Need Advice on Adding More Power to HPS SC
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Originally Posted by BlownS500
These results are truely pathetic, where are MechTech's Dyno #'s and Chart?
I will ask Jim at McDonald's to send to me and I will post Monday. I just hope they are my files.
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Originally Posted by BlownS500
I don't quite get the whole "Jesse tuned the car for drivability #'s and not wide open throttle?"
excuse. The ECU programming made almost no improvement after weeks of "road tuning." The problem was the blower kit from the very beginning. Also, how do you think a naturally aspirated 55 motor is going to make 600HP. It ain't gonna happen without lowering the compression ratio to the E55K 9:1 compression ratio. And to do that, you would need to change all the internal parts of the engine, which will cost a grip. Some people with modded E55K motors are having trouble making 600HP. Do a 55K motor swap or a kleeman kit.
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Originally Posted by pshek
That is a excuse. The ECU programming made almost no improvement after weeks of "road tuning." The problem was the blower kit from the very beginning.
Also, how do you think a naturally aspirated 55 motor is going to make 600HP. It ain't gonna happen without lowering the compression ratio to the E55K 9:1 compression ratio. And to do that, you would need to change all the internal parts of the engine, which will cost a grip. Some people with modded E55K motors are having trouble making 600HP. Do a 55K motor swap or a kleeman kit.
excuse. The ECU programming made almost no improvement after weeks of "road tuning." The problem was the blower kit from the very beginning. Also, how do you think a naturally aspirated 55 motor is going to make 600HP. It ain't gonna happen without lowering the compression ratio to the E55K 9:1 compression ratio. And to do that, you would need to change all the internal parts of the engine, which will cost a grip. Some people with modded E55K motors are having trouble making 600HP. Do a 55K motor swap or a kleeman kit.
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
Ask DragonAMG. His C55K S7 makes 445whp which translates to 540-550 bhp and he doesn't have Cams. With the heads ported and polished and Kleeman S8 package I might get there. The Kleemann Spring brochure still advertises the S8 package making up to 596 bhp. If these don't work then I'll probably ask a shop to lower the compression ratio by changing the head gaskets or even boring out the engine.
I think you need to calm down on your Witch Hunt for power, Your car has deffinitely been compromised during this *** backwards attempt at achieving the promised +400rwhp. (I DON'T THINK MECHTECH IS TO BLAME HERE)
As said by another poster, I also HIGHLY doubt another tuner will touch your car after there aware of this abuse (200+dyno pulls on a brand new motor running to much boost AFR's all outa wack ect..) they probably wouldn't want the liability.
I think w/all said and done you should hold HPS to your earlier claim that they would buy it back from you, Start over fresh unload this car if you can....
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
If these don't work then I'll probably ask a shop to lower the compression ratio by changing the head gaskets or even boring out the engine.
Really sucks about your car. I don't even want to think about what damage was caused to the motor. Also, from what it sounds like, Mech-Tech seems to be just as shady as HPS. If I was a dyno shop, there's no way I would ever let a car leave my shop with a dyno that wasn't for that car.
And again, my opinion of Jesse's tuning stays the same. Before this, the only thing I had ever seen his software do was make 2 cars run about 10whp below factory (right peter?
) and fry someone else's ECU.
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What the heck is wrong with that Gen2 system??!! My car makes more power with no ecu, no injectors and 40% less boost. I guess I'm lucky I didn't pay Jesse $5000.00 to tune my ECU, not sure where he came up with that number.
AMGSC I'm very sorry for everything you have gone through and dealing with all the "Melrose Place" drama. I hope HPS does the right thing and gives you everything you deserve so you can get your Kleemann system. Do you think HPS will buy your whole car back?
AMGSC I'm very sorry for everything you have gone through and dealing with all the "Melrose Place" drama. I hope HPS does the right thing and gives you everything you deserve so you can get your Kleemann system. Do you think HPS will buy your whole car back?
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
Linh told me (probably through Jesse) that the car was ONLY road tuned and NOT WOT tuned so that power is expected to be low..
Lol.....correction !! After our talked last night, i could not believe the numbers !!! I was trying to figured out what wrong with your car after going back to stock pulley. One thing we both know that we both saw your car making 396 rwhp w'8 psi on the dyno. The only thing difference now was, they went back to stock pulley and Jesse did some road tuning to correct the driveability issues and then all the sudden the hp changed. My question that i want to ask you last night was, when they went back to stock pulley, do you know if they retune the car at WOT again on the dyno? They should because they went back to stock pulley and things will change. We both know that Jesse only tune the driveability over the weekend.
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
Lol.....correction !! After our talked last night, i could not believe the numbers !!! I was trying to figured out what wrong with your car after going back to stock pulley. One thing we both know that we both saw your car making 396 rwhp w'8 psi on the dyno. The only thing difference now was, they went back to stock pulley and Jesse did some road tuning to correct the driveability issues and then all the sudden the hp changed. My question that i want to ask you last night was, when they went back to stock pulley, do you know if they retune the car at WOT again on the dyno? They should because they went back to stock pulley and things will change. We both know that Jesse only tune the driveability over the weekend.
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The answer is obvious wouldn't you be happy 
w/30-39 rwhp gain after buying a gen II for $9000-10k including taxes& installed
I flat out don't give a **** anymore I'm selling this paper weight and moving on......
I'am curious though how did Fast55 pull off all those kill stories I read w/his gen II...I guess we all exaggerate a little No offense Fast55 were all in this NIGHTMARE together
w/30-39 rwhp gain after buying a gen II for $9000-10k including taxes& installed I flat out don't give a **** anymore I'm selling this paper weight and moving on......
I'am curious though how did Fast55 pull off all those kill stories I read w/his gen II...I guess we all exaggerate a little
No offense Fast55 were all in this NIGHTMARE together
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Originally Posted by E55Cent
So what are you going to do with these new results? Are you going to remove, fix or be happy with what you have?
I don't know. One thing both AMGSC and I know for sure is that the car has no problem making 365 rwhp with stock pulley and air fuel ratio under 12. We both saw it on the dyno. My only guess is, something was changed by mistake after return to stock pulley that cause the power to drop so much. I don't really know, this is just a guess.
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
I don't know. One thing both AMGSC and I know for sure is that the car has no problem making 365 rwhp with stock pulley and air fuel ratio under 12. We both saw it on the dyno. My only guess is, something was changed by mistake after return to stock pulley that cause the power to drop so much. I don't really know, this is just a guess.
The one amgsc posted shows only 327-339 rwhp???????????that 365 # was the rw torque
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Linh, Do you realize this whole thread started nearly 3 months ago.......
They can't do it man, Game over this Maggie w/hps marriage is falling apart at the seams.
I wish it worked to but.....Guess I was right way back when you let me drive your CL55 post gen II install, and I told you "Linh don't get mad but your car doesn't feel any faster than mine"
They can't do it man, Game over this Maggie w/hps marriage is falling apart at the seams.
I wish it worked to but.....Guess I was right way back when you let me drive your CL55 post gen II install, and I told you "Linh don't get mad but your car doesn't feel any faster than mine"
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Originally Posted by BlownS500
What dyno are you looking at????????
The one amgsc posted shows only 327-339 rwhp???????????that 365 # was the rw torque
The one amgsc posted shows only 327-339 rwhp???????????that 365 # was the rw torque
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
"We both saw it on the dyno". What does that mean? Read my post again !!
They've tried tuning the hell out of it and came up right back where we started.
They paid Jesse $5k If he could make the power he would've done it by now
no more excuses...
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Originally Posted by BlownS500
They can't do it man, Game over this Maggie w/hps marriage is falling apart at the seams.
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[QUOTE=BlownS500]Take it easy Linh, I realize you might of seen it on the dyno machine but that really doesn't prove anything does it?
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Yes, it does dude, to both of us. You got to realize that the set-up was not the same at the time we both saw it on the dyno. The boost is changed, you don't think that the boost have any effect on the gain? I'm trying to find out to see if they retune the car again on the dyno after the pulley is changed. I doubt it because there's NO way on their right mind return the car to AMGSC knowing the car only gain 332 rwhp. Again, this is only my guess.
QUOTE]
Yes, it does dude, to both of us. You got to realize that the set-up was not the same at the time we both saw it on the dyno. The boost is changed, you don't think that the boost have any effect on the gain? I'm trying to find out to see if they retune the car again on the dyno after the pulley is changed. I doubt it because there's NO way on their right mind return the car to AMGSC knowing the car only gain 332 rwhp. Again, this is only my guess.
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
Sean, do you think before you say things? I thought the you're getting the 500 engine with HPS SC, ECU...etc? Do you think they gonna help you now?
I'm going to have MT install the 500 w/35k miles on it, and sell the fricken car I'll get more $$ for it than if it was just a 430 so all in all that's how I'm dealing w/it...
Besides what's the big +++ about there ECU anyway I sure don't see it here.
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Originally Posted by BlownS500
Linh, Do you ever post or read over at Benzworld? Adam uses Vdocs acct. and told me they wouldn't help me among other malicious banter, I don't care anymore..
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Sean, yes i do. What does that have anything to do with what we're talking about it right? Just keep your personal differences out out this. We all know what happen the last times and i thought that you apologized to HPS? You don't need to answer it, so let just keep it out.
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[QUOTE=Clk&Slk]
Put it this way Linh do you think Jesse would leave anything on the table knowing amgsc was going for a final dyno this weekend?
He pulled all could out've it w/less boost and that's all she's got plain and simple..
Originally Posted by BlownS500
Take it easy Linh, I realize you might of seen it on the dyno machine but that really doesn't prove anything does it?
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Yes, it does dude, to both of us. You got to realize that the set-up was not the same at the time we both saw it on the dyno. The boost is changed, you don't think that the boost have any effect on the gain? I'm trying to find out to see if they retune the car again on the dyno after the pulley is changed. I doubt it because there's NO way on their right mind return the car to AMGSC knowing the car only gain 332 rwhp. Again, this is only my guess.
QUOTE]
Yes, it does dude, to both of us. You got to realize that the set-up was not the same at the time we both saw it on the dyno. The boost is changed, you don't think that the boost have any effect on the gain? I'm trying to find out to see if they retune the car again on the dyno after the pulley is changed. I doubt it because there's NO way on their right mind return the car to AMGSC knowing the car only gain 332 rwhp. Again, this is only my guess.
He pulled all could out've it w/less boost and that's all she's got plain and simple..
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Originally Posted by BlownS500
I flat out don't give a **** anymore I'm selling this paper weight and moving on......
For me the ship has sailed on HPS as of last Friday afternoon. NO MAS MAN!
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Originally Posted by BlownS500
The answer is obvious wouldn't you be happy w/30-39 rwhp gain after buying a gen II for $9000-10k including taxes& installed
I flat out don't give a **** anymore I'm selling this paper weigh and moving on......
I'am curious though how did Fast55 pull off all those kill stories I read w/his gen II...I guess we all exaggerate a little No offense Fast55 were all in this NIGHTMARE together
w/30-39 rwhp gain after buying a gen II for $9000-10k including taxes& installed I flat out don't give a **** anymore I'm selling this paper weigh and moving on......
I'am curious though how did Fast55 pull off all those kill stories I read w/his gen II...I guess we all exaggerate a little
No offense Fast55 were all in this NIGHTMARE together 
