotten the leather ... after the fact.

In any case, new production after 1/5/15 is unaffected, so MB-Tex should once again be a safe choice for those who don't opt for leather. On the other hand, I wouldn't touch an MB-Tex car on a dealer's lot made before that date ... unless the dealer could show me that it had the new seat covers and headrests already installed.
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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 10:18 AM
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Did you get your car back?
Yes, with a very good outcome.

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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by StanNH
The post had me confused. It sounded like you were saying people should have gotten the leather ... after the fact.

In any case, new production after 1/5/15 is unaffected, so MB-Tex should once again be a safe choice for those who don't opt for leather. On the other hand, I wouldn't touch an MB-Tex car on a dealer's lot made before that date ... unless the dealer could show me that it had the new seat covers and headrests already installed.
My apologies.
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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 10:35 AM
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My apologies.
Not necessary at all. The problem with posting anything online is that there's no way of knowing the emotional context of the post. A smile, a smirk, a laugh ... any expressions at all .. are invisible to the reader. That's why emoticons became popular. As overused as they may be, sometimes it's the only way of putting a "face" to a post.



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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 10:46 AM
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Haha! now I definitely can't wait until 8pm....
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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 11:22 AM
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Pics of MB tex on newer build

Don't know if this pic is useful to anyone, but will show what MB Tex material is being used now.
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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 11:23 AM
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Haha! now I definitely can't wait until 8pm....
8pm? Around here time is usually 4 or 5pm. Even so, if it's currently only noon, we know that it's 5pm somewhere!
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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 11:31 AM
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Don't know if this pic is useful to anyone, but will show what MB Tex material is being used now.
American made cars getting German vinyl produced in Mexico. Perfect!
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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 08:18 PM
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Just picked up my car last week and has the same problem. Shiny oily residue on the seats when warm and gross white residue when cold. This is ridiculous for MB quality. They should have never delivered the vehicle knowing of the problem. Seems like the issue is in Canada also as that's where I am.
This is why I don't buy first year production, too many issues!
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Old Feb 10, 2015 | 08:29 PM
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This is why I don't buy first year production, too many issues!
Yes well it was either the MB or the second last year of the Audi S4. This is my third Mercedes. I thought it was a good bet! Who knew lol. In hind sight I did have the first year of the ML back in 2006, but only minor issues. I just have to sit and wait for the dealer to get back to me I guess......
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