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Old May 25, 2016 | 10:09 AM
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Roof rack flaps discolored not black black

Hi, I am new here and i have a new c450... coming from an e90 m3.
I noticed that the flaps/covers for the roof rack appear to be discolored i.e. not uniform black in color. Will post pictures later but to me it looks faded. Anyone else have this issue?

Also noticed the rear spoiler not completely stuck down on edges and rear bumper right hand side where it meets light cluster not completely flush like the left hand side. I read about the rear bumper alignment but this is the right hand side.

Will take all of this to dealer to checkout but looking for feedback.

I have a pano roof and car is black.

Thanks
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Old May 25, 2016 | 12:59 PM
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I don't have discolored flaps but I had the same issues with the rear spoiler lifting on the edges and the right taillight stood a few mm's proud of the bumper. There just isn't much footprint on that spoiler to stick down. The light and bumper alignment is just sloppy assembly. The bumper can float a few mm at each seam when assembled. If they are careful they can get it perfect, if not, it lands where it lands. My windshield was also glued in crooked. 1mm gap on one side, 3-4mm on the other.

My dealer removed the spoiler, cleaned off tape, and re-applied with new tape. New tape is actually thinner and the spoiler has close to zero gap to the body now. Initial response on the light and bumper alignment was it's within assembly tolerance. I asked how the tolerance was specified, without an answer, they were able to greatly improve it. I didn't push the windshield alignment, too much to go wrong.
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Old May 25, 2016 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lbowroom
I don't have discolored flaps but I had the same issues with the rear spoiler lifting on the edges and the right taillight stood a few mm's proud of the bumper. There just isn't much footprint on that spoiler to stick down. The light and bumper alignment is just sloppy assembly. The bumper can float a few mm at each seam when assembled. If they are careful they can get it perfect, if not, it lands where it lands. My windshield was also glued in crooked. 1mm gap on one side, 3-4mm on the other.

My dealer removed the spoiler, cleaned off tape, and re-applied with new tape. New tape is actually thinner and the spoiler has close to zero gap to the body now. Initial response on the light and bumper alignment was it's within assembly tolerance. I asked how the tolerance was specified, without an answer, they were able to greatly improve it. I didn't push the windshield alignment, too much to go wrong.
The windshield mis-alignment is a bit of a surprise. In the C class assembly videos I've seen, the windshield is installed by a robot, so one would expect fairly tight tolerances.

If you haven't seen it, search it up on YouTube - "Mercedes Benz C Class Production". It's pretty neat to see. Robots are used for welding up the body, painting, windshield installation, and main dashboard installation.
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Old May 25, 2016 | 01:16 PM
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You should worry, reading the VW Golf R forum recently (that car is more expensive than the average C class) someone was complaining that their new car arrived with missing build features and one interior door panel red and the other three white!
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Old May 25, 2016 | 01:30 PM
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I've got a 2014 car and the black flaps that you're on about show signs of fading to white on a couple of corners.
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Old May 25, 2016 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lbowroom
I don't have discolored flaps but I had the same issues with the rear spoiler lifting on the edges and the right taillight stood a few mm's proud of the bumper. There just isn't much footprint on that spoiler to stick down. The light and bumper alignment is just sloppy assembly. The bumper can float a few mm at each seam when assembled. If they are careful they can get it perfect, if not, it lands where it lands. My windshield was also glued in crooked. 1mm gap on one side, 3-4mm on the other.

My dealer removed the spoiler, cleaned off tape, and re-applied with new tape. New tape is actually thinner and the spoiler has close to zero gap to the body now. Initial response on the light and bumper alignment was it's within assembly tolerance. I asked how the tolerance was specified, without an answer, they were able to greatly improve it. I didn't push the windshield alignment, too much to go wrong.
Thank you. I checked a few other cars at the dealership and they all look similar regarding the side of the bumper. Right hand side stick out a little. Car book in on the 9th to get checked out.
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Old May 25, 2016 | 03:07 PM
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I've got a 2014 car and the black flaps that you're on about show signs of fading to white on a couple of corners.
Thanks. I can understand fading over time but not on a new car. Perhaps the dealership buffed to hard during the detailing.

Will see if anyone else chimes in on 2016 cars with this issue. Again car booked in on the 9th to assess how bad it is.
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Old May 25, 2016 | 06:32 PM
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Hmmm,

https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...-problems.html

This could be as bad as the bleeding MBTEX problem
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[QUOTE=flagman;6813296]The windshield mis-alignment is a bit of a surprise. In the C class assembly videos I've seen, the windshield is installed by a robot, so one would expect fairly tight tolerances.

Indeed but sadly the robots are programmed and mainteained bu humans..


Also the robot can be fine, the vehicle position and window frame tolerance stack up can impact perceived screen alignment..


eg robot datums off one side of screen apeture but appeture is out of tolerance.. screen is in the "right place" body surrounding it.. appears not..


(i lost many hours of my life programming screen butyl application and fit robots amongst others.. so many external variable simpact the end result.. )


All the best...
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Old May 26, 2016 | 12:55 PM
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[QUOTE=Shadwell;6813657]
Originally Posted by flagman
The windshield mis-alignment is a bit of a surprise. In the C class assembly videos I've seen, the windshield is installed by a robot, so one would expect fairly tight tolerances.

Indeed but sadly the robots are programmed and mainteained bu humans..


Also the robot can be fine, the vehicle position and window frame tolerance stack up can impact perceived screen alignment..


eg robot datums off one side of screen aperture but aperture is out of tolerance.. screen is in the "right place" body surrounding it.. appears not..


(i lost many hours of my life programming screen butyl application and fit robots amongst others.. so many external variables impact the end result.. )


All the best...
Good points Shadwell. Then I guess it all comes down to QC and final inspection. These problems should have been caught and fixed.

Re: the roof rack anchor cover flaps, sounds like a warranty issue, they shouldn't be fading so soon. The flaps on my 4 yr old black C350 still match the adjacent painted areas exactly.
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Old May 26, 2016 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Shadwell

Good points Shadwell. Then I guess it all comes down to QC and final inspection. These problems should have been caught and fixed.

Re: the roof rack anchor cover flaps, sounds like a warranty issue, they shouldn't be fading so soon. The flaps on my 4 yr old black C350 still match the adjacent painted areas exactly.



This is the worst one. Car has less than 300 miles on it
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Old May 27, 2016 | 08:07 AM
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Are these rubber or painted?
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Old May 27, 2016 | 09:41 AM
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This is the worst one. Car has less than 300 miles on it
mine are like that too. I say whatever mines a lease
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Old May 27, 2016 | 11:16 AM
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Are these rubber or painted?
Injection molded plastic.
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Old May 28, 2016 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by flagman




This is the worst one. Car has less than 300 miles on it
Mine also look the same. MY 15 300 sport with pano. I thought about complaining but I'm tired of having my car torn apart
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Old May 29, 2016 | 10:31 AM
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Its made in USA. Its assemble by fat lazy people.
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Old May 29, 2016 | 01:52 PM
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Its made in USA. Its assemble by fat lazy people.
That's not offensive at all
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Old May 29, 2016 | 09:00 PM
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Its made in USA. Its assemble by fat lazy people.
So you think the fading and oxidation of the black finishes has something to do with lazy assembly work of fat people?
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Old May 29, 2016 | 11:09 PM
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So you think the fading and oxidation of the black finishes has something to do with lazy assembly work of fat people?


Read the entire thread
OP said "Also noticed the rear spoiler not completely stuck down on edges and rear bumper right hand side where it meets light cluster not completely flush like the left hand side. I read about the rear bumper alignment but this is the right hand side."

Yes, I think fat lazy people has something to do with fading. They didn't make the black finish properly.


Did you get offended?? LOL

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