Need Advice on Adding More Power to HPS SC
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What's up James? It's funny how many PMs I get during a week thanking me for the negative AND positive experiences I've posted.
I am doing no more than other forum members who are doing heavy modding by sharing my experiences so that they can decide what is worthwile and what is not from a cost/benefit perspective.
I know that a heavily modded C55 still cannot compete with the E, CL, CLS, S, SL in a straight line unless I lower the Compression Ratio and Increase the Boost. But that's in the works...
I am doing no more than other forum members who are doing heavy modding by sharing my experiences so that they can decide what is worthwile and what is not from a cost/benefit perspective.
I know that a heavily modded C55 still cannot compete with the E, CL, CLS, S, SL in a straight line unless I lower the Compression Ratio and Increase the Boost. But that's in the works...
I think it's good that you are sharing your experiences with other members. Just too bad it has costed you a lot more in the long run. What are you doing with the car now?
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Hey Robert! Not much. How's things? Still working on your car i see. You still have HPS in there or is it taken out? I know this has been said before. You should've gotten the kleemann system when it was still available and save yourself the headache etc.
I think it's good that you are sharing your experiences with other members. Just too bad it has costed you a lot more in the long run. What are you doing with the car now?
I think it's good that you are sharing your experiences with other members. Just too bad it has costed you a lot more in the long run. What are you doing with the car now?
Need your Kleemann advice...Which do you prefer and why? The "New" Eaton-roots Kit or the "Old" Autorotor-twin screw Kit?
I know that Autorotor went out of business according to Brandon and Cory so what happens if the blower itself needs to be repaired or replaced? I don't think the twin-screws will have any post-sale support any longer. Am I correct? If I get the "New" Eaton-roots kit then it would not be very different from the HPS kit I have now. What would you do in my shoes?
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I'd go with the Autorotor Twin-Screw kit anytime. The Eaton's don't make quite as much boost in the lower RPM range like the screw-type, but will maintain more boost at a higher RPM, which is kind of a trade off. I've always loved the instant low torque kick when off the line.
Don't know what would happen if the kit needs repair. But i do know that ever since this kit has been out in the market i haven't heard of a single one going out. Only problem i know that has been common are the V6 kit and their water pumps. The V8 G4 kits are rock solid with no problems. In addition when you first buy the V8 kits it already comes with the Johnson pumps so no need to upgrade that. As far as support even though this kit has been discontinued i still talk to Cory once in a while. Guess you can call that support?
As far as the new Eaton kit, can't really comment on it since i've only heard things about it but never experienced it. One thing for sure though is that the Kleemann Eaton kit is well engineered from what Cory had said.
If i were in your shoe i'd pick the twin screw but since it's no longer available get the Eaton. The results might be a bit different depending on what exactly you have on your car(mods wise). Hope this helps.
Don't know what would happen if the kit needs repair. But i do know that ever since this kit has been out in the market i haven't heard of a single one going out. Only problem i know that has been common are the V6 kit and their water pumps. The V8 G4 kits are rock solid with no problems. In addition when you first buy the V8 kits it already comes with the Johnson pumps so no need to upgrade that. As far as support even though this kit has been discontinued i still talk to Cory once in a while. Guess you can call that support?
As far as the new Eaton kit, can't really comment on it since i've only heard things about it but never experienced it. One thing for sure though is that the Kleemann Eaton kit is well engineered from what Cory had said.
If i were in your shoe i'd pick the twin screw but since it's no longer available get the Eaton. The results might be a bit different depending on what exactly you have on your car(mods wise). Hope this helps.
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I'd go with the Autorotor Twin-Screw kit anytime. The Eaton's don't make quite as much boost in the lower RPM range like the screw-type, but will maintain more boost at a higher RPM, which is kind of a trade off. I've always loved the instant low torque kick when off the line.
Don't know what would happen if the kit needs repair. But i do know that ever since this kit has been out in the market i haven't heard of a single one going out. Only problem i know that has been common are the V6 kit and their water pumps. The V8 G4 kits are rock solid with no problems. In addition when you first buy the V8 kits it already comes with the Johnson pumps so no need to upgrade that. As far as support even though this kit has been discontinued i still talk to Cory once in a while. Guess you can call that support?
As far as the new Eaton kit, can't really comment on it since i've only heard things about it but never experienced it. One thing for sure though is that the Kleemann Eaton kit is well engineered from what Cory had said.
If i were in your shoe i'd pick the twin screw but since it's no longer available get the Eaton. The results might be a bit different depending on what exactly you have on your car(mods wise). Hope this helps.
Don't know what would happen if the kit needs repair. But i do know that ever since this kit has been out in the market i haven't heard of a single one going out. Only problem i know that has been common are the V6 kit and their water pumps. The V8 G4 kits are rock solid with no problems. In addition when you first buy the V8 kits it already comes with the Johnson pumps so no need to upgrade that. As far as support even though this kit has been discontinued i still talk to Cory once in a while. Guess you can call that support?
As far as the new Eaton kit, can't really comment on it since i've only heard things about it but never experienced it. One thing for sure though is that the Kleemann Eaton kit is well engineered from what Cory had said.
If i were in your shoe i'd pick the twin screw but since it's no longer available get the Eaton. The results might be a bit different depending on what exactly you have on your car(mods wise). Hope this helps.
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The Eaton's are great but they do produce a little more heat. You can get them repaired right here in my town Ventura,CA They charged me $200 for new bearings, nose and oil. I have an Eaton on my Benz and I get instant power. I'm at 6psi at 1200rpm. I also have an Eaton in my Mini that I spin to 20,000 and make 18psi. I love the sound of an Eaton blower.
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No wonder I have'nt seen you on the boards lately. You've been busy with your Mini Rocket.
Fun and economical on gas! Good Choice. How much did the kit cost you and who makes it?
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I'd go with the Autorotor Twin-Screw kit anytime. The Eaton's don't make quite as much boost in the lower RPM range like the screw-type, but will maintain more boost at a higher RPM, which is kind of a trade off. I've always loved the instant low torque kick when off the line.
Don't know what would happen if the kit needs repair. But i do know that ever since this kit has been out in the market i haven't heard of a single one going out. Only problem i know that has been common are the V6 kit and their water pumps. The V8 G4 kits are rock solid with no problems. In addition when you first buy the V8 kits it already comes with the Johnson pumps so no need to upgrade that. As far as support even though this kit has been discontinued i still talk to Cory once in a while. Guess you can call that support?
As far as the new Eaton kit, can't really comment on it since i've only heard things about it but never experienced it. One thing for sure though is that the Kleemann Eaton kit is well engineered from what Cory had said.
If i were in your shoe i'd pick the twin screw but since it's no longer available get the Eaton. The results might be a bit different depending on what exactly you have on your car(mods wise). Hope this helps.
Don't know what would happen if the kit needs repair. But i do know that ever since this kit has been out in the market i haven't heard of a single one going out. Only problem i know that has been common are the V6 kit and their water pumps. The V8 G4 kits are rock solid with no problems. In addition when you first buy the V8 kits it already comes with the Johnson pumps so no need to upgrade that. As far as support even though this kit has been discontinued i still talk to Cory once in a while. Guess you can call that support?
As far as the new Eaton kit, can't really comment on it since i've only heard things about it but never experienced it. One thing for sure though is that the Kleemann Eaton kit is well engineered from what Cory had said.
If i were in your shoe i'd pick the twin screw but since it's no longer available get the Eaton. The results might be a bit different depending on what exactly you have on your car(mods wise). Hope this helps.
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Which kit are you talking about?
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The Mini is a blast, I have about 13k invested in the motor and another 10k in wheels, coilovers, and exterior mods. The car came with 169hp and now it has 270hp. My Eaton blower can't make any more power so I'm off to a turbo kit or new Rotex supercharger kit and I will be at 350hp to 400hp.
Which kit are you talking about?
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This thread has gone too far and veered totally out of its original purpose. The current discussion warrants another thread. Please, don't turn this to a personal blog of your ongoing progression of un-decisiveness.
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not stock.
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Yeah Mario! Stop talking about that mini. No one cares about you or your stupid mini!
"why can't we get this thing to drift @ 30mph in the parking garage?" I say the concrete was too grippy! Remember..ha ha ha. Car is bad a** bro
I got a picture for you too, my instructor just bought a blue/white mini that perfectly matches our Heli's. Its a cool pic.
To keep this on HPS topic I need to have my maggie rebuilt as the bearings are starting to make some noise and I think the rotors are grinding under certain conditions...
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I was dismayed to learn Kleemann switched to a roots supercharger. I was going to buy one, but I'm not so sure now. The same price for a far less efficient roots kit doesn't sit well with me. That's a pretty big downgrade for no savings to me. They may be great for a cheap application to a throw away mustang but $10,000 for one??
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Yeah Mario! Stop talking about that mini. No one cares about you or your stupid mini!
"why can't we get this thing to drift @ 30mph in the parking garage?" I say the concrete was too grippy! Remember..ha ha ha. Car is bad a** bro
I got a picture for you too, my instructor just bought a blue/white mini that perfectly matches our Heli's. Its a cool pic.
To keep this on HPS topic I need to have my maggie rebuilt as the bearings are starting to make some noise and I think the rotors are grinding under certain conditions...
"why can't we get this thing to drift @ 30mph in the parking garage?" I say the concrete was too grippy! Remember..ha ha ha. Car is bad a** bro
I got a picture for you too, my instructor just bought a blue/white mini that perfectly matches our Heli's. Its a cool pic.
To keep this on HPS topic I need to have my maggie rebuilt as the bearings are starting to make some noise and I think the rotors are grinding under certain conditions...
I guess the Mini wouldn't drift because I got the brakes too hot showing off for your girlfriend.
When you coming back to California?
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I just paid $300 to have the blower refurbished by Magnusson. I have the receipt.
Basically it's a brand new kit now that still puts down 389rwhp WITHOUT any other mods. Check out my previous dyno posts on this same thread. Am willing to let it go for $2999 firm. Going to my next project! TT C63?
Basically it's a brand new kit now that still puts down 389rwhp WITHOUT any other mods. Check out my previous dyno posts on this same thread. Am willing to let it go for $2999 firm. Going to my next project! TT C63?
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I'd go with the Autorotor Twin-Screw kit anytime. The Eaton's don't make quite as much boost in the lower RPM range like the screw-type, but will maintain more boost at a higher RPM, which is kind of a trade off. I've always loved the instant low torque kick when off the line.
Don't know what would happen if the kit needs repair. But i do know that ever since this kit has been out in the market i haven't heard of a single one going out. Only problem i know that has been common are the V6 kit and their water pumps. The V8 G4 kits are rock solid with no problems. In addition when you first buy the V8 kits it already comes with the Johnson pumps so no need to upgrade that. As far as support even though this kit has been discontinued i still talk to Cory once in a while. Guess you can call that support?
As far as the new Eaton kit, can't really comment on it since i've only heard things about it but never experienced it. One thing for sure though is that the Kleemann Eaton kit is well engineered from what Cory had said.
If i were in your shoe i'd pick the twin screw but since it's no longer available get the Eaton. The results might be a bit different depending on what exactly you have on your car(mods wise). Hope this helps.
Don't know what would happen if the kit needs repair. But i do know that ever since this kit has been out in the market i haven't heard of a single one going out. Only problem i know that has been common are the V6 kit and their water pumps. The V8 G4 kits are rock solid with no problems. In addition when you first buy the V8 kits it already comes with the Johnson pumps so no need to upgrade that. As far as support even though this kit has been discontinued i still talk to Cory once in a while. Guess you can call that support?
As far as the new Eaton kit, can't really comment on it since i've only heard things about it but never experienced it. One thing for sure though is that the Kleemann Eaton kit is well engineered from what Cory had said.
If i were in your shoe i'd pick the twin screw but since it's no longer available get the Eaton. The results might be a bit different depending on what exactly you have on your car(mods wise). Hope this helps.
Last edited by AMGSC; Oct 19, 2007 at 11:56 PM.
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I fear that OEM 55K motor may have been repaired. Plus Vadim advised against trying wedge it in without serious consequences. If it's still available I may want it if there are any signs of engine malfunction when I get my car back.
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Hey Robert there was no repair on that engine at all very very low miles someone I think you know who did a v12 swap into a certain benz and thats why he has it. And just so you know his shop does have insurance and warranty something very few shops even truly give. A big majority of the shops are" wait till it breaks and once it does they dont want to answer your calls". You seriously consider it, its a truly unique swap. How many c's have a oem 55K motor in them.........my guess is none. From the engine swap I heard pretty stright forward but most choke on the electronics part.....But I think you know who Robert has this part covered.
Dont let anyone tell you its impossible to move a mountain just because they are working with shovels if they do the swap these guys are no joke you should see the things and cars they are building right now
. Im not talking boltons any one can do that now a days im talking real highend performance parts that are made in house. I cant wait till my project starts my appointment is coming very soon cant wait to something very top secret to begin.
Regardless which way you go just so you know oem55k in your C WOOHOOO.
Dont let anyone tell you its impossible to move a mountain just because they are working with shovels if they do the swap these guys are no joke you should see the things and cars they are building right now
. Im not talking boltons any one can do that now a days im talking real highend performance parts that are made in house. I cant wait till my project starts my appointment is coming very soon cant wait to something very top secret to begin.Regardless which way you go just so you know oem55k in your C WOOHOOO.
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Hey Robert there was no repair on that engine at all very very low miles someone I think you know who did a v12 swap into a certain benz and thats why he has it. And just so you know his shop does have insurance and warranty something very few shops even truly give. A big majority of the shops are" wait till it breaks and once it does they dont want to answer your calls". You seriously consider it, its a truly unique swap. How many c's have a oem 55K motor in them.........my guess is none. From the engine swap I heard pretty stright forward but most choke on the electronics part.....But I think you know who Robert has this part covered.
Dont let anyone tell you its impossible to move a mountain just because they are working with shovels if they do the swap these guys are no joke you should see the things and cars they are building right now. Im not talking boltons any one can do that now a days im talking real highend performance parts that are made in house. I cant wait till my project starts my appointment is coming very soon cant wait to something very top secret to begin.
Regardless which way you go just so you know oem55k in your C WOOHOOO.
Dont let anyone tell you its impossible to move a mountain just because they are working with shovels if they do the swap these guys are no joke you should see the things and cars they are building right now
. Im not talking boltons any one can do that now a days im talking real highend performance parts that are made in house. I cant wait till my project starts my appointment is coming very soon cant wait to something very top secret to begin.Regardless which way you go just so you know oem55k in your C WOOHOOO.
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Any updates? Did you get the car back?
BTW, I agree with Mig, an OE 55K is a really great way to go. Known motor + known mods = much easier and less costly upgrade path.
BTW, I agree with Mig, an OE 55K is a really great way to go. Known motor + known mods = much easier and less costly upgrade path.
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I agree that the E55K has a lower CR and OEM twin-screw blower but I swear my car feels much faster. I will prove it on the track once everything is complete. I would be shocked if I don't get sub 10.8's on my quarter-mile and will post a video on You-Tube.
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HPS KIT finally SOLD!!!
Finally!!!!! I got $4K for it. Putting a E55K motor in it or sellin it for a SL65 Renntech. I also bought a Kleemann SC kit just in case the E55K has compatibility complications.
Thanks for everybody's advice which I didn't listen to until I blew so much money into it that I could have bought at least 5 Kleemanns.
Thanks for everybody's advice which I didn't listen to until I blew so much money into it that I could have bought at least 5 Kleemanns.
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Finally!!!!! I got $4K for it. Putting a E55K motor in it or sellin it for a SL65 Renntech. I also bought a Kleemann SC kit just in case the E55K has compatibility complications.
Thanks for everybody's advice which I didn't listen to until I blew so much money into it that I could have bought at least 5 Kleemanns.
Thanks for everybody's advice which I didn't listen to until I blew so much money into it that I could have bought at least 5 Kleemanns.
Never go to Gintani. Take that as a friendly warning.
Get that 55k motor installed and have fun!
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Whats wrong with Gintani and who are you to say stay away.
What experiences have you personally had with gintani?
Who are you?
Are you or were you a customer of Gintani. not RMS
Id like to know cause all ive heard is goodthings unless you have some supporting facts then your just blowing smoke.
What experiences have you personally had with gintani?
Who are you?
Are you or were you a customer of Gintani. not RMS
Id like to know cause all ive heard is goodthings unless you have some supporting facts then your just blowing smoke.
