Gungaslow

If they do that will they change all the paper work depicting it's a c43 instead of a c450? The registration would show c450 cause it's tied to the vin... How would that work? Can they even legally do that?

Maritime

Mercedes can call it anything they want. Under the title acts in all states, the vin is the only thing of consequence. Substance governs over form.

Zand3rs

If your car is sold as a 450 AMG Sport its still going to be a 450 AMG Sport, registrations on all cars will not magically change.

If you own a 450 now its going to stay that way forever!
If you re badge your car it wont make it a true AMG!

Supposedly its going to happen between Jun/Jul. (might change)
From a very reliable source from Mercedes!

Maritime

Nope! Maybe in Sweden that's so, but here, title certificates can be amended or supplemented. It is a very simple matter in most states. Every state has a certificate of title act. Any certificate of title can be amended or supplemented as to contents. It is a ministerial, non discretionary duty in all agencies. It involves only an application and a fee. Even the vin can be changed on certain grounds.

If you are arguing metaphysics, this isn't metaphysics.

Oh, and be very, very clear on this: in the U.S., under title certificate acts, registration is NOT title, or evidence of it but the mere right, prima facie, to possession, and the right to operate the vehicle on roadways. A certificate of title is evidence of who owns the vehicle, and nothing more-get pulled over in many states and hand the cop a certificate of title when he asks for registration,...well, good luck with that.

Gungaslow

So if I was to put an AMG badge on the back of my c450 when the c43 AMG comes out and in fact it ends up being the same exact car with the same transmission and engine and everything,... Would I look like a wannabe? Would most people consider that a poser? So it would say C450..............AMG. On the back

Maritime

One must separate the legal and the practical effects of one's acts. First, you can put 'Jack Squat 43' on the back of your car if you like-you have this power and this right, just like you can REMOVE the badges or identifying marks. Secondly, if you want, you have the LEGAL right to amend or supplement the contents of the CERTIFICATE of TITLE so long as there is no fraud. You have this right and this power, but need not exercise it unless you wish. If you choose to amend or supplement the title to conform to whatever Mercedes may decide retrospectively (the hypo is that Mercedes simply says all 2016 c450 models shall henceforth be described as the c43), then it's not fraud and you will get an amended or supplemental title certificate.

The confusion of the practical and the legal, and asserting that one controls the other is simply misleading on the best of days.

Now, if Mercedes says you have a c450, and we won't do Jack Squat retrospectively, first, practically, you can modify the markings any way you like, but, legally, it would be fraud to seek a change in the title CERTIFICATE!

apparently, in Europe and Scandinavia, form triumphs over substance, but that is not so, here. By that logic, all the debadged cars are something other than what is reflected in the title certificates. Yeah, right....

Zand3rs

Guess time will tell what will happen. I do not care really, neither does my wife!

Maritime

Nor does my dog, my cat or my 2015 CLS 400.

LOGOSDJ

No, that's not how most legitimate dealers would operate. If the original window sticker and codes indicate that the vehicle is a 2016 C450 AMG Sport, they will be selling it as such. However, if customers request that the C450 badging be removed or changed on a car they're purchasing or have purchase, dealers would almost certainly oblige.

Maritime

My view is that Mercedes USA will authorize and direct it, assuming no material specifications change.

lbowroom

I see absolutely no way that MB is going to retroactively rebadge or rename any car that has made it to a dealership as a 2016 C450 AMG Sport, regardless of legality.

Maritime

Crap in one hand and wish in the other: see which fills faster.

It's all speculation.

LOGOSDJ

Agreed. Same goes for the 2016 GLE450 Coupes that will become GLE43s. MB almost certainly wouldn't advise dealerships to do that or mandate that dealers list these vehicles as anything other than what they actually are/were when produced and processed.

Like you, I just can't imagine that MB would ever retroactively alter or change the Netstar designations for these vehicles, generate new digital and physical window stickers for them, and then send them to dealerships along with new badges to rebadge existing vehicles. Pretty sure that's unheard of.

Something like that would be easier to believe (and more logical) if they somehow decided to make this change mid-cycle for the 2016s, with vehicles produced within the second half of the 2016 production cycle suddenly becoming C43s, but even that might be unheard of. Production on 2016 C450s will cease within the next few months, and by the time the 2017 C43s are released later this year, there will likely be very few leftovers out there anyway, as these are not high-volume production vehicles for MB.

Maritime

You guys love form over substance: none of those things are necessary for Mercedes to simply say it treats the c450 as a c43.

tivoboy

concur.. this will remain a 2016 C450 for all purposes.. reporting, residual value tracking, kbb. etc. if people somehow need to rebadge to feel good about it then that's their prerogative.

LOGOSDJ

No, we just love logic and reason, neither of which seems to be necessary for you to continue posting your annoying phrases/quotes and incessantly reminding everyone that "it's all speculation" whenever someone posts a valid prediction or statement about anything.

Maritime

Fine, in your case it is expectoration.

Germancar1

WOW, what a silly discussion about the change from C450 to C43. Fraud? MBUSA changing badges on previous C450 cars? This is like listening to a bunch of old ladies at the Piggly Wiggly. Goodness. Just plain dumb.


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Maritime

Oh, yes, what an apt analogy.

Xtrema

People are passionate about their model no longer exists and depreciated. That's why everyone who has last year's iphone get look down upon and why phone names keep changing yearly.

All I care about is that not all models of C class are lumped into an insurance group. That means C400 and C450 will have a limited amount of owners, risk stays small and insurance stay cheap.

I already know I'll save $300 a year by switching from S4 to C450. Because the insurance industry has no history on C450 yet while S4 has gained in popularity so much that insurance goes up by quite a bit for every year that I owned it.

Maritime

Do you shop at piggley wiggley?

TangoRed

Removed maybe, but no way the dealer will rebadge it for you.

Agree.

Gungaslow

Isn't the Geneva Auto show this week? When do you think they will give us information about what exactly the changes are from the c450 to the c43 sedan?

inhartwetrust

Already a decent amount of info out there already, but it's all related to the Coupe. Don't know if/when they will touch on the Sedan, as the big Geneva reveal has been marketed by MB to relate directly to the C43 Coupe reveal.

Zand3rs

Its supposedly going to be exactly the same but with an AMG badge on the rear but time will tell i guess.
The pictures of the cab do not even have the AMG logo inside on the panel.
Source: http://www.slashgear.com/2017-merced...neva-29429597/

That cab (in my eyes) Looks like they didnt take their time properly, i think it looks to flat. The part after windshield is basicly flat all the way back. Dunno maybe people like it that way but i dont.