Cls 63 Vs Gallardo Se
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Seriously dude, how do you explain a Renntech 65 with over 700hp and twice the tourque of the G not be able to pull it? Makes zero sense. We conceed that all the Lemon buyback benzes now seem to reside in Arizona but lets get real here. Why are you so quick to run an post this anyway? Lets talk about what an SLK55 would do to your Diablo!
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Seriously dude, how do you explain a Renntech 65 with over 700hp and twice the tourque of the G not be able to pull it? Makes zero sense. We conceed that all the Lemon buyback benzes now seem to reside in Arizona but lets get real here. Why are you so quick to run an post this anyway? Lets talk about what an SLK55 would do to your Diablo!
I posted the words of the owner of the MB in his opinion. He just put 100 octane in his beast and ran it up against the Gallardo. Was it the heat that affected the car? Who knows. Dave seemed pretty happy with the car after the mods. Those guys were too far ahead of me for me to witness the roll between the two.
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These guys would have us believe that while the correlation in time and trap that these publications get in other cars and what their owners get is quite high, with this car, and only this car, that correlation just goes right out the window, that for some inexplicable reason, when test drivers drive the Gallardo, their skill set disappears, their reaction times turn to mush, their ability to wring good times out of a car vaporizes--only to miraculously return when they test all of those other cars.
Horse hooey. Allanlambo has been proven time and time again to be far, far more interested in establishing whatever he drives to be The Fastest Car on the Planet than in any truthful, fact-based discussion, demonstrating in the process a total disregard for the truth, and for any facts which contradict his belief. Either that Lambo is running spray, the CLS wasn't properly driven (or raced at all), or the CLS is very, very sick.
Numbers don't lie, but people damn sure do.
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you know what, I will be the first to admit that my knowledge of every MB out there is small, but after doing some checking, if we are talking about the same car (SLK 55 AMG with a 5.5L and makes 355 hp, and weighs 3500lbs) I would own that car with 16 year old technology.
Solely going off stats, my car makes 415hp to the wheels and weighs the same. My 0-60 times are around 4 where the SLK does it in around 5. Am I far off base in my thinking?
Solely going off stats, my car makes 415hp to the wheels and weighs the same. My 0-60 times are around 4 where the SLK does it in around 5. Am I far off base in my thinking?
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I wish I was in AZ so I could show you what a fast Mercedes looks like, too bad you guys have some slow examples, not that I expected the CLS contest to be in the favor of the Merc but man he sure has a slow one. And CL65 losing steam uptop seems odd as my experience has been far the opposite. I am a member of Lambopower, ask Hovik and Stryke about my car, I can assure you their experience has been quite different, as well as a few of their friends 
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I wish I was in AZ so I could show you what a fast Mercedes looks like, too bad you guys have some slow examples, not that I expected the CLS contest to be in the favor of the Merc but man he sure has a slow one. And CL65 losing steam uptop seems odd as my experience has been far the opposite. I am a member of Lambopower, ask Hovik and Stryke about my car, I can assure you their experience has been quite different, as well as a few of their friends
According to Allan a stock G 06-07 beats (walks) a Renntech 600 and stock 65 .
nothing but personal attack an Mercedes bashing over there. I will film my car vs a stock G here in So Cal the cars are much closer than what was presented to us by Lambopower.com
Now if it is TRUE that a G walks 600's and 65's then I concede, a 63 would be destroyed. Sadly I thought we could be civil bout these comparisons but Mr. Lambo seems to be an egotistical maniac who has many clones that lack the ability to "freethink"
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Is there a car in that picture?
Seriously, what's all the fuss about? I didn't/couldn't read every post in this thread, but what is so shocking about a modified Gallardo pulling on a stock 63 that weighs at least 1,000 lbs more?
We've seen videos from MB owners on this board who have been walked in their K4 cars by slightly modded Z06's. Why would a bone stock car do better?
Even if the CLS driver wasn't "on it", does anyone really think that the 63would not have been walked? Maybe the gap would not have been so significant, but it would still have been pretty big. The modified G probably traps at 125 in the 1/4. The 63 probably 111-113?
I know that it stings some people to see "their" car get walked, but people need to step back and think objectively about what is happening. Some things are quite easily, and properly, labeled "BS". Some things make more sense.
FWIW and IMHO - there is a point in time when you can say nothing more in a discussion before it just disintegrates into personalized garbage. If someone does not want to agree with what you have to say, then there is no point in continuing the discussion. Make the point and move on.
Seriously, what's all the fuss about? I didn't/couldn't read every post in this thread, but what is so shocking about a modified Gallardo pulling on a stock 63 that weighs at least 1,000 lbs more?
We've seen videos from MB owners on this board who have been walked in their K4 cars by slightly modded Z06's. Why would a bone stock car do better?
Even if the CLS driver wasn't "on it", does anyone really think that the 63would not have been walked? Maybe the gap would not have been so significant, but it would still have been pretty big. The modified G probably traps at 125 in the 1/4. The 63 probably 111-113?
I know that it stings some people to see "their" car get walked, but people need to step back and think objectively about what is happening. Some things are quite easily, and properly, labeled "BS". Some things make more sense.
FWIW and IMHO - there is a point in time when you can say nothing more in a discussion before it just disintegrates into personalized garbage. If someone does not want to agree with what you have to say, then there is no point in continuing the discussion. Make the point and move on.
This G supposedly has an additional 7hp from exhaust if it is TT than the video is accurate.
A stock G is trapping about the same as a stock 55, times range from 12.9-12.3 stock.
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Cars should be very close according to data collected by Drag times
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Either way I just want to know if the video was a fake....I never thought the G would walk away so fast. Drove my buddy's G coupe...fast...but not 65 FAST 
Based on looks and the fact it is a Lambo, of course the G is the more desirable car, but I still think Juicee63 could run neck and neck based on the drag times.
Based on looks and the fact it is a Lambo, of course the G is the more desirable car, but I still think Juicee63 could run neck and neck based on the drag times.
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Either way I just want to know if the video was a fake....I never thought the G would walk away so fast. Drove my buddy's G coupe...fast...but not 65 FAST Based on looks and the fact it is a Lambo, of course the G is the more desirable car, but I still think Juicee63 could run neck and neck based on the drag times.
Based on looks and the fact it is a Lambo, of course the G is the more desirable car, but I still think Juicee63 could run neck and neck based on the drag times.Maybe the new Gallardos are faster than 65s?
heeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwww, no flippin way , Lambo man is serving his cool aide to his peeps and they are readily swallowing and wanting more
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According to Allan a stock G 06-07 beats (walks) a Renntech 600 and stock 65 .
nothing but personal attack an Mercedes bashing over there. I will film my car vs a stock G here in So Cal the cars are much closer than what was presented to us by Lambopower.com
Now if it is TRUE that a G walks 600's and 65's then I concede, a 63 would be destroyed. Sadly I thought we could be civil bout these comparisons but Mr. Lambo seems to be an egotistical maniac who has many clones that lack the ability to "freethink"
nothing but personal attack an Mercedes bashing over there. I will film my car vs a stock G here in So Cal the cars are much closer than what was presented to us by Lambopower.com
Now if it is TRUE that a G walks 600's and 65's then I concede, a 63 would be destroyed. Sadly I thought we could be civil bout these comparisons but Mr. Lambo seems to be an egotistical maniac who has many clones that lack the ability to "freethink"
By clone,you must mean owners that have both Lamborghini's and Mercedes in their garages. I do,and I enjoy them both.
It's funny that you are wasting so much energy defending a car that many of the guys on LP either own or have owned recently.
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I am just suprised by the lack of debate and discussion over there. The mebership here fights with eachother daily. we argue we discuss and ultimately we move on. On Lamboworld whatever Allan says you guys just agree and make personal attacks against the opposing opinion or thought.
I am learning about the G and appreciate some of the members honest and reasonable responses.
Its not a fair race, its sad that lambopower had to display the 63 in a bad light by staging this event when the original OP posted his SL 65 kills GALLARDO's and hangs with the Murcielago. It was a 65 he was talking about. Now on Lamboworld they are talking about a Stock G killing a Renntech 600 and a SL 65 (walking them). I can and have throughout this thread said that the G is FASTER than a 63. The video looks silly , maybe this is real maybe it is not. There must be a Gallardo owner in Southern california that would like to do a FRIENDLY run to see if we can duplicate the massacre that took place in AZ.
Why can't we have a decent discussion and reasoned debate?
Van Halen tickets to the first G owner that contacts me and massacres nmy car in a similar fashion. If he or she fails I will still buy em Lunch..no biggie guys just chill the **** out and stop calling me an idiot! LOL. I get enough of that here
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Depends on the weather
I am just suprised by the lack of debate and discussion over there. The mebership here fights with eachother daily. we argue we discuss and ultimately we move on. On Lamboworld whatever Allan says you guys just agree and make personal attacks against the opposing opinion or thought.
I am learning about the G and appreciate some of the members honest and reasonable responses.
Its not a fair race, its sad that lambopower had to display the 63 in a bad light by staging this event when the original OP posted his SL 65 kills GALLARDO's and hangs with the Murcielago. It was a 65 he was talking about. Now on Lamboworld they are talking about a Stock G killing a Renntech 600 and a SL 65 (walking them). I can and have throughout this thread said that the G is FASTER than a 63. The video looks silly , maybe this is real maybe it is not. There must be a Gallardo owner in Southern california that would like to do a FRIENDLY run to see if we can duplicate the massacre that took place in AZ.
Why can't we have a decent discussion and reasoned debate?
Van Halen tickets to the first G owner that contacts me and massacres nmy car in a similar fashion. If he or she fails I will still buy em Lunch..no biggie guys just chill the **** out and stop calling me an idiot! LOL. I get enough of that here
I am learning about the G and appreciate some of the members honest and reasonable responses.
Its not a fair race, its sad that lambopower had to display the 63 in a bad light by staging this event when the original OP posted his SL 65 kills GALLARDO's and hangs with the Murcielago. It was a 65 he was talking about. Now on Lamboworld they are talking about a Stock G killing a Renntech 600 and a SL 65 (walking them). I can and have throughout this thread said that the G is FASTER than a 63. The video looks silly , maybe this is real maybe it is not. There must be a Gallardo owner in Southern california that would like to do a FRIENDLY run to see if we can duplicate the massacre that took place in AZ.
Why can't we have a decent discussion and reasoned debate?
Van Halen tickets to the first G owner that contacts me and massacres nmy car in a similar fashion. If he or she fails I will still buy em Lunch..no biggie guys just chill the **** out and stop calling me an idiot! LOL. I get enough of that here
I can't speak for all the members at LP.. At the end of the day,it doesn't matter to me at all what car is faster. If I am in that big of a hurry,i'll fly.
I do take exception to some of the insulting posts that swipe at the Gallardo. Poorman's Lambo,Audi etc... I don't know any poor men that own any of these cars. I'd also suspect that anyone who drives a Gallardo could just as easily purchased a Murcielago. When I was in the market for something different,I drove a 360,a Murci and a Gallardo and prefered the G for a lot of reasons.
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Josh/Ricker, cmon lets move on or take it to PM....we r all enthusiasts as well some of us have run the cars in questions with considerably different results, the video was made to taunt you specifically Josh, and it worked, call it what it is and move forward....my .02
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My experiences have been different. I have raced a 520 HP Gallardo about 15 times from various speeds and never had a result like that.
In summary, this is what happened:
0-110 MPH - The E would get it every time and have almost 2 lenghts on the Gallardo to 50 MPH every time (did not make sense to me or the Gallardo owner either). It took him until around 100-110 to pass me. So, think about what I just wrote; 2-lenghts to 50 then he passed me at 110. That is a lot of distance to make up all things considering (the Gallardo is a faster car).
Now the interesting part...
"other speeds" like 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, to 100+. Usuall even until about 100 when the G starts to shine. If one of us would get the jump that person would stay ahead. BUT, it was clear the Gallardo was faster (the E-gear seems to shift slow).
No way the Gallardo I ran would have done that to my E55 (not in a million).
Any of you Lambo guys doubt this go to the LAMBO forum and post a question. A certain someone with a 2006 Gallardo E-Gear (who had a F360 Spyder and wrote a very interesting comparison of the F360 and Gallardo earlier in 2007) will attest to the results against a 2006 White E55. My car is stock except K&N air filters and runs consistent 12.3's.
Either way, in the heirarchy of cars the Gallardo is way above the E55...
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In summary, this is what happened:
0-110 MPH - The E would get it every time and have almost 2 lenghts on the Gallardo to 50 MPH every time (did not make sense to me or the Gallardo owner either). It took him until around 100-110 to pass me. So, think about what I just wrote; 2-lenghts to 50 then he passed me at 110. That is a lot of distance to make up all things considering (the Gallardo is a faster car).
Now the interesting part...
"other speeds" like 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, to 100+. Usuall even until about 100 when the G starts to shine. If one of us would get the jump that person would stay ahead. BUT, it was clear the Gallardo was faster (the E-gear seems to shift slow).
No way the Gallardo I ran would have done that to my E55 (not in a million).
Any of you Lambo guys doubt this go to the LAMBO forum and post a question. A certain someone with a 2006 Gallardo E-Gear (who had a F360 Spyder and wrote a very interesting comparison of the F360 and Gallardo earlier in 2007) will attest to the results against a 2006 White E55. My car is stock except K&N air filters and runs consistent 12.3's.
Either way, in the heirarchy of cars the Gallardo is way above the E55...
TK
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JUICE AND RICKER,
U guys are seriously bickering too much in a place where its not welcome. I think everbody is sick of it and if u guys want? U can start your own bickering thread or I will be more than happy to set up a UFC fight for u guys.
I'm wondering dont u guys have wives or GFs to argue with?
U guys are seriously bickering too much in a place where its not welcome. I think everbody is sick of it and if u guys want? U can start your own bickering thread or I will be more than happy to set up a UFC fight for u guys.
I'm wondering dont u guys have wives or GFs to argue with?
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HEY CALM DOWN.
I agreed to race u two month ago when u told me u needed 2 or 3 weeks before we do the race (OBVIOUSLY U had more unfinished mods to do) and I didnt really care. Now that your done with your mods and u definetly sound eager. U want us to drop everything and meet but unfortunetly I've been BUSY. IS ANYONE DODGING U? HARDLY, I will race u for fun, Whatever the outcome is ? I could care less, our cars are different and If u win I will be genuinely happy for u.
Throw a date and we'll work it out, just dont put my name in u and juice's fight.
I agreed to race u two month ago when u told me u needed 2 or 3 weeks before we do the race (OBVIOUSLY U had more unfinished mods to do) and I didnt really care. Now that your done with your mods and u definetly sound eager. U want us to drop everything and meet but unfortunetly I've been BUSY. IS ANYONE DODGING U? HARDLY, I will race u for fun, Whatever the outcome is ? I could care less, our cars are different and If u win I will be genuinely happy for u.
Throw a date and we'll work it out, just dont put my name in u and juice's fight.
So roll-out the dates bro?
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I am just suprised by the lack of debate and discussion over there. The mebership here fights with eachother daily. we argue we discuss and ultimately we move on. On Lamboworld whatever Allan says you guys just agree and make personal attacks against the opposing opinion or thought.
I am learning about the G and appreciate some of the members honest and reasonable responses.
Its not a fair race, its sad that lambopower had to display the 63 in a bad light by staging this event when the original OP posted his SL 65 kills GALLARDO's and hangs with the Murcielago. It was a 65 he was talking about. Now on Lamboworld they are talking about a Stock G killing a Renntech 600 and a SL 65 (walking them). I can and have throughout this thread said that the G is FASTER than a 63. The video looks silly , maybe this is real maybe it is not. There must be a Gallardo owner in Southern california that would like to do a FRIENDLY run to see if we can duplicate the massacre that took place in AZ.
Why can't we have a decent discussion and reasoned debate?
Van Halen tickets to the first G owner that contacts me and massacres nmy car in a similar fashion. If he or she fails I will still buy em Lunch..no biggie guys just chill the **** out and stop calling me an idiot! LOL. I get enough of that here
I am learning about the G and appreciate some of the members honest and reasonable responses.
Its not a fair race, its sad that lambopower had to display the 63 in a bad light by staging this event when the original OP posted his SL 65 kills GALLARDO's and hangs with the Murcielago. It was a 65 he was talking about. Now on Lamboworld they are talking about a Stock G killing a Renntech 600 and a SL 65 (walking them). I can and have throughout this thread said that the G is FASTER than a 63. The video looks silly , maybe this is real maybe it is not. There must be a Gallardo owner in Southern california that would like to do a FRIENDLY run to see if we can duplicate the massacre that took place in AZ.
Why can't we have a decent discussion and reasoned debate?
Van Halen tickets to the first G owner that contacts me and massacres nmy car in a similar fashion. If he or she fails I will still buy em Lunch..no biggie guys just chill the **** out and stop calling me an idiot! LOL. I get enough of that here
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So if this was a real race, your telling me this stock M5 would pull a CLS63/55 by as much as that lambo did, and anyone who has raced a M5 has taken one so it makes no sense.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA5uEaW5ZnQ
