Need Advice on Adding More Power to HPS SC
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My last dyno before Splitter, TB, Johnson Pump and Heat Exchanger Upgrade
This was the only dyno chart Jessie saved for me. It's not the 438rwtq but it's closest to reality after several back to back runs. Since I already bought the Johnson pump and the splitter & throttle body are so inexpensive that I might as well throw them on to see if they make any difference. I might stick the smaller pulley back on also since Kleemann's run .5 bar which is 7.3psi and I am only running 7.0. The 2.65in dia pulley should bump up my boost back up to 7.3. Then we can get an apples to apples comparison between the highly efficient Kleemann and the turbulent HPS kit. All this experimentation can benefit a prototype design as well. Oh and next time I will fill up Methanol/Water in the tank since it was empty when I dropped it off. Mechtech gained 10rwhp from turning it on with a full tank of spray on the chart I posted earlier.
As you can see, Jessie leaned it out a bit and the torque improved by 26rwtq, the 389rwhp was dissapointing on this run but he only charged me an hour of tuning although he spent nearly 6 hours on the road and dyno. Jessie is not only the MAN but fair as well. He told me that if he did'nt make ANY power it would be 100% free! That's quite a guarantee when dealing with a flawed kit to begin with.
As you can see, Jessie leaned it out a bit and the torque improved by 26rwtq, the 389rwhp was dissapointing on this run but he only charged me an hour of tuning although he spent nearly 6 hours on the road and dyno. Jessie is not only the MAN but fair as well. He told me that if he did'nt make ANY power it would be 100% free! That's quite a guarantee when dealing with a flawed kit to begin with.
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Here's my take on making a supercharger kit for the used Mercedes segment...Kleeman, Renntech, and Carlsson have marketed their supercharger tuning kits with success, and they have a good track record to prove it. There's no point in trying to reinvent the wheel, so making another supercharger kit that might be cheaper isn't going to be appealing to most of us. I think people are more interested in twin turbo kits now since that's where the most power can be gained.
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Here's my take on making a supercharger kit for the used Mercedes segment...Kleeman, Renntech, and Carlsson have marketed their supercharger tuning kits with success, and they have a good track record to prove it. There's no point in trying to reinvent the wheel, so making another supercharger kit that might be cheaper isn't going to be appealing to most of us. I think people are more interested in twin turbo kits now since that's where the most power can be gained.
Here are some of my questions about this idea
1) Added complexity of standardizing such a kit?
2) Greater risk of blown engines?
3) More difficult to restore back to stock when trying to sell?
4) Extremely expensive installation cost?
5) Turbo lag...Although a small and large Turbo may help with that ?
6) Turbo's still scavenge engine power to make power?
7) Not practical for daily driving. Top end power only?
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yes
no - the same. bad tuning is bad tuning, good tuning is good tuning. all depends on the tune and boost level. easier to add boost, so i guess ultimately, yes it may be easier.
potentially
typically more then a supercharger
on a V motor, you use two identical turbo's and with modern electronics and turbo technology, this is not an issue
yes
no, no, no. Turbo's typically offer much more low end torque then most blowers. comparing a turbo to a roots/twin screw blower - the torque is very similar.
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2) Greater risk of blown engines?
3) More difficult to restore back to stock when trying to sell?
4) Extremely expensive installation cost?
5) Turbo lag...Although a small and large Turbo may help with that ?
6) Turbo's still scavenge engine power to make power?
7) Not practical for daily driving. Top end power only?
Thanks
Brad
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Does the 11:1 CR have to lowered on a C55 to be a candidate for TT? What's the Ball Park cost of doing such a project?
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You, sir, are an idiot. Obviously, because you didn't read the rest of the thread. Now let me ask you this - how many more times do you personally want to look like fool?
Of all things to reply to, you continue replying to some sort of "grudge" - some kind of defacing, slanderous, grudge. Keep going, homeslice.
Of all things to reply to, you continue replying to some sort of "grudge" - some kind of defacing, slanderous, grudge. Keep going, homeslice.
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You, sir, are an idiot. Obviously, because you didn't read the rest of the thread. Now let me ask you this - how many more times do you personally want to look like fool?
Of all things to reply to, you continue replying to some sort of "grudge" - some kind of defacing, slanderous, grudge. Keep going, homeslice.
Of all things to reply to, you continue replying to some sort of "grudge" - some kind of defacing, slanderous, grudge. Keep going, homeslice.
You have been owned and called out... I don't look like the idiot here.
You got called out for posting as though you have a vested interest in the outcomes - and always putting up your support for SI (your the only one that does). Keep getting defensive, that isn't going to help your sales very much.
PS. jesse, I met you over at Eurorev. Also my friend wants to talk with you about his Cayenne Turbo that you messed up last year. But there is no way to contact you? you never pick up your phone? how about you list a street address to send him down and come to see you? Lucky for me, I never got my car done with you over at EuroRev (thank goodness). I tried asking JLevi but he couldnt tell me anything more than Status Inc.???
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Blake,
Vadim has nothing to do with the site other then being a sponsor, I do however.
And I do care. I have also just gotten another verification that mig888 is not Jesse. Jose and Jesse were thought to share the same initial and last name, so the registered email address matched. This is verified not to be the case.
He is back as part of the fun!
He and the other "pot stirrers" need to play nice though.
Back to your regular scheduled e-arguing.
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Vadim has nothing to do with the site other then being a sponsor, I do however.
And I do care. I have also just gotten another verification that mig888 is not Jesse. Jose and Jesse were thought to share the same initial and last name, so the registered email address matched. This is verified not to be the case.
He is back as part of the fun!
He and the other "pot stirrers" need to play nice though.
Back to your regular scheduled e-arguing.
Thanks
Brad
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Blake,
Vadim has nothing to do with the site other then being a sponsor, I do however.
And I do care. I have also just gotten another verification that mig888 is not Jesse. Jose and Jesse were thought to share the same initial and last name, so the registered email address matched. This is verified not to be the case.
He is back as part of the fun!
He and the other "pot stirrers" need to play nice though.
Back to your regular scheduled e-arguing.
Thanks
Brad
Vadim has nothing to do with the site other then being a sponsor, I do however.
And I do care. I have also just gotten another verification that mig888 is not Jesse. Jose and Jesse were thought to share the same initial and last name, so the registered email address matched. This is verified not to be the case.
He is back as part of the fun!
He and the other "pot stirrers" need to play nice though.
Back to your regular scheduled e-arguing.
Thanks
Brad
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Which Gear gets higher RWHP? 3RD OR 4TH?
A friend just pointed out that Jessie's dyno of my car was run in 3rd gear since the peak HP occurred at only 99mph while my dyno at JBA was run in 4th gear as the peak HP was at 123mph.
So which gear is the correct gear to dyno and which yields more power?
So which gear is the correct gear to dyno and which yields more power?
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Really? I've never heard of a dyno run on 4th gear. Majority of the dynos I've seen done have been in 3rd gear.
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Oh Crap!
No my engine did'nt blow up but my CHECK ENGINE light went on last night and won't go off this morning on my way to work!
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