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Old Aug 31, 2013 | 07:17 PM
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Tyre help needed for HRE P44SC

I've just received my wheels but need help deciding what Tyres to use. My car will be lowered using springs/links. Wheels are 19x9 +25, 19x11 +35. Tyre sizes I'm thinking of are 255/35 and 305/30.

1. Conti Sportcontact 5P
2. Michelin Pilot Supersport
3. Hankooks

I've searched and I know most guys are using Hankooks because of rounder design. Anyone have experience with the other 2? Should I go narrower 295 on the PSS for example because of squarer design or at safe with Hankooks. Feedback much appreciated.
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Old Aug 31, 2013 | 07:32 PM
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i drive them all, fast and hard
what brand lowering method are u going, and how low do u plan to go
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Old Aug 31, 2013 | 07:59 PM
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I'm using the Renntech springs and links. I was planning to go about 1 finger fender gap.
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Old Sep 1, 2013 | 07:24 AM
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Old Sep 1, 2013 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperion667
2. Michelin Pilot Supersport
Thanks. I noticed from your previous post that you're running the same Tyres that I was thinking about. Do you think there'll be problems with rubbing if I lower it to 1 finger fender gap? Or should I go 295/30 to be safe?
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Old Sep 1, 2013 | 08:02 AM
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I honestly cannot speak to lowering, but the tires are magnificent, grippy as hell!!

mine are 305's rear
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Old Sep 1, 2013 | 04:16 PM
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vic55 and pertplus, and faris probably will have your answers

best thing is that you car is adjustable so u can modify it as needed.

im excited too see what aftermarket 19s will look like lowered, we usually dont see that because everyone goes 20's lowered

take lots of pics

Mich PSS btw, never had them but i may soon,
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I think I did 265-30 and 295-25 with the Michelin PSS and had no issues and then did 255-30 and 305-25 with the Hankooks and similarly had no problems. Car was lowered with the KW Sleeve kit.
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Originally Posted by vdubpower
vic55 and pertplus, and faris probably will have your answers

best thing is that you car is adjustable so u can modify it as needed.

im excited too see what aftermarket 19s will look like lowered, we usually dont see that because everyone goes 20's lowered

take lots of pics

Mich PSS btw, never had them but i may soon,

I would have preferred to go 20's but it's illegal to run tyres with a lower load rating than the stockers here in OZ. I'll be sure to post up pics when it's done.
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Old Sep 1, 2013 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pertplus
I think I did 265-30 and 295-25 with the Michelin PSS and had no issues and then did 255-30 and 305-25 with the Hankooks and similarly had no problems. Car was lowered with the KW Sleeve kit.
Thanks. Do you think it had enough room for a 305 in the Michelins?
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Thanks. Do you think it had enough room for a 305 in the Michelins?
The problem was Michelin didn't (and not sure if it does now) make a 305-25-20. So I had to go with the next best brand of tire for that measurement.
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Old Sep 1, 2013 | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperion667
I honestly cannot speak to lowering, but the tires are magnificent, grippy as hell!!

mine are 305's rear

Yeah that's why i'm leaning towards them but obviously don't want rubbing issues. What are the offsets on your wheels?

I was looking at one of your photos of your car with the blue HRE's from another post and the rears look like they would rub if you lowered it. Maybe just the angle of the photo.
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might rub the blue off
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Old Sep 2, 2013 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by dre
Yeah that's why i'm leaning towards them but obviously don't want rubbing issues. What are the offsets on your wheels?

I was looking at one of your photos of your car with the blue HRE's from another post and the rears look like they would rub if you lowered it. Maybe just the angle of the photo.
I wanna say 25/35, but that was for my last set.....not sure if blue's are the same, probably the same.....

btw: those wheels look great!!!

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Ok so I ran 20x9 and 20x11 with the same offsets so the "pushout" is the same and the diameter is very very very close since I ran a 30 series front and a 25 series rear.

I dropped my car and would rub for sure with PSS with my set up. I ran about 1/2 inch fender over tire. I went with the rounder sidewall to avoid issues (Hankook). The PSS is very very square so its almost like having an extra 3-5mm in offset pushing out. Id go with the Hankook to avoid rubbing but no doubt the PSS is the better tire. But the Hankook is very good for the price and I pushed the car extremely hard in straights and turns with no ill effects.
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Old Sep 3, 2013 | 07:28 PM
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Ok so I ran 20x9 and 20x11 with the same offsets so the "pushout" is the same and the diameter is very very very close since I ran a 30 series front and a 25 series rear.

I dropped my car and would rub for sure with PSS with my set up. I ran about 1/2 inch fender over tire. I went with the rounder sidewall to avoid issues (Hankook). The PSS is very very square so its almost like having an extra 3-5mm in offset pushing out. Id go with the Hankook to avoid rubbing but no doubt the PSS is the better tire. But the Hankook is very good for the price and I pushed the car extremely hard in straights and turns with no ill effects.
Thanks Vic. Do you think going narrower in the PSS would solve the issue? Say a 295/30 rear and 245 front?
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Old Sep 3, 2013 | 07:31 PM
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Thanks Vic. Do you think going narrower in the PSS would solve the issue? Say a 295/30 rear and 245 front?
Yes, you are pulling in the tire some so yes.... you might even be able to run the 255's up front. My personal concern was with the rears.

And with a 295 tire (even a pss) will be slightly rounded due to minimal stretching on the 11 inch wheel. I do this on my M6 because at the time I got 20x11's PSS didnt have a 305x30 tire.
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Yes, you are pulling in the tire some so yes.... you might even be able to run the 255's up front. My personal concern was with the rears.

And with a 295 tire (even a pss) will be slightly rounded due to minimal stretching on the 11 inch wheel. I do this on my M6 because at the time I got 20x11's PSS didnt have a 305x30 tire.
Great. I might see if I can get the tyre shop to put on both 295 and 305 to compare. The other option is to not lower it as much I suppose.
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Great. I might see if I can get the tyre shop to put on both 295 and 305 to compare. The other option is to not lower it as much I suppose.
Here is one more thought which may be appropriate or not:

The AMG is a 2 ton plus GT cruiser. The PSS is a great tire but the Hankook will cover the needs of about 99% of the way drivers push the AMG. Its not a sports car. Its a luxury car with sports car characteristics at best IMHO. Its a straight line warrior with a plush suspension with air in the back that baffles me to this day. I drove my cars probably 150 mph daily (when I drove it/them) and had the Hankooks on two cars (E63 Wagon CLS63) and push my cars very very hard. Its always better to get the better tire- always. But the Kooks are not that bad in their own regard.
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Here is one more thought which may be appropriate or not:

The AMG is a 2 ton plus GT cruiser. The PSS is a great tire but the Hankook will cover the needs of about 99% of the way drivers push the AMG. Its not a sports car. Its a luxury car with sports car characteristics at best IMHO. Its a straight line warrior with a plush suspension with air in the back that baffles me to this day. I drove my cars probably 150 mph daily (when I drove it/them) and had the Hankooks on two cars (E63 Wagon CLS63) and push my cars very very hard. Its always better to get the better tire- always. But the Kooks are not that bad in their own regard.
Good point. The other factor I was considering was the safety aspect. If the better tyre for example takes x metres less to stop from a certain speed, that may mean the difference between a mild/serious accident. I haven't seen any data but food for thought. But I've heard the Hankooks make good semi slicks so should translate to their street tyres, so the performance/safety difference is probably irrelevant.

So if you had to choose: 305/30 Hankook vs 295/30 PSS?
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Good point. The other factor I was considering was the safety aspect. If the better tyre for example takes x metres less to stop from a certain speed, that may mean the difference between a mild/serious accident. I haven't seen any data but food for thought. But I've heard the Hankooks make good semi slicks so should translate to their street tyres, so the performance/safety difference is probably irrelevant.

So if you had to choose: 305/30 Hankook vs 295/30 PSS?
Thats a toss up, better tire vs a little more width. The width is not that much more with the rounder sidewall and....... on my M6 I have an 11 inch rear but at the time the only PSS was a 295x30x20 (no 305) so I kept that and I know Id rather have the PSS than a 305 Hankook on the M6. So Id go 295 PSS.
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Dre -- Your new P44SC's are 19's right? Please be sure to post some pics when you get them installed. The P44SC is one of a handful of wheels on my 'short-list', so I', particularly interested in seeing how they look.
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yes post lots of pics,......if possible, pre and post lowering


what made you choose the renntech spring system vs kw? thanks
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yes post lots of pics,......if possible, pre and post lowering


what made you choose the renntech spring system vs kw? thanks
does it really matter, we spout out, ad naseum, thoughts for you and you just keep asking?
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