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And all these failing V4 engines are coming from Germany, including GLB engines We'll see how newer 2023 GLC engine will last.... GLK350 with V6 was the most reliable car that I had, even in comparison to Japanese brands...MB will switch fully to electric cars by 2030...
Originally Posted by E55Greasemonkey
The GLB is a piece of crap built in Mexico next to the Nissan plant, and it's front wheel drive . I'd seriously consider the GLC...built in Germany.... as it's a much better and more solid car.
And all these failing V4 engines are coming from Germany, including GLB engines We'll see how newer 2023 GLC engine will last.... GLK350 with V6 was the most reliable car that I had, even in comparison to Japanese brands...MB will switch fully to electric cars by 2030...
<I>Sorry to hear man. It's really disappointing because the W205 with the 2.0 is a great car and the engine has good power for what it is. It's really a shame there are engineering/material issues plaguing the M274 with no relief from MB.</I><P>
To be fair, it was a couple of other issues that also were factors, but not like the engine issues previously discussed;
2) Noisy ride - largely due to MOE tires, but was surprised at how much louder than my '13 C300. I know the A220s also use MOE and don't make use of as much sound isolation material - on a relatively smooth asphalt road the A220 is actually 1-2 dB better. On a rough road, the C300 is 4-6 dB better.
4) The '17 C300 was just such a different car than my '13. The '13 had that satisfying "clunk" when you closed any of the doors. That was not happening with the '17 C300.
Picked up a 2022 A220 with about 6900 miles on it. Can't wait to get the MOE tires off it! (haha)
I totally agree about the MOE's... the greatest power of run-flats are their ability to ruin just about every car they're put on.
My new car has Goodyear F1 MOE's and they are horribly loud (like mud tires) and uncomfortable. I also miss the grip of Michelin PS's and can't wait to get rid of these run-flats and swap back to normal Michelins.
I totally agree about the MOE's... the greatest power of run-flats are their ability to ruin just about every car they're put on.
My new car has Goodyear F1 MOE's and they are horribly loud (like mud tires) and uncomfortable. I also miss the grip of Michelin PS's and can't wait to get rid of these run-flats and swap back to normal Michelins.
Congratulations on the new car dude! Enjoy.
Couldn't agree more, if that was MB's intention, it served them well
1986 Light Ivory R107 560SL & 2024 W206 Starling Blue C300 4MATIC AMG-Line, Exclusive Trim
Originally Posted by Fury
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4) The '17 C300 was just such a different car than my '13. The '13 had that satisfying "clunk" when you closed any of the doors. That was not happening with the '17 C300.
The door clunk was one of my favorite things about my W204. When I went from my 2010 C300 to my 2015, the first thing I noticed was the ”clunk” that was gone. It was like a bank vault, similar to MBs of old. It wasn’t tin canny like a Camry but definitely wasn’t what it used to be. Luckily for the refresh they reinforced the front doors just for the noise. I’m happy to say that the front doors on my 2020 C300 sound much better than my 2015 did (and feel a little heavier), although not quite to the level of the W204. For the W206 they went back to steel like the w204 as opposed to aluminum in the W205. It added weight and you can certainly feel it when opening the door (which I kinda like). The feel like the old w204 did and are as close to the old “clunk” as I think we will ever get.
The door clunk was one of my favorite things about my W204. When I went from my 2010 C300 to my 2015, the first thing I noticed was the ”clunk” that was gone. It was like a bank vault, similar to MBs of old. It wasn’t tin canny like a Camry but definitely wasn’t what it used to be. Luckily for the refresh they reinforced the front doors just for the noise. I’m happy to say that the front doors on my 2020 C300 sound much better than my 2015 did (and feel a little heavier), although not quite to the level of the W204. For the W206 they went back to steel like the w204 as opposed to aluminum in the W205. It added weight and you can certainly feel it when opening the door (which I kinda like). The feel like the old w204 did and are as close to the old “clunk” as I think we will ever get.
I guess you gain some you lose some, steel is heavier than aluminum after all but then it is more solid feeling in that case.
I have a 2016 W205 4Matic Sedan with the ubiquitous M274 2.0l and it’s been nearly Toyota reliable for me. I’m currently at 141,000 miles and I’m just now doing my first somewhat major repair. My car is in the shop for a failing oil pump and its second failed PCV valve (these valves crack over time). Only other repairs I’ve had to do were a A/C sensor & PCV valve at roughly 70k miles. I’m averaging about 530 miles per fill up, I plan to keep it until the wheels fall off.
1986 Light Ivory R107 560SL & 2024 W206 Starling Blue C300 4MATIC AMG-Line, Exclusive Trim
Originally Posted by qmciver
I have a 2016 W205 4Matic Sedan with the ubiquitous M274 2.0l and it’s been nearly Toyota reliable for me. I’m currently at 141,000 miles and I’m just now doing my first somewhat major repair. My car is in the shop for a failing oil pump and its second failed PCV valve (these valves crack over time). Only other repairs I’ve had to do were a A/C sensor & PCV valve at roughly 70k miles. I’m averaging about 530 miles per fill up, I plan to keep it until the wheels fall off.
That’s great to hear, sounds like you found a gem. If I were you, I too would be holding onto it until it couldn’t drive anymore. Here’s to many more miles!
I have a 2016 W205 4Matic Sedan with the ubiquitous M274 2.0l and it’s been nearly Toyota reliable for me. I’m currently at 141,000 miles and I’m just now doing my first somewhat major repair. My car is in the shop for a failing oil pump and its second failed PCV valve (these valves crack over time). Only other repairs I’ve had to do were a A/C sensor & PCV valve at roughly 70k miles. I’m averaging about 530 miles per fill up, I plan to keep it until the wheels fall off.
Between the wrist pin issue and #1 piston cracking issues with the M274 engine (2.0 4 cyl gas), my level of confidence in the longevity of this engine is low.
So I'm wondering how many of you are considering selling or trading in your W205/M274 (or already have) based on these engine issues?
Myself, I'm close to that point. I love my C300 and have poured a lot of blood, sweat and tears (and a large pile of money) into my car, but I find myself constantly concerned that today is the day my #1 decides it doesn't want to play anymore.
I'm currently at 51K miles and it has been a great car so far. However, I'm becoming weary of worrying about how much time me and the engine remain friends.
I'm planning a ~3000 mile road trip in the coming months and I'm considering renting a car for it and that's just not right. I should be able to trust my car, but I really don't… unfortunately.
So how many of y'all find yourself in my position?
did you end up selling it cause I’m about ready too I just can’t enjoy it anymore after hearing all these things mine is 2017 with almost 80k on it
Yes I did, the rest of the thread holds the story. I hated to part with my W205 and I miss it but no regrets at all. I believe I dodged a bullet.
It felt good to no longer worry that my engine could eat itself at any moment. Too bad because it's otherwise a great car.
Best of luck to you!
but then you got an E 43, enjoying a different beast altogether, E is a step above a C at the end of the day, the luxury, ride/comfort etc. shows in every way. Back then, C was known as a "fake" benz and to get a "real" benz, got to at least get an E.
I compared a C 43 to my family member's E 53, night and day. Feels so famiiliar yet so different.
but then you got an E 43, enjoying a different beast altogether, E is a step above a C at the end of the day, the luxury, ride/comfort etc. shows in every way. Back then, C was known as a "fake" benz and to get a "real" benz, got to at least get an E.
I compared a C 43 to my family member's E 53, night and day. Feels so famiiliar yet so different.
I had to step up to compensate for the mental anguish the M274 caused me, lol.
You are so right, everything seems so familiar coming from a W205, but the E has a much different driving experience, more "solid" may be the best way to describe it.
Dude, I'm happy very happy with the way things turned out for me and I'm glad I bailed when I did.
I had to step up to compensate for the mental anguish the M274 caused me, lol.
You are so right, everything seems so familiar coming from a W205, but the E has a much different driving experience, more "solid" may be the best way to describe it.
Dude, I'm happy very happy with the way things turned out for me and I'm glad I bailed when I did.
But I still miss my W205.
Fair enough : ), enjoy in good health.
For me in my case I personally prefer a smaller car (I am in the minority but I wish there was a car that was as small as a C-Class or around the size of an A and C but have the creature comforts of an E), I understand the majority prefers to have a bigger car if it has the creature comforts of an E, which is what the E is about.
I admit I am terrible with parking, so the smaller size of a C versus E helps a lot. That said, the introduction of rear wheel steering on newer MB such as the W214 solves that problem, it is then having to get used to the dramatic decrease in turning radius just like first learning how to use MBUX on newer MB, it is not hard to learn just takes time I guess. However, that also adds complexity that could otherwise break down.
The 48V mild-hybrid system on the E 53 (other than physical size) was the reason I shyed away from it. I heard about satisifed owners and also horror from owners, I get it, it is the forums, most who have problems voice out and few that have no problems comment. I am considering the CLE 53 however : ) hopefully whatever issues with the 48V system is worked out by then.
Please enjoy your car with the solid M276 without the complexity of the 48V.
For me in my case I personally prefer a smaller car (I am in the minority but I wish there was a car that was as small as a C-Class or around the size of an A and C but have the creature comforts of an E), I understand the majority prefers to have a bigger car if it has the creature comforts of an E, which is what the E is about.
I admit I am terrible with parking, so the smaller size of a C versus E helps a lot. That said, the introduction of rear wheel steering on newer MB such as the W214 solves that problem, it is then having to get used to the dramatic decrease in turning radius just like first learning how to use MBUX on newer MB, it is not hard to learn just takes time I guess. However, that also adds complexity that could otherwise break down.
The 48V mild-hybrid system on the E 53 (other than physical size) was the reason I shyed away from it. I heard about satisifed owners and also horror from owners, I get it, it is the forums, most who have problems voice out and few that have no problems comment. I am considering the CLE 53 however : ) hopefully whatever issues with the 48V system is worked out by then.
Please enjoy your car with the solid M276 without the complexity of the 48V.
Thanks brother! The M276 is silk and I'm loving it.
I hear you about the parking. I don't have any issues, but if you did, the 360 camera with overhead view would definitely help. I must say, it does take considerably more room in my garage, but I enjoy the larger size. I grew up in the era of land yachts, so in comparison a W213 is almost small, lol. Overall though, It's really not that much bigger than a W205.
I totally agree that in car forums, some issues will appear worse than the reality because we are reading more about the number of failures without the greater number of successes to add to the perspective.
I have no worries about the 48v system at all, in fact, I wanted a 2020 E53 but I personally couldn't justify the difference in cost compared to a E43.
Thanks brother! The M276 is silk and I'm loving it.
I hear you about the parking. I don't have any issues, but if you did, the 360 camera with overhead view would definitely help. I must say, it does take considerably more room in my garage, but I enjoy the larger size. I grew up in the era of land yachts, so in comparison a W213 is almost small, lol. Overall though, It's really not that much bigger than a W205.
I totally agree that in car forums, some issues will appear worse than the reality because we are reading more about the number of failures without the greater number of successes to add to the perspective.
I have no worries about the 48v system at all, in fact, I wanted a 2020 E53 but I personally couldn't justify the difference in cost compared to a E43.
Yup, the E 53 I tested has all the cameras you can ask for and I still find it too big unfortunately. You know, size matters
Oh yes! That certainly helps! I should try that, might take a few years for me to start seeing big things small though : )
Well, I mean I agree that it is not THAT much bigger but the increase in size did made a difference that made it pretty much a deal breaker (at least to me).
Ah I see, curious and eager to see pricing of the CLE 53 when it arrives to our North American shores, I am thinking it will be way more expensive than the E 53 even, we will see.
It is pretty much the trend that cars are growing in length every generation. ie. E became the last S and C became the last E (at least length wise). It is the matter of getting used to but rear wheel steering helps for sure. ie. the S-Class (W223 specifically) with A-Class (W176) turning radius.
Thanks dude! I've owned a lot of cars in my life so far and this is the first one I've ever had that doesn't have a single blank button inside. I'm digging all the gizmos.
Congrats, great choice not sure how much sound matters to you bud, but the E 43 never got PE I think? so the sound might not be thaaat nice but it is still nice enough I think https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...e-exhaust.html
Originally Posted by Keith66
Thanks brother! Yes, the E43 did not have the PE option, at least I've not seen an example of one. But I would think since it's an AMG branded model it would have an exhaust system tuned to the engine and I would think it may be a bit more "throaty" than a E400. Not sure.
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After having the E43, I can now answer this open ended exhaust question:
The E43 does not have the Performance Exhaust option with the exhaust button on the RH console like the C63/C43. But it does have a E43 specific exhaust system. It has electronically controlled exhaust valves just like the PE exhaust option on other models but instead of being operated by the console button, the valves are opened when selecting Sport+.
Selecting Sport+, the exhaust gets considerably louder inside and out.
After having the E43, I can now answer this open ended exhaust question:
The E43 does not have the Performance Exhaust option with the exhaust button on the RH console like the C63/C43. But it does have a E43 specific exhaust system. It has electronically controlled exhaust valves just like the PE exhaust option on other models but instead of being operated by the console button, the valves are opened when selecting Sport+.
Selecting Sport+, the exhaust gets considerably louder inside and out.
I just got rid of a 2017 C300 due to the piston issue. I have a good friend who is a Mercedes tech and he said its a ticking time bomb. I only had 44,000 miles. I was a nervous wreck every time i drove it, took all the fun out of it.
I just got rid of a 2017 C300 due to the piston issue. I have a good friend who is a Mercedes tech and he said its a ticking time bomb. I only had 44,000 miles. I was a nervous wreck every time i drove it, took all the fun out of it.
Sorry to hear but I completely understand, as I was in the exact same scenario and got tired of worrying about it. I got out before the potential bomb went off, luckily.
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We'll see how newer 2023 GLC engine will last.... GLK350 with V6 was the most reliable car that I had, even in comparison to Japanese brands...MB will switch fully to electric cars by 2030...
