cidtek

[QUOTE=Mikey53;7143084]
So what packages do you have that included the front sensor?

removedCFGaccount

Eat a milk crate....(whatever that is....).

MASSC450

That's no excuse for Mercedes when it comes to the C Class. My wife's old 2014 328i sedan had more rear seat room, the seats were heated, and the rear seat area had temperature control.

Were the rear seats/area in your past A4 not superior than what's offered currently in the W205?

Thlian

[QUOTE=cidtek;7143122]Standard front and back here, depends very much on country. But I find it very hard to believe that you have backing camera but no sensors?!

cidtek

[QUOTE=Thlian;7143290]It seems that it only comes with parking assist or 360 camera. Adding just the rear camera in Canada does not give you a front parking warning. My profile shows the packages I have on my car.

sean1.8t

Just as I posted earlier, in that regard, yes; the A4 was superior. As far as room, I'm pretty sure they are the same. Perhaps even the C has a bit more as cars have been getting gradually larger each generation.

I don't see how "that's no excuse". The C class is the C class. There is a reason that the features offered and available are different across the C, E, & S classes; same principles behind the sizes of each

sean1.8t

You know, I tried to talk myself into it, but I just couldn't do it. I'm a sedan guy. Not sure why; maybe I feel it's just more grown up? Even in the times when I've considered getting a truck, I always looked at a crew cab (4 door).

Now if it was a full fledged sports/muscle car, I would totally be into a coupe

RichardCranium3

328 - 35.1" vs C-class 35.8"

I'll give you the heated rears though...that was great in my Audi. Always messed with people in the Summer!

gfmohn

So I would have to buy an aftermarket CD player and find some place to stick it, so I can play the over 400 classical CDs I have? Deal breaker! I will never own an E-class. (That's been pretty much my conclusion, anyway, since I began subscribing to the E-class forum to find out about the new E-class. It's pretty bad! Same level of first-year build quality problems as I went through with my 2015 C300. Those will be fixed for the 2018 MY, but they will return when the model is refreshed and again when it redesigned. I expect that this will be true for all MB models until MB sales start to decline. I am also tired of trying explain away to my friends the embarrassing Consumer Reports reliability ratings (year after year after year). (Don't talk to me about the high-end MBs. CR rates their reliability worse. The user difficulties of the new COMAND system will continue until MB gets a new design. It looks like I will start subscribing to a BMW 3-series forum and maybe a 5-series forum. I consider myself a Mercedes customer, not a Mercedes fan.)

sean1.8t

Wait......Are you being sarcastic or are you serious? You still use CDs?

ManiacGT

I'd be more concerned about safety as you root around the 400 CDs sliding around your back seat.

Thlian

Loss less

sean1.8t

Probably got one of these sweet setups

MASSC450

Not to split hairs, but I said rear seat room...as in overall.

W205 / 328i

Shoulder room - 55.0" / 55.1"

Head room - 36.9" / 37.7"

Leg room - 33.4" / 35.1"

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...s-sedan-362655

My wife's 2014 328 sedan had more room, especially headroom, than my C450 has.

GerritKw

Nope, i don't have that one. But i have a C350e and i guess that button is claimed by the preconditioning.
Where is the sync button located?

gfmohn

The subject here is cars, not car stereo. The latter is a separate hobby. At one time, I was very much into that. The audio system in my previous Mazda was worth more than the car.

Indeed, I do have one of those CD holders, but I never use it. I have made only one long trip in my C300. Otherwise, one CD brought from home suffices. Unlike pop music, classical music listening seldom involves a play list of songs scattered over a dozen albums. So a single CD with a 40 minute symphony, for example, will do. Also, unlike pop music, classical music does not get old. It already is old. The conductors and artists on my CDs are the ones I want to hear. Most of them were recorded in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Some of the works were recorded before the stereo era. What is "HD" or "lossless" to recordings like these? (Please don't try to re-educate me. I have my subscription to The Absolute Sound for that. As I said, this is a car forum.)

Mercedes is notorious for being a car for the elderly. Mercedes will regret the loss of elderly customers like me. The fanboys and boy racers will not make up for this loss.

RichardCranium3

Meh...I'll split the hairs. Neither USN or MB lists a shoulder dimension that I can find. However, both show 37.1 for height, while the MB website shows 35.2" rear legroom for C450/43. Having spent the drive to and from Denver (14 hours RT) in the back of a 328, I can't say the difference between the two is as significant as you make it seem. 6'2" 205lbs here. My 70y/o parents struggle getting out my backseat. Definitely wouldn't be my first choice if playing chauffeur to them was going to be a regular thing.

This slayed me!

ManiacGT

this is enormously disappointing to read, it sounds very bitter and in the end these are just cars, objects and not worth the negative investment of time energy and emotion.

sean1.8t

Have you heard of an iPod or Spotify? Do you have a smartphone?

You can put all of those CD's on your phone or you can download it all into a little plastic "disk" the size of your thumbnail, then plug it into the car. There hasn't been a need for physical CDs in over a decade, old man. Get with the times

Thlian

Apparently it compromises quality.....

Mike5215

No lecture here but you can make perfect bit-for-bit copies of your CDs to play on the road from an IPod or smartphone using free software. Both FLAC and ALAC digital audio formats can handle 44,100 sample rates and 16 bit-depth, the maximum quality of an uncompressed CD track. ALAC can be stored and played from an IPhone or IPod. FLAC can be played back by most Androids.

sean1.8t

There is no way that the loss of quality is detectable to the naked ear.

Maybe if you have crap equipment, but not if it's average or better.

Mike5215

Actually, the better the equipment the more obvious the compression becomes. CD tracks on the Burmester (which isn't a great system by any stretch) will sound fuller and brighter than the compressed versions, even at the higher bit rates (320kbs MP3, 256k AAC).

For classical music, where there's a lot of subtle detail that's not present on your average Bon Jovi CD, you'd want the lossless format.

I have a hi res reference system at the house and a decent collection of hi res files. They're huge, about 25GB per track at 192/24, with an average bit rate roughly 10x that of CD, and encoded as bit for bit copies of the studio master. (CD is a lossy format relative to the studio master).

I have a lot of duplicate stuff in various formats. I'll play someone the MP3 version of a track on the system and they'll think it sounds really good. Then I'll play them the hi res version and they're blown away. The room suddenly gets bigger and you can hear everything... breath sounds on the vocals, finger sounds on the strings... you never knew was there.

Then I'll go back to the MP3 and suddenly they'll hear it for what it is... a little lifeless, with over processed highs and a thickened, dampened low end.

That said, my local library for the 205 is all 256kb AAC and for the car it sounds fine. I believe Spotify premium is now at 320kb MP3, and Tidal premium is full CD quality (roughly 1400 kbs). I tuned the car's system to 256kb AAC so I can switch seamlessly between my local files and Apple's streaming subscription service.

sean1.8t

Maybe my ears suck then? Or maybe I just try to focus on the good and not the bad? I dunno. It all sounds the same to me.

Mike5215

It really depends on the playback hardware. A hi res file in the car sounds really raw and nasty. It exacerbates the shortcomings in the system. If you do the whole shebang for a home set up...a high end DAC, a high end amp and really good speakers...then the hi res stuff is likely all you'd ever listen to.

Oddly, I added a vintage Denon 1980's era turntable recently and did a mid grade moving coil cartridge and a mid grade phono stage ($1k for the pair) and that's become my new favorite source. Something about how a stylus bumping around in a groove makes recordings sound more ballsy and natural. Go figure.