Cls 63 Vs Gallardo Se
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I am thinking these 63s lose to everything. Just kidding. Here is a modded M6 up against the 63.
About the same distance as the Gallardo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIDTPACTO6s
About the same distance as the Gallardo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIDTPACTO6s
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to answer your question:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfNOjK0A3kU
Just about dead even.
M6 has 483 hp with headers, ECU upgrade, Exhaust, and Pulleys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfNOjK0A3kU
Just about dead even.
M6 has 483 hp with headers, ECU upgrade, Exhaust, and Pulleys.
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Thericker & juicee63 - PLEASE STOP THE PERSONAL BACK AND FORTH!
Neither of you will win, and we are all losing!
I know both of you from this forum, and you are both good people. Don't get caught in that never ending downward spiral that you two are heading for!
I am posting this publicly as I want both of you to see that you are not being singled out over the other. Also, I want the community at large to see that we really don't want to encourage this type of stuff.
Thanks guys!
Neither of you will win, and we are all losing!
I know both of you from this forum, and you are both good people. Don't get caught in that never ending downward spiral that you two are heading for!
I am posting this publicly as I want both of you to see that you are not being singled out over the other. Also, I want the community at large to see that we really don't want to encourage this type of stuff.
Thanks guys!
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juicee, post #177 clearly shows the 63 was walked by the modded M6. You can hear the driver say on three, and they go on three. The 63 doesnt even look like its moving.
the same mods are on the white M6 that races the Gallardo SE. They are basically even.
the same mods are on the white M6 that races the Gallardo SE. They are basically even.
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Starting from a roll is a foolish way to race as 99% of the time between close cars, the car that hits the throttle .1 second sooner wins.
You want a REAL race - go to the strip, use the same unbiased driver for all the cars. Anything less is just ego fodder, not anything close to "real and actual" testing.
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OO7 CLS63///G55TANK ///S80-T6///R1///R6
AND- are u lambo guys that desperate to show vids of a cls losing. modded m vs. stock amg---- same outcome if it was modded amg vs. stock m.
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Let me explain further:
In the first vid you have a Gallardo SE against the CLS63. Result=demolition
The last two videos sho a modded M6 take on the CLS63 and ...demolition
The last vid shows the same mods performed to the M6(white) against the same Gallardo Se. Result=even.
Conclussion? Both M6s and Gallardo are same in speed and power and the CLS loses by the same margin, the first video is no fake.
my .02.
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Is there some reason why you are ignoring my continued posts on this issue.
Let me restate. A race from a roll, the car that gets on the gas first wins. It is clear in that the M6 got into the throttle before the CLS.
Are you just ignoring this as it is too logical and you cannot explain it away?
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brad
Let me restate. A race from a roll, the car that gets on the gas first wins. It is clear in that the M6 got into the throttle before the CLS.
Are you just ignoring this as it is too logical and you cannot explain it away?
Thanks
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Is there some reason why you are ignoring my continued posts on this issue.
Let me restate. A race from a roll, the car that gets on the gas first wins. It is clear in that the M6 got into the throttle before the CLS.
Are you just ignoring this as it is too logical and you cannot explain it away?
Thanks
brad
Let me restate. A race from a roll, the car that gets on the gas first wins. It is clear in that the M6 got into the throttle before the CLS.
Are you just ignoring this as it is too logical and you cannot explain it away?
Thanks
brad
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So let me try to get your logic right.
The car with less torque takes an immediate 2 car length lead, and YOU cannot see that the M6 got on the gar first?
Well I rest my case, there is no reason to continue to argue the "facts" if you are not willing to deal with the reality of the situation.
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The car with less torque takes an immediate 2 car length lead, and YOU cannot see that the M6 got on the gar first?
Well I rest my case, there is no reason to continue to argue the "facts" if you are not willing to deal with the reality of the situation.
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From 40mph roll there's no way a lightly modded M6 is pulling away that quick from a 63. Faster yes, but not like that.
Remember what Jay's modded CL600 did to both the M5 and Gallardo....
Remember what Jay's modded CL600 did to both the M5 and Gallardo....
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new balance
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So let me try to get your logic right.
The car with less torque takes an immediate 2 car length lead, and YOU cannot see that the M6 got on the gar first?
Well I rest my case, there is no reason to continue to argue the "facts" if you are not willing to deal with the reality of the situation.
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brad
The car with less torque takes an immediate 2 car length lead, and YOU cannot see that the M6 got on the gar first?
Well I rest my case, there is no reason to continue to argue the "facts" if you are not willing to deal with the reality of the situation.
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brad
Just because we have differing opinions does not make your opinion right. It makes it your opinion. So what if my opinion is different.
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brad thats a joke as none of these guys will meet us at any strip, the only fast lambo is Mr Vrooms, at least he has the ***** to go out and run his car, they want none of this TQ down low so they want what they perceive to be the "advantage" of a roll on the street, I can tell u any gallardo doing that with me is toast, and on the strip, lol well theres no need to even go there
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The difference is my "opinion" is supported by sight, sound, logic, physics and the laws of horsepower and torque. Yours is supported by your desire to believe something that is not supported by sight, sound, logic, physics and the laws of horsepower and torque.
However, again, you are completely right, it is a matter of opinion. SO.... (to the post below) why not get to the strip!
brad thats a joke as none of these guys will meet us at any strip, the only fast lambo is Mr Vrooms, at least he has the ***** to go out and run his car, they want none of this TQ down low so they want the what they perceive to be the "advantage" of a roll on the street, I can tell u any gallardo doing that with me is toast, and on the strip, lol well theres no need to even go there
I have access to Gallardo's, Mercie's Diablo SV's, etc. I will try to get a track day together myself.
I will state again - a roll on a freeway without any sort of accurate timing and consistent reaction time is a WASTE and proves nothing - and that is NOT opinion, it is FACT.
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Yes of course you are correct.
The difference is my "opinion" is supported by sight, sound, logic, physics and the laws of horsepower and torque. Yours is supported by your desire to believe something that is not supported by sight, sound, logic, physics and the laws of horsepower and torque.
However, again, you are completely right, it is a matter of opinion. SO.... (to the post below) why not get to the strip!
LOL - I wish they would.
I have access to Gallardo's, Mercie's Diablo SV's, etc. I will try to get a track day together myself.
I will state again - a roll on a freeway without any sort of accurate timing and consistent reaction time is a WASTE and proves nothing - and that is NOT opinion, it is FACT.
Thanks
brad
The difference is my "opinion" is supported by sight, sound, logic, physics and the laws of horsepower and torque. Yours is supported by your desire to believe something that is not supported by sight, sound, logic, physics and the laws of horsepower and torque.
However, again, you are completely right, it is a matter of opinion. SO.... (to the post below) why not get to the strip!
LOL - I wish they would.
I have access to Gallardo's, Mercie's Diablo SV's, etc. I will try to get a track day together myself.
I will state again - a roll on a freeway without any sort of accurate timing and consistent reaction time is a WASTE and proves nothing - and that is NOT opinion, it is FACT.
Thanks
brad
I will be the first to state that I am no expert on the track, but a lot of track results goes to the driver.
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Reaction time (shown as RT on the time slip) does NOT affect the 1/4 time or trap.... it does NOT affect 60' time either. The clock does not start until the car passes the starting line. You could wait 5 seconds.... you'll visually lose to the car next to you... but you may still have faster 60' and 1/4.
So comparing time slips would be more accurate than street race - if and only if you just want to compare the cars, not the drivers (i.e. the complete package).
That's why when I read AJ's post saying that we need to put aside dragtimes, I almost fell to the floor laughing....
But just like my previous post, 1/4 time may still not give you the full picture. For example: E55 may have better 1/4 time than E63 or M5/6 but it may have slower 1/2 time, which will prove that E55 shines down low, while E63 or M5/6 shines up top.
So it really depends on what you want to measure.... cars only or driver+car. In most cases, people would like to compare cars only - driver's skills excluded.
If you really want to compare the complete complete package, try nurburgring. Driver+car+handling.
So comparing time slips would be more accurate than street race - if and only if you just want to compare the cars, not the drivers (i.e. the complete package).
That's why when I read AJ's post saying that we need to put aside dragtimes, I almost fell to the floor laughing....
But just like my previous post, 1/4 time may still not give you the full picture. For example: E55 may have better 1/4 time than E63 or M5/6 but it may have slower 1/2 time, which will prove that E55 shines down low, while E63 or M5/6 shines up top.
So it really depends on what you want to measure.... cars only or driver+car. In most cases, people would like to compare cars only - driver's skills excluded.
If you really want to compare the complete complete package, try nurburgring. Driver+car+handling.
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Reaction time (shown as RT on the time slip) does NOT affect the 1/4 time or trap.... it does NOT affect 60' time either. The clock does not start until the car passes the starting line. You could wait 5 seconds.... you'll visually lose to the car next to you... but you may still have faster 60' and 1/4.
So comparing time slips would be more accurate than street race - if and only if you just want to compare the cars, not the drivers (i.e. the complete package).
That's why when I read AJ's post saying that we need to put aside dragtimes, I almost fell to the floor laughing....
But just like my previous post, 1/4 time may still not give you the full picture. For example: E55 may have better 1/4 time than E63 or M5/6 but it may have slower 1/2 time, which will prove that E55 shines down low, while E63 or M5/6 shines up top.
So it really depends on what you want to measure.... cars only or driver+car. In most cases, people would like to compare cars only - driver's skills excluded.
If you really want to compare the complete complete package, try nurburgring. Driver+car+handling.
So comparing time slips would be more accurate than street race - if and only if you just want to compare the cars, not the drivers (i.e. the complete package).
That's why when I read AJ's post saying that we need to put aside dragtimes, I almost fell to the floor laughing....
But just like my previous post, 1/4 time may still not give you the full picture. For example: E55 may have better 1/4 time than E63 or M5/6 but it may have slower 1/2 time, which will prove that E55 shines down low, while E63 or M5/6 shines up top.
So it really depends on what you want to measure.... cars only or driver+car. In most cases, people would like to compare cars only - driver's skills excluded.
If you really want to compare the complete complete package, try nurburgring. Driver+car+handling.
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Is there some reason why you are ignoring my continued posts on this issue.
Let me restate. A race from a roll, the car that gets on the gas first wins. It is clear in that the M6 got into the throttle before the CLS.
Are you just ignoring this as it is too logical and you cannot explain it away?
Thanks
brad
Let me restate. A race from a roll, the car that gets on the gas first wins. It is clear in that the M6 got into the throttle before the CLS.
Are you just ignoring this as it is too logical and you cannot explain it away?
Thanks
brad
I take issue with this - this is simply incorrect. If the cars are even in the HP department, then it would be true. If there is a small delta in acceleration, it is true - but when there is a pronounced difference, then the faster car will pull the slower car, period. I have been down the drag strip literally thousands of times and been in hundreds of highway pulls with my cars - if the modded M6 is as much faster than the CLS than the Gallardo is, it won't matter who starts first, the only difference will be how big of a gap the faster car makes.
As for the video shown - don't kid yourself. The huge speed differential between that M6 and that CLS has nothing to do with the M6 getting on the gas first. It has everything to do with a big power to weight difference.
