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AMG-Sport is dead. C450 will now be AMG C43
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I'm potentially buying an on the lot C450 this week. It is fully loaded except for parktronic. Unfortunately, I will not be able to wait for the C43 if its getting a rebadge. What do you think this does to the acceleration of depreciation of existing models? Anybody with c400's have a sense? I wonder what happened with ML going away or when Infiniti renamed everything with a Q.
How much should I try to negotiate off just on this news for the car? Originally I was hoping for 6-8% based on what I've read on the boards. Could it be closer to 10%? This will be a purchase not a lease (although perhaps I should lease it now....)
How much should I try to negotiate off just on this news for the car? Originally I was hoping for 6-8% based on what I've read on the boards. Could it be closer to 10%? This will be a purchase not a lease (although perhaps I should lease it now....)
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I'm potentially buying an on the lot C450 this week. It is fully loaded except for parktronic. Unfortunately, I will not be able to wait for the C43 if its getting a rebadge. What do you think this does to the acceleration of depreciation of existing models? Anybody with c400's have a sense? I wonder what happened with ML going away or when Infiniti renamed everything with a Q.
How much should I try to negotiate off just on this news for the car? Originally I was hoping for 6-8% based on what I've read on the boards. Could it be closer to 10%? This will be a purchase not a lease (although perhaps I should lease it now....)
How much should I try to negotiate off just on this news for the car? Originally I was hoping for 6-8% based on what I've read on the boards. Could it be closer to 10%? This will be a purchase not a lease (although perhaps I should lease it now....)
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but so far the information only says a namechange is coming?
That's pretty much the same as 250 CDI became 250d, or?
There are a lot of hardware differences between the 400 and 450 on the other hand, so it's not really the same situation?
Or am I missing something?
That's pretty much the same as 250 CDI became 250d, or?
There are a lot of hardware differences between the 400 and 450 on the other hand, so it's not really the same situation?
Or am I missing something?
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I have yet to see how owning a German is cheaper than leasing once you calculate the depreciation.
I rather keep my $70K in the bank and invest with it than buying a $70K German car.
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I'm not sold. Here's my front page thoughts on the matter: https://mbworld.org/articles/benz-re...mercedes-amgs/
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Interesting.... So if I read this right, there will be one normal Mercedes (C300) and two AMG C classes (43 and 63) available here in the states. Three if you include the C63s (if there will be one in 17).
Sure its not that big of a deal, but it seems like they are catering a bit too much towards a niche market vs their bread and butter. Especially on what I believe is their largest volume selling class. Don't get me wrong, I want a 450 or 43 and I'm not really interested in a C300, but I would think they would offer more to choose from for the masses that want a C.
Sure its not that big of a deal, but it seems like they are catering a bit too much towards a niche market vs their bread and butter. Especially on what I believe is their largest volume selling class. Don't get me wrong, I want a 450 or 43 and I'm not really interested in a C300, but I would think they would offer more to choose from for the masses that want a C.
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If they do this they will be making a terrible, terrible mistake. They better make the M276 DELA30/DELA35 more competitive then, I would change my brand allegiance (lol) but at least Audi is guilty of the same thing.
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sold my "old" AMG E55 sedan to buy a 450 because in my eyes the new C class is perfect for me. I had some issues with the branding at first as well but when i floored it on a huge excluded area where we usually build our tracks on for meetups and stuff i got blown away. Yeah its no AMG but it is a really potent car and i got sold. Does not feel like a standard factory car in any way.
Do i think it deserves the AMG badge? Yes. Does it matter what i think? No.
AMG is a brand that will have its portfolio grow with new models and this is not the last time this will happen. The more cars their brand can sell the better. If it means skipping 1 or 2 of the steps that makes a AMG, sure. It is going to happen sometime anyway.
I never owned a last generation 400 but i have heard reviewers say that the 450 is a step up in performance and handling from the 400 and if they just tweak it a little more i would say that this is exactly what they have done.
Do i think it deserves the AMG badge? Yes. Does it matter what i think? No.
AMG is a brand that will have its portfolio grow with new models and this is not the last time this will happen. The more cars their brand can sell the better. If it means skipping 1 or 2 of the steps that makes a AMG, sure. It is going to happen sometime anyway.
If AMG can take the development of these models to new heights, and make them known as “best of both worlds” alternatives to their “raw performance” top-spec cars, then they might be onto something.
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I really doubt there is going to be a lot of changes from the c450.
I am expecting: -Minimal power increase or none, - 9 speed auto trans, -minimal price bump
I am not expecting: -Race start, - hand built engines
I am expecting: -Minimal power increase or none, - 9 speed auto trans, -minimal price bump
I am not expecting: -Race start, - hand built engines
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I don't understand the numbering. They are going to call the 362hp the C43, while the 350hp CLA is called the CLA45.
Shouldn't the CLA45 have a lower number than the C43 to denote the fact that the CLA45 has less power and a lesser engine?
Shouldn't the CLA45 have a lower number than the C43 to denote the fact that the CLA45 has less power and a lesser engine?
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Yup, it's never an good idea to trade in any cars. I'd say keep the car and enjoy it for 7-8 years to make it worth the value you've paid. There is always going to be better car coming out each year.
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I don't get this either, if they're doing this they need to revamp the entire numbering scheme just like they did the nomenclature when they made their cars all look the same.
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Sorta Agree with you Kuba.
But what is really seems to be happening is Mercedes Benz itself is dying as everything will may end up as an AMG. Case in point: I just looked up MBUSA.com and looked at the C class sedans: C300, C300 4matic, C450, C63, C63s.
The C300 variant is the only Mercedes Benz C-Class left... Everything else is or will be and is now an AMG.
I'm not hating on the C450/C43, it's probably a great car... It seems the people in marketing feel they can't compete without leveraging the AMG name. Their way of growing market share... No hate, just debate.
But what is really seems to be happening is Mercedes Benz itself is dying as everything will may end up as an AMG. Case in point: I just looked up MBUSA.com and looked at the C class sedans: C300, C300 4matic, C450, C63, C63s.
The C300 variant is the only Mercedes Benz C-Class left... Everything else is or will be and is now an AMG.
I'm not hating on the C450/C43, it's probably a great car... It seems the people in marketing feel they can't compete without leveraging the AMG name. Their way of growing market share... No hate, just debate.
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Interesting.... So if I read this right, there will be one normal Mercedes (C300) and two AMG C classes (43 and 63) available here in the states. Three if you include the C63s (if there will be one in 17).
Sure its not that big of a deal, but it seems like they are catering a bit too much towards a niche market vs their bread and butter. Especially on what I believe is their largest volume selling class. Don't get me wrong, I want a 450 or 43 and I'm not really interested in a C300, but I would think they would offer more to choose from for the masses that want a C.
Sure its not that big of a deal, but it seems like they are catering a bit too much towards a niche market vs their bread and butter. Especially on what I believe is their largest volume selling class. Don't get me wrong, I want a 450 or 43 and I'm not really interested in a C300, but I would think they would offer more to choose from for the masses that want a C.
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Sorta Agree with you Kuba.
But what is really seems to be happening is Mercedes Benz itself is dying as everything will may end up as an AMG. Case in point: I just looked up MBUSA.com and looked at the C class sedans: C300, C300 4matic, C450, C63, C63s.
The C300 variant is the only Mercedes Benz C-Class left... Everything else is or will be and is now an AMG.
I'm not hating on the C450/C43, it's probably a great car... It seems the people in marketing feel they can't compete without leveraging the AMG name. Their way of growing market share... No hate, just debate.
But what is really seems to be happening is Mercedes Benz itself is dying as everything will may end up as an AMG. Case in point: I just looked up MBUSA.com and looked at the C class sedans: C300, C300 4matic, C450, C63, C63s.
The C300 variant is the only Mercedes Benz C-Class left... Everything else is or will be and is now an AMG.
I'm not hating on the C450/C43, it's probably a great car... It seems the people in marketing feel they can't compete without leveraging the AMG name. Their way of growing market share... No hate, just debate.
AMG sport is fine, as it is really a sport trim and adding AMG makes it sound better to many. However, full blown AMG43 screams "I am a sports car tuned by demigods, regular drivers need not apply" even if it just the badge. My point here is not that of an AMG purist screaming it is not a real AMG, but more that MB is saying MB isn't good enough and people that don't want a sports car aren't what we are looking for. I think that it weakens the brand and they will sell fewer cars as a result. Think I don't need an AMG or an //M, I guess I'll just get a 340i.
