Has anyone got a C350e on Order / Feedback ?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/transport-minister-andrew-jones-welcomes-huge-rise-in-take-up-of-ultra-low-emissions-vehicles
The minister for transport welcomes this huge rise. Obviously the grant is not forever and will finish one day but the purpose of the grant is to encourage people to buy electric vehicles. The purpose is not yet achieved. Once it is achieve they might extend or stop with a notice. Before that all are rumours from irritable sources. Forums are not a accurate source of information. Need to follow transport authority and low emission athourity not some guy on the forum
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/t...sions-vehicles
The minister for transport welcomes this huge rise. Obviously the grant is not forever and will finish one day but the purpose of the grant is to encourage people to buy electric vehicles. The purpose is not yet achieved. Once it is achieve they might extend or stop with a notice. Before that all are rumours from irritable sources. Forums are not a accurate source of information. Need to follow transport authority and low emission athourity not some guy on the forum
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...rom-april-2015
This is the bit that pushes the 18inch wheeled C350e out of the £5k grant and I believe is the basis of the Rumour here
I have also emailed olev.enquiries@olev.gsi.gov.uk (The Office of Low Emission Vehicles) to request further information regarding the statement in the article above which says:
"In May 2015 we will commence a review of plug in grant levels. Following this review, new levels of grant will be available per category. We will communicate the changes as soon as they are agreed."
As this seems to indicate different levels of Grant based on the category the car falls within. But no details on this are currently available.
D.
Last edited by shmern; Jun 15, 2015 at 01:08 PM.
Category 1: CO2 emissions of less than 50g/km and a zero emission range of at least 70 miles
Category 2: CO2 emissions of less than 50g/km and a zero emission range between 10 and 69 miles
Category 3: CO2 emissions of 50-75g/km and a zero emission range of at least 20 miles
The diagram below explains the new categories.
As you have ordered one, you should know that the C350e has an official EV range of 19 miles so a car with 18" wheels (52g/km) fails all 3 categories and thus will not qualify for the £ 5k grant
Please do not accuse me of providing misleading information when it is you that are wrong. Suggest you read the whole document at
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...grant-vehicles
Category 1: CO2 emissions of less than 50g/km and a zero emission range of at least 70 miles
Category 2: CO2 emissions of less than 50g/km and a zero emission range between 10 and 69 miles
Category 3: CO2 emissions of 50-75g/km and a zero emission range of at least 20 miles
The diagram below explains the new categories.
As you have ordered one, you should know that the C350e has an official EV range of 19 miles so a car with 18" wheels (52g/km) fails all 3 categories and thus will not qualify for the £ 5k grant
Please do not accuse me of providing misleading information when it is you that are wrong. Suggest you read the whole document at
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...grant-vehicles
Doesn't make a difference to the grant for 18inch wheeled 350e cars as they will currently fail anyway, but *may* mean those that do qualify may be eligible for a different amount and I doubt that amount will be more
I suspect Cat 2 and Cat 3 may be reduced grants but I await a response from the Office of Low Emission Vehicles
Category 1: CO2 emissions of less than 50g/km and a zero emission range of at least 70 miles
Category 2: CO2 emissions of less than 50g/km and a zero emission range between 10 and 69 miles
Category 3: CO2 emissions of 50-75g/km and a zero emission range of at least 20 miles
The diagram below explains the new categories.
As you have ordered one, you should know that the C350e has an official EV range of 19 miles so a car with 18" wheels (52g/km) fails all 3 categories and thus will not qualify for the £ 5k grant
Please do not accuse me of providing misleading information when it is you that are wrong. Suggest you read the whole document at
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...grant-vehicles
You are correct that 18" wheeled C350e Estate is category three.
You are wrong where you say "will not qualify for the grant".
Quoted from section 5 of the very page you linked to (which I suggest you read again): "The cap will remain at £5,000 for all cars, regardless of which category they are in, until further notice."
We're in the stage now, where it's under review. Any orders already placed and locked in, and will be delivered within 9 months of order, should be OK.
MB are going to stop taking orders with grant money at all, for any new orders placed from the 24th June.
The truth is- no one knows, yet, what grant money there will be for >50g CO2 Pi-Hybrids once the review at OLEV has taken place! It doesn't take a genius to assume the fact they've separated them into three categories, would make the likelihood of different levels of grant HIGHLY likely however.
You are correct that 18" wheeled C350e Estate is category three.
You are wrong where you say "will not qualify for the grant".
Quoted from section 5 of the very page you linked to (which I suggest you read again): "The cap will remain at £5,000 for all cars, regardless of which category they are in, until further notice."
We're in the stage now, where it's under review. Any orders already placed and locked in, and will be delivered within 9 months of order, should be OK.
MB are going to stop taking orders with grant money at all, for any new orders placed from the 24th June.
The truth is- no one knows, yet, what grant money there will be for >50g CO2 Pi-Hybrids once the review at OLEV has taken place! It doesn't take a genius to assume the fact they've separated them into three categories, would make the likelihood of different levels of grant HIGHLY likely however.
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You are correct that 18" wheeled C350e Estate is category three.
You are wrong where you say "will not qualify for the grant".
Quoted from section 5 of the very page you linked to (which I suggest you read again): "The cap will remain at £5,000 for all cars, regardless of which category they are in, until further notice."
We're in the stage now, where it's under review. Any orders already placed and locked in, and will be delivered within 9 months of order, should be OK.
MB are going to stop taking orders with grant money at all, for any new orders placed from the 24th June.
The truth is- no one knows, yet, what grant money there will be for >50g CO2 Pi-Hybrids once the review at OLEV has taken place! It doesn't take a genius to assume the fact they've separated them into three categories, would make the likelihood of different levels of grant HIGHLY likely however.
The other thing that may be meaning MB not taking orders is the rumor of the 9g transmission coming to the S/W205 platform for MY17, that is likely to lower the g/km and mpg higher as well.. Meaning a possibility of a change of category for some.
D.
The other thing that may be meaning MB not taking orders is the rumor of the 9g transmission coming to the S/W205 platform for MY17, that is likely to lower the g/km and mpg higher as well.. Meaning a possibility of a change of category for some.
D.
Time will tell whether that has any implications for existing orders I suppose, it's a mindfield to decipher as there's not a lot of information, and no one seems to know for 100% that I've spoken to.
Looking at the eligible list of cars, there's more than the C350e with higher emissions than 50g/km, with range lower than 20 miles. My feeling is for the moment, until anything is confirmed- any car on that list is eligible until the money runs out and the new scheme comes in. Just a feeling though... Hopefully you'll get a response from OLEV, though knowing these organisations- they probably don't know either...!
Last edited by famousgrouse; Jun 18, 2015 at 11:38 AM. Reason: range
Time will tell whether that has any implications for existing orders I suppose, it's a mindfield to decipher as there's not a lot of information, and no one seems to know for 100% that I've spoken to.
Looking at the eligible list of cars, there's more than the C350e with higher emissions than 50g/km, with range lower than 20 miles. My feeling is for the moment, until anything is confirmed- any car on that list is eligible until the money runs out and the new scheme comes in. Just a feeling though... Hopefully you'll get a response from OLEV, though knowing these organisations- they probably don't know either...!
On another forum the consensus of opinion is that the Cat 3 has been set to differentiate cars like the S500 and Porsche from other Plug In's and then reduce the grant to 0 ! Between Mercedes and the Government they couldn't organise a drink in a brewery
Interestingly, Mercedes have always assumed the grant applies. And still do. Check the brochure, the c350e estate with Premium or premium plus still shows the grant money, even though they've included 18" alloys.
Honestly I think old orders shouldn't have a problem, but we'll see...
I'd hate for my order to go t1ts up as a result of the wheels. I would have been happy with 17" wheels honestly, just didn't want a "basic" car, the features of premium plus are all things I want. That the wheels needed changing has hurt my tax bill enough as it is, were the price to jump £5k as well then it's not going to happen...
Interestingly, Mercedes have always assumed the grant applies. And still do. Check the brochure, the c350e estate with Premium or premium plus still shows the grant money, even though they've included 18" alloys.
Honestly I think old orders shouldn't have a problem, but we'll see...
I'd hate for my order to go t1ts up as a result of the wheels. I would have been happy with 17" wheels honestly, just didn't want a "basic" car, the features of premium plus are all things I want. That the wheels needed changing has hurt my tax bill enough as it is, were the price to jump £5k as well then it's not going to happen...
Under current rules there is simply a 75g cap for the £5,000 grant. Provide the manufacturer has had the car approved by OLEV that is basically all there is to it. There are no other conditions. All variants of the C350e qualify. These are the rules until 50,000 grants have been awarded. As has been said the initial 50,000 grants are running out. Thereafter there is £200m minimum to spend over the next few years on car grants. Given the current rate of utilisation following in particular the Mitsubishi PHEV and now the C350e that wouldn't last long at the current £5,000 per car., probably a year at most as the range of good value qualifying cars increases. OLEV has created the three categories, published earlier this year but they currently have absolutely no application. It has not publicly said what is happening next but is actively considering it. It can only be hoped they are publishing soon as uncertainty is not fair on the driver or their company as the pricing differential required will fall on one of them if the grant is not available. In practice orders would be cancelled at the start if the employer / driver were not prepared to pick up the extra costs.
Under current rules there is simply a 75g cap for the £5,000 grant. Provide the manufacturer has had the car approved by OLEV that is basically all there is to it. There are no other conditions. All variants of the C350e qualify. These are the rules until 50,000 grants have been awarded. As has been said the initial 50,000 grants are running out. Thereafter there is £200m minimum to spend over the next few years on car grants. Given the current rate of utilisation following in particular the Mitsubishi PHEV and now the C350e that wouldn't last long at the current £5,000 per car., probably a year at most as the range of good value qualifying cars increases. OLEV has created the three categories, published earlier this year but they currently have absolutely no application. It has not publicly said what is happening next but is actively considering it. It can only be hoped they are publishing soon as uncertainty is not fair on the driver or their company as the pricing differential required will fall on one of them if the grant is not available. In practice orders would be cancelled at the start if the employer / driver were not prepared to pick up the extra costs.
First time poster. I got some bad news from my dealer today. Apparently Europe wide they have delayed the production of all c350e. I ordered mine on 8th March and was due to be in production now to pick up in July.
The official party line is that they have so much demand that they cannot cater for it so all production has been postponed. It currently looks like (and was advised not to rely on this) October delivery date for me.
I am not getting the car for company tax purposes so didn't really look into the BIK etc but I wonder reading about the other posts about it not being in that category whether Mercedes could not agree with the UK government. Thus, they have gone back to modifying the car. I know when I ordered the car they had not got official approval for C350e and only towards the end of Mar the grant was confirmed for me.
The guy I am dealing with is fantastic but the explanation is a little feeble imho.
Btw I ordered estate with PP and 18".
Last edited by Veegtec; Jun 19, 2015 at 07:47 PM. Reason: Adding information
The price came through £115 per month higher!
When I picked myself up off the floor, we contacted them again. They reinstated the original order at the lower price and changed the order with the dealer. Phew, that was a close one!
Delivery estimated 17th Feb.......
First time poster. I got some bad news from my dealer today. Apparently Europe wide they have delayed the production of all c350e. I ordered mine on 8th March and was due to be in production now to pick up in July.
The official party line is that they have so much demand that they cannot cater for it so all production has been postponed. It currently looks like (and was advised not to rely on this) October delivery date for me.
I am not getting the car for company tax purposes so didn't really look into the BIK etc but I wonder reading about the other posts about it not being in that category whether Mercedes could not agree with the UK government. Thus, they have gone back to modifying the car. I know when I ordered the car they had not got official approval for C350e and only towards the end of Mar the grant was confirmed for me.
The guy I am dealing with is fantastic but the explanation is a little feeble imho.
Btw I ordered estate with PP and 18".
Reason I'm hoping this.... I get the feeling my order might not arrive until MY17 !
We ordered 3 with them and the other 2 look like 2016 now…….but we remain open minded. Normally in June they are getting Sept/oct build slots allocated so this was a surprise to them, and they are talking about stepping up the production. Specifically the estate and C350e configuration is a slow one apparently….the production line is configured for sedans/Saloons more often it would appear.
The corporate manager also confirmed that they have sold 30+ to date, never yet driven one and only saw 1 into their Kings lynn branch for customer delivery already. She also confirmed that MB Uk have instructed the lease companies to stop including the £5k grant in their quotes as car deliveries will be past the 9 months (from May) they guaranteed from the OFLEV.



