Linh you must realize If I want or need help in anyway making HPS's ADVERTISED rwhp, HPS is beholden by LAW to do it.

If they refuse to help me make my car achieve their Advertised claims???

I can report this false hp claim advertising to many organizations, 1 in mind BBB, ect.....I can hire a Lawyer to start a class action suit and Subpoena hps to release all their customers info who've bought gen II.....Ect.....

 

Thanks for the offer but those are trash to me.

 

Oh O.K. there Linh Whatever man.....

 

Seriously...Sean. How many times i keep reminding you on the phone that i do not want to hear you talk about Adam. You know that i really mean it.

 

Linh ??When do I talk about Adam on the phone to you???NEVER only last year when all that other crap broke please don't put words in my mouth...

 

Sean, read my post again, please. Did it mention date, time, year...etc. It just say how i felt every times you talked about Adam. I'll make this more clear for you....you did not say anything bad about Adam to me this year until now.

 

Best statement I've heard thus far!!!

 

Check the HPS Press Release Published in December.

See Below. It CLEARY STATES Horsepower and Torque gains of 135-150.

Also Notice that HPS has actually raised their prices to $9,950 while Kleemann dropped their prices to $11,000.

GO FIGURE!

AND These are the Prices listed on SuperchargersOnline.com as of today.

 

My bad cool Linh...

 

You didn't reply back to my post on your Rose bowl pic's Vette's luukin' BADDD **** my friend

 

Cool. So when are you gonna come down to San Diego to get me my free dyno that you promised?

 

Bro I tried to tell you on the phone, I'll be at MT on monday the 20th of this month at 9:00am If you wanna meet up give me a hollar..

MT already has my new engine it was delivered to them yesterday...

 

Maybe HPS thinks that their modified Customer PO and Bill of Sale can protect them but I've got news for them.

http://www.myhps.com/clientuploads/p...-05-Rev.A1.pdf

Did I mention that Adam was sitting in my car when the engine suddenly died on the freeway completely during one of the tuning exercises last month? I was lucky enough to creep off the exit. Hell! I could have been KILLED by that damn kit.

 

Funny, my HoP kit was quite a bit under 10k and I got 135 actual RWHP (roughly 167 BHP according to the 22% drivetrain loss everyone seems to use) and I've had no problems with my kit. I guess you can get that kind of power for less than Kleemann if the tuner knows what he's doing lol. Too bad the HoP kit won't fit in the C55 engine bay. Kleemann it is!

 

Lynh, curious as to why you don't go get your own dam dyno done and pay for it yourself? Not to mention why are you still going to bat for HPS? You think there problem is fixable? You give more excuses then anyone I know. Also please tell the class that your showing up in your Benz to my dyno shootout!!!!!! Or are you going to hide like always? Or like at the Oktoberfest turn down a free dyno!!!!! I'm tired of hearing you.

Jesse can't tune for crap, so stop making excuses for him. If he was anyone his *** would be on this forum talking. Where is he. WOT or part throttle it doesn't matter. The dealer tunes the car for optimum performance all over. I tune cars for optimum performance all over. You don't give a customer his car back and say it's done, when its not. You do it right the first time. Curious you own a business? Then you would know CUSTOMER SERVICE is the number one priority, MAKE THEM HAPPY. Obviously HPS can't accomplish this small feat. So do us all a favor stop making excuses, as they say the proof is in the pudding. HPS has been weighed, measured and found to be a piece of crap BAR NONE. You want performance go with a company you trust don't be cheap about it. All HPS did was cheapen the dam market am I right?
This whole topic is the same damn topic that has been going on for years. Nothing new, many of us knew HPS was bogus and we sat back and laughed at them because of it. So now Adam as you sit back and read this with headaches and a glass of scotch (scratch that) a glass of nightrain in your hand to lessen the pressures of guilt from you. Know this, if you don't posses the ability to do something right don't do it at all. Like someone said before, "Don't try and be a major league pitcher when you can barely pitch teaball correctly".
So here is your challenge Mr. Follman. You know the date of the dyno shootout, bring your company CLS 500 and prove that it makes the number on the dyno and off. I'll give you a handicap my 4.3 litres against your 5.0. Put up or shutup. Also please bring your sidekick Victor, you know the guy who makes 150g plus a year but has to put a kit on lay-away. See you there Slim Shim Sham Shady (I like that Peter ).
Sorry fellow forum members for my rant, but enough is enough. This has gone on for much to long, the lies, the BS, the false promises, and the every so popular Dyno shim sham. If any of you go and by this system after knowingly know what you know now it's on you. I'm truly sorry as a fellow tuner and business owner to see you people ripped off like you where.It pisses me off, because we are all in the quest for more power. We aren't here to be ripped off in the process. Robert I'm sorry Friday wasn't your day but I believe you know what needs to be done. You will see 380+ but not with that paperweight, but with a real supercharger system that works.

 

Newbie here, just want to throw in my 2 cents

Having watched this thread unfold, it has been interesting to watch the unfortunate saga of AMG SC's experience.

His final dyno sessions may have been compromised by previous events:
Lean running may have damaged valve seats,combustion chambers etc; Rich running may have caused bore wash. Heat soak and dyno repeatability may also have a part to play. RW figures are easy to fix by dragging the brake on run down. There are many technically astute members on this forum who, I am sure, will say this is straw clutching - and they are probably right...

At the end of the day, tuning is not an easy business. Manufacturers have massive budgets for this sort of thing and smaller companies have to start somewhere. They need to develop a business through hard work, experimentation and supply a product with repeatable, consistent results. This is no walk in the park - I know

Many companies have years of experience and offer great products. Kleemann have an excellent reputation - I have yet to speak to someone who has been dissatisfied with them - and if I were tuning a top end Mercedes I would be looking at the top end tuning companies with reputations to match. I have every sympathy with AMG SC and I hope no-one here will suffer the same misfortune in the future. If you are going to offer your car for development work, be sure you can afford the dissappointment if it doesn't work out.

Good hunting......

 

Thanks for the insight and advice for me and everyone else reading this thread that is contemplating this decision. Can you please clarify your statement about fixing the RW by "dragging the brake on the run down"?
Do you mean that the figures can be sabotaged? Should I get another dyno at a completely neutral shop?

More importantly...you are scaring the crap out of me regarding the potential damage to the engine! What should I do to get it tested without having MBUSA void my warranty?

Finally, I did not offer my car up for experimentation. I returned it to them the first tme because it was only making 310whp the first time and the next 4-5 times because I was getting fault and error codes alon with poor drivability. All this should count as warrantly repair work. I did not ask for the smaller pulley, larger injectors or ECU mod. These were all initiated by HPS in attempts to make the HP that they originally advertised and guaranteed to me.

 

When a car is on a dyno be it an inertia dyno or a loaded dyno, the horsepower test is taken "under acceleration" and "drivetrain effeciency" is taken on run down or coasting. Lets make that clear.

Any dyno run can be sabotaged, it is usually done to "achieve" said results i.e. "cooking numbers" when the said results can not be obtained through proper testing.. The usual method of choice is to get the oil temp up so the oil is very thin, Mercedes use a 0w-40w so at proper temp oil is 0w weight. Then the cylinder heads are allowed to cool for 15 to 20 min then you do a final power run. This method can net good HP gains, is it right well no, is it done well yes. That is why we do 3 back to back runs then the 4th run is usually the "real" power run, and our retests are done the same way. This is the only way you can exclude variables.

Now to make lower numbers yes you can drag the brakes, but you would have to drag the brakes at the begining of the run to show a proper linear curve. You couldn't start dragging the brakes at say 4,000 RPM's because to a trained eye you would see a significant loss of HP and Torque suddenly at 4,000 to redline. It would look fishy just as fishy as Super C55's dyno looked. Now if you tried to back off on the throttle the curve would look very strange. Remember most european cars today as well as some late domestic cars are using "throttle by wire". So when you back off on the throttle you are reducing load by a said percentage, this has a tendency to flatten out the curve, also very fishy looking.

Has there been damage done to AMGSC's car. In my professional opinion,.. yes. Connecting rods have an "X" amount of cycles in them at sustained RPM's. Repeated testing will rapidly diminish the life. Now how many cycles do they have.... hundreds of millions. But it does happen that's why rods break. Would a chevy guy use a set of rods from a 67 small block over new ones?, no he wouldn't. Runing a car very lean under throttle has the tendency to burn the valve face and seat quickly. Rich condition has the tendency of dulling the 2 top compression rings. There are so many to list.

At the end of the day it comes down to this. Just like Gaz said and others on this topic. You don't settle for less, basically you get what you pay for. You drive a top quality car why would you settle for below quality product? Reason why you would, because it was cheaper plain and simple. If any of you would have seen the internal laminova cores a kleemann has, over that CPU cooler of an IC that HPS has without a doubt you would have gone with a kleemann. Do your research, investigate the company. We can all say that testimonials is in the eye of the beholder from here on out HPS has made sure of that. Also, if the tuner does not have an in house dyno for proper research and development well.............. I would be worried.
This is for all the HPS customers. Your "warranty" that you so cherish. Where is it? Did you sign any paperwork regarding a warranty? Where is this said warranty company? Those of you who own kleemann's have seen your warranty paperwork the installer has to send it back to kleemann. Even has its own serial code. Honestly I believe there is no such warranty company. For all you know it could be a simple $35.00 DBA company called "HPOSW" filled in Utah.


As the cable guy says getrdone. Good luck to all of you.

 

[QUOTE=JR1]Lynh, curious as to why you don't go get your own dam dyno done and pay for it yourself?

Not to mention why are you still going to bat for HPS? You think there problem is fixable? You give more excuses then anyone I know. Also please tell the class that your showing up in your Benz to my dyno shootout!!!!!!

Or are you going to hide like always? Or like at the Oktoberfest turn down a free dyno!!!!! I'm tired of hearing you.
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Josh, what make you think i didn't get a dyno done on my car after I heard about your discover dyno on AMGSC car? Let just say that i didn't even wait for Mark Cumming free dyno but went out and get a dyno on my own (not like someone i know that still haven't even get a dyno yet.....THE R@@I@@C@@K@@E@@R )

I'm not sure that i will bat for them anymore regarding the SC but i will defend any personal ATTACK !!! Sean, Why don't you take this personal ATTACK over to the other forum where it all started !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why do you bring it here DUDE?

Like i said many times, it was you personally acting un-proffessional like personal attack, name calling....etc on the others forum on many posts. It a no no for me specially when you represent a company. But i do admired you just like Vadim for your knowledge in mods/tuning cars. Like i told you, your kit is AWESOME in term of power but i just don't like the look and noise. It just my opinion/style. Why do you think i didn't go with HPS GEN 1? I was there at the HPS open house event and heard the noise on the GEN 1 and i just shake my head.

I suggest you skip throught my post if you don't want to read what i have to say.

 

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I will but Dude, it kindna hard to skip throught post when you posting their pictures. Anyway, let get back to the matter. With everything said in here and well proven that the HPS sc is not what HPS said it is thus far. We all know this too well by now but one thing i don't understand you is, you still taking a dive, head first, with your 500 engine with HPS sc. My point is, there's no way in hell the engine will run safe without software (at least with HPS system) without the backing of HPS and Jesse. How are you going to fix that problems? I read your earlier post regarding HPS have to fix your problem by law and i agreed but you don't realize that you will change your engine and so the law does not protect you anymore.

It your money and do what ever make you happy but just don't come back and complain how ****ty the car run after you has read all 15 pages of this post. Btw, this is only a discussion......i'm not trying to make you feel of anything. I just don't understand what you about to do. But knowing you, anything can change in an instant second. 3 weeks ago, it does make sense.

 

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Like i said many times, it was you personally acting un-proffessional like personal attack, name calling....etc on the others forum on many posts. It a no no for me specially when you represent a company.[/QUOTE]


I suggest you find those posts. My representation of my company is simple. Straight forward and no bull****. If bull**** is what you want then continue your quest with HPS.

By the way Lynh, how is your car running these days? Also Lynh when a car starts to make big power it tends to get noisy and loud. If quietness is what your after go get a Prius.

 

Bro, my bad Haven't checked out that thread recently...and thanks! Good luck with the engine transplant.

 

Cool

 

I wish i have the Kleemann system.............and it an honest answer !!! "Make big power, it tend to get noisy and loud", my friend, then why kleemann, AMG system...etc are so quite?

 

Noisy and Loud = exhaust notes, which in turn correlates to power. Not engines blowing up.