335i a threat to C55 ?
09-11-2006, 11:50 AM
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08 S65, 06 M3 CS(stick), 02 BMW X5 4.6iS, 07 R1 Raven, 08 F-450 4x4, 08 CooperS JCW
What power you putting out? Doubt you've met an E60 M5 on the highway, they reallly move.
09-11-2006, 12:05 PM
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How many speculative, unfounded, irrelavent arguments can one actually put in one post?
Sad, really. Needing to troll on boards unrelated to your marque...
09-11-2006, 05:09 PM
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Smoke it?!
I don't think so......the new 335Ci Twin Turbo I6 does 0-60 in 5 seconds and prob mid-hi 13's and will prob trap in the lo 100's stock. That would keep up just fine with a stock C32 AMG. Now if you wanna get sticky, add a ECU chip, exhaust and you will be faster than a C32, no doubt. Ahhh, the MAGIC of Twin-Turbo Forced Induction....it's hard to beat sometimes
I don't think so......the new 335Ci Twin Turbo I6 does 0-60 in 5 seconds and prob mid-hi 13's and will prob trap in the lo 100's stock. That would keep up just fine with a stock C32 AMG. Now if you wanna get sticky, add a ECU chip, exhaust and you will be faster than a C32, no doubt. Ahhh, the MAGIC of Twin-Turbo Forced Induction....it's hard to beat sometimes335i's twin turbo system's pretty different from RS4/RS6 etc.
It features a small and a large turbochargers that work as follows:
at low rpm only the small one works
at medium rpm both turbocharger works
at high rpm only the big turbocharger works
this means 335i doesn't have RS4/RS6 wild "rage", but virtually has no turbolag at all.
Just like 535d it kind reminds of an electric engine at low rpm
It has a lot of performance to rely on, first dyno (europe testings) showed 330/340hp instead of 306hp official figure
Match that with the superb 6 speed manual from BMW and it is obvious that 335i VS C32 are pretty damn close in performance.
But I still think a stock C32 still has the edge on stock 335i
Not by far, but it should be a little ahead of the beemer
Alla prossima!
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09-11-2006, 06:23 PM
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personally I would take the 335i over the C55 and C32 anyday out of the week.
The 203 is an old chassis and despite all of its updates with suspension, it will never handle and have the weight distribution of the bimmer.
I just purchased the E55, but it was a tough call over Bimmer. I could bought it if I wanted, but I needed 4 doors and a family cruiser not a sporty coup.
Give it 12 months and the 335i will be in the high 12's with trap speeds of about 109 and 110.
Right now they are in the mid 13's and trap speeds of 103 to 105. Similar to the C32 and trailing the C55 by a few tenths and miles
Chip and exhaust, downpipe and maybe a few other parts and it will be easily at 400hp.
As you all know the 300hp is down rated per Automobile magazine dyno. The car is putting down 270+/- to the wheels. Add another 60RWHP and you have 330RWHP (400hp range)
I love the styling too. I could care less about the interior.
The 203 is an old chassis and despite all of its updates with suspension, it will never handle and have the weight distribution of the bimmer.
I just purchased the E55, but it was a tough call over Bimmer. I could bought it if I wanted, but I needed 4 doors and a family cruiser not a sporty coup.
Give it 12 months and the 335i will be in the high 12's with trap speeds of about 109 and 110.
Right now they are in the mid 13's and trap speeds of 103 to 105. Similar to the C32 and trailing the C55 by a few tenths and miles
Chip and exhaust, downpipe and maybe a few other parts and it will be easily at 400hp.
As you all know the 300hp is down rated per Automobile magazine dyno. The car is putting down 270+/- to the wheels. Add another 60RWHP and you have 330RWHP (400hp range)
I love the styling too. I could care less about the interior.
09-11-2006, 06:28 PM
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Ciao,
335i's twin turbo system's pretty different from RS4/RS6 etc.
It features a small and a large turbochargers that work as follows:
at low rpm only the small one works
at medium rpm both turbocharger works
at high rpm only the big turbocharger works
this means 335i doesn't have RS4/RS6 wild "rage", but virtually has no turbolag at all.
Just like 535d it kind reminds of an electric engine at low rpm
It has a lot of performance to rely on, first dyno (europe testings) showed 330/340hp instead of 306hp official figure
Match that with the superb 6 speed manual from BMW and it is obvious that 335i VS C32 are pretty damn close in performance.
But I still think a stock C32 still has the edge on stock 335i
Not by far, but it should be a little ahead of the beemer
Alla prossima!
335i's twin turbo system's pretty different from RS4/RS6 etc.
It features a small and a large turbochargers that work as follows:
at low rpm only the small one works
at medium rpm both turbocharger works
at high rpm only the big turbocharger works
this means 335i doesn't have RS4/RS6 wild "rage", but virtually has no turbolag at all.
Just like 535d it kind reminds of an electric engine at low rpm
It has a lot of performance to rely on, first dyno (europe testings) showed 330/340hp instead of 306hp official figure
Match that with the superb 6 speed manual from BMW and it is obvious that 335i VS C32 are pretty damn close in performance.
But I still think a stock C32 still has the edge on stock 335i
Not by far, but it should be a little ahead of the beemer
Alla prossima!
actually the turbos are small and symmetrical. 335i does not have the Asymmetrical design (1 small, 1 large)
You are correct about the dyno, it putting down more power.
Also the torque is available at 1900 rpmps or so.. much lower than my C32.
The c32 has no torque under 2900 rpms.
09-11-2006, 06:45 PM
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actually the turbos are small and symmetrical. 335i does not have the Asymmetrical design (1 small, 1 large)
You are correct about the dyno, it putting down more power.
Also the torque is available at 1900 rpmps or so.. much lower than my C32.
The c32 has no torque under 2900 rpms.
You are correct about the dyno, it putting down more power.
Also the torque is available at 1900 rpmps or so.. much lower than my C32.
The c32 has no torque under 2900 rpms.
09-11-2006, 07:00 PM
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actually the turbos are small and symmetrical. 335i does not have the Asymmetrical design (1 small, 1 large)
You are correct about the dyno, it putting down more power.
Also the torque is available at 1900 rpmps or so.. much lower than my C32.
The c32 has no torque under 2900 rpms.
You are correct about the dyno, it putting down more power.
Also the torque is available at 1900 rpmps or so.. much lower than my C32.
The c32 has no torque under 2900 rpms.
Here in europe the fuzz was all about this car using the same system of the 535d (i.e. the Asymmetrical one).
Some pics would help........
09-11-2006, 07:24 PM
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335i when the sedan comes out mid 2007-08. I'm gonna check it out. The E92 coupe's rear's does not belong on that car.
as far as which car is faster stock vs stock...let's just say C55>C32>335i manual in small margins.
modded it's hard to say, but the HIGH HP tuning ability of the turbo engine is out there and far better than supercharged cars. The 335 should easily see 360-380hp with few mods, but as far as changing the turbo out like you can do with the S4 that's another story. all depends on if aftermarket tuners want to make a E92 M3 killer out of a E92/90 335.
it's a simple fact that newer cars are quicker and faster by the miniutes as technology keeps moving forward. There's no point in arguing old versus new. You wouldn't see people saying an E30 M3 is POS versus the 330i now would you? or the C36 is POS versus the C350?
as far as which car is faster stock vs stock...let's just say C55>C32>335i manual in small margins.
modded it's hard to say, but the HIGH HP tuning ability of the turbo engine is out there and far better than supercharged cars. The 335 should easily see 360-380hp with few mods, but as far as changing the turbo out like you can do with the S4 that's another story. all depends on if aftermarket tuners want to make a E92 M3 killer out of a E92/90 335.
it's a simple fact that newer cars are quicker and faster by the miniutes as technology keeps moving forward. There's no point in arguing old versus new. You wouldn't see people saying an E30 M3 is POS versus the 330i now would you? or the C36 is POS versus the C350?
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09-11-2006, 08:38 PM
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I completely agree
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09-11-2006, 11:20 PM
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C32 AMG
Who cares if a 06-07 335I is faster than a 02 C32. A car thats 5 yrs newer is almost as fast as a older car. Is this supposed to be some kind of accomplishment?!?!
P.S. Audi sucks ball. The RS4 sucks as well. at 80k its a joke of a car and Audi blows.
P.S. Audi sucks ball. The RS4 sucks as well. at 80k its a joke of a car and Audi blows.
09-11-2006, 11:34 PM
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If the new C350 had the same performance as the E46 M3 these forums would be on fire about it
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09-11-2006, 11:49 PM
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its supposed to be a regular model catching up performance-wise to a older special model. thats call progress. like i said this happens every generation.
if it was a newer special model just catching up in performance to a older special model, while costing 20k more....then....well...only audi manages to do that (RS4 vs C32/C55 M3
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09-12-2006, 02:15 AM
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09-12-2006, 05:10 AM
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oh puleeeze......what "speculative, unfounded, irrelavent arguments" did I put in that post? Please do tell me? My reponse was to Zeppeling who stated "A 4 year old C32 is half the price of the 335i and will smoke it"
Smoke it? Again...not true as the new 335Ci would do just fine (perhaps a tad slower) vs. a C32. So again...please tell me how I'm off base stating facts about the perfomance of the new 335 Ci and how it'd do vs a C32? I'd like to hear this one? Also, this is a "Public Auto" forum...is it not? PS. That must be one fast Scooter ya got
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09-12-2006, 05:21 AM
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LOL Srsly though, the 335Ci seems like a very fun car fer sure.....and even though the jury is still out on the styling, the powerplant would make me consider and buy it over the new V8 M3...thats fer sure. It's like you said "pretty damn good"
09-12-2006, 10:07 AM
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"..the new 335Ci Twin Turbo I6 does 0-60 in 5 seconds and prob mid-hi 13's and will prob trap in the lo 100's stock. "
The twice-applied "prob", short for "probably" is what is known in English as speculation. As in, "you will probably be a dumba$$ your whole life...."
Here's the irrelavent part, pay close attention:
" Now if you wanna get sticky, add a ECU chip, exhaust and you will be faster than a C32, no doubt. Ahhh, the MAGIC of Twin-Turbo Forced Induction....it's hard to beat sometimes."
Now you are comparing a MODDED car to a stock one...completely irrelavent. Unless, that is, you enjoy comparing your Audi to modded Civics and the like. How about a race between a $9000 modded civic and your car for titles? No? How about for dollars? No? That's what I thought...
As far as this being a public place, yes it is. We even allow your type here.... I doubt you need much reminding, but you can still be kicked out of "public places"......
Anything else need clarification, sweetheart?
