yes, the M3 is suppose to outhandle the 335i from the factor. it has a better stock suspension kit. it also comes with an lsd. there are obviously better options from the factory with regards to such things as handling b/c otherwise, the 335i would out do the more expensive M3. Same thing with the E55. There was a reason it was detuned and it is so it doesnt compete with their more expensive cars, eg SL55. However, it is possible to have the 335i still handle very will if not very comparable to the M3 given the proper aftermarket suspension parts, which could be purchased for a fraction of the cost between the 335i and the M3 msrps.

Alright first of all you are an IDIOT! If you knew ANYTHING about the M3 you would not be talking. Yes it won't look anywhere as ugly as your piece of **** 335. The body is not the same at all. The M3 has different fenders, bumper, hood. So your point there was proven wrong. Your crappy 335 might out handle your old c32 but that does not mean your CRAPPY 335 will out handle an M3. Why would you even compare the 335 to a c32? We were talking about M3's right? Yes i do drive a Nissan and I did own a CLK500 before and YES my Nissan will spank your crappy family sedan any day so STFU. Don't talk about M3's when obviously you know nothing about them. If you'd like to be informed more you can just troll your dumb *** over to M3Forum.com. You can even post up a thread saying that your crappy 335 looks as good and performs as good as an M3 and see what they say. Focktart! Back to my point....the 335s might beat the STOCK M3 in the HP race, but let's not get ahead ov ourselves. You are comparing a modded 335 vs. a STOCK M3. And the M3 has never been about the HP race...any owner BMW enthusiast can tell you that.

Wow, chill dude. No need to get your panties in a bunch, because when a 335i hits 400WHP a comparison to the new M3 is unavoidable. Did it ever occur to you that suspension mods are going to be plentiful on the E90/92? For a fraction of the cost of an M3, people will be able to create competitive 335i cars. I think that's all he was trying to say.

BTW, I've owned MANY BMWs. I personally can't wait for the 135i to be released. The M3 has gotten way too porky.

Put those same suspension mods on an M

what about the 135tii? supposedly "significantly lighter" than the 135 (which is already about 200 lbs lighter than the 335i). also, from the factory, supposed to have much much better suspension and what not than the 135i. Not to mention at least 40 hp over stock numbers.

You make me laugh. I know all about the new M3. I never once said anything about my car out handling an M3 or out performing one!!!!! I was referring to your out handle "crap" comment.. referring to a 335 as crap. I made no comparisons besides the look of the car.

Its the same chassis!!! Obviously its a completely different animal under the hood and suspension. You have proved nothing other than the fact that you're a moron.

I am comparing it to a C32 because that was my last car, and this is a C32/C55 forum.. DUH

For the record I wasn't comparing my modded 335i to an M3.. Please show me where I stated anything to that effect.

I think you should STFU!!

NA vs. Turbo in the summer the NA will do much better. Turbos suffer from altitude and heat whereas NA cars don't near as much. I'd take a NA car anyday.

I made a comment about a 335crap outhandling the M3 and you said that your 335 outhandles you c32? wtf.....Why would you compare apples to oranges? I can tell you really don't konw much when it comes to M's...if you did you would konw that an M stands for much more than just HP. And the 335 and the M3 don't look anything alike. M3 has diffrent headlights, front fender, front bumper, front hood, roof, side skirts, rear bumper, rear trunk, and diffrent wheels than the 335

I think you should stop getting all excited about this...honestly, he's right, the M3 and the 335 look like RELATIVES...not identical..its like saying the C230/350 and the C55 look the same..they look similar but not identical (if that even made ANY sense)

but both of you, let's make it back into an enthusiast forum..no more of this "Nissan vs. BMW 335" nonsense.

Hey our cars C32/55 wasn't gonna be as fast or fastest compared to others....if Real M3 owners won't swoop then why honestly should we...just like you don't find a ton of modded C32/55s in each city the modding of those Bmers will be limited also.....honestly so what if a newer car can get the opportunity to reach those numbers. Cars like the C63 will still out do them with similar mods......so at the end the average 135 or 335 will still be beneath us. Enjoy your ride!

At the price they will be I am sure not to many will quickly mod them especially since that modding will void warraty so just like I would think twice so would they unless they have alot of money to throw around and if thats the case why not spend it on a true M series?

Ok..I agree with your point....but the way you deliver your message is very childish. Grow up and talk like a mature adult please.

LOL....

You have the AA procede xede? Or Vishnu?

I know UR (Ultimate Racing) makes some downpipes for the 335i. I've heard the Milltek as well as the Active Autowerke cat-backs, and I have to admit, it sounds very good.

If you already have a piggy back, you might want to get a BOV.

Ultimate Racing, Riss Racing, and Supersprint currently make downpipes. THere are quite a few catbacks, but to be honest, most IMHO do not sound good with the exceptions of AA (which you mentioned), Borla, and Eisenmann. Most sound either too similar to stock or make the car sound to "ricey"

You dont need a tune to have a BOV valve on the car, unless you like the noise, which some people do (i kinda do). And you dont need a piggyback or a tune for that matter for this car to have one. You could get a diverter valve as well instead of a BOV.

Yeah and it was a stupid comment!! No **** the M3 handles better than a 335.

Like I said, my response about the C32 is because I just sold mine you twit. I have been posting here for a couple of years and it was a general statement.

Dude seriously.. I haven't made any statements about an M3 besides it has the same chassis.. and they look very similar..

No why don't you run along.. I'm done feeding the trolls..

I have an AA Xede.. It's a lease and I might want to get out of it a little early depending on how I like the C63 in person.. If I'm not blown away then I might play a bit with the 335i.

So i stated that the M3 will outhandle the 335, and that the 335 looks like crap compared to the M3 and you decided to bring up your C32 why? Moron!

well, i never really meant to make a direct comparison saying ours SHOULD be faster. Obviously, they are newer cars, newer technology, and not to mention turbo'd, which makes them a little bit easier to mod. there are quite a few of these modded beasts though. not sure which prices you are looking at, but most are cheaper than a lot of our mods.

C32s:
Example: Renntech Pulley/Tune is like $3200 (ballpark)
Estimated at crank: 394 hp and 387 tq
Calculations yield: $71 per crank hp OR $58 per crank tq
OR $32 per overall crank unit (hp and tq)

- - Unable to find dyno figures for whp and wtq
comparison, sorry

Evosport Stage 1: $2400 for non dampened;
Stock dyno yielded: 283 whp and 273 wtq
With kit dyno yielded: 350 whp and 350 wtq
Calculations yield: $36 per whp OR $31 per wtq
OR $17 per overall unit (whp and wtq)

http://evosport.com/product/proddeta...VO.PER.M03.S01

C55s: not too familiar with their mods, so will not comment

335is:

Catless Downpipes: $650 - 999, brand dependent
for $650 Ultimate Racing:

Stock Unit dyno: 273 whp and 273 wtq
Unit w/downpipe: 301 whp and 298 wtq
Calculations yield: $23 per whp OR $26 per wtq
OR $13 per overall unit (whp and wtq)

http://www.ultimate-racing.com/Produ...tless-DP.shtml

Juice Box Stage II Piggyback (JBS2)

Price: $379
Stock unit dyno: 276 whp and 287 wtq
With JBS2: 323 whp and 341 wtq
Calculations yield: $8 per whp OR $7 per wtq
OR $4 per overall unit (whp and wtq)

http://www.bmwjuice.com/
and for the doubters, there are a LOT of people running this.

currently searching for a dyno comparing stock and vishnu.

all calculations exclude labor. installing pulley kits will take longer than downpipes though. and the piggyback? max of 20 minutes yourself.

it may sound like i am anti mb and pro mb. im not. remember, i drive a c32. i love it. i have the pulley kit. the mods are relatively cheaper (more inexpensive) than those for the C32s. I will try to find a dyno and price for the vishnu, as i currently cannot find one.

also like i previously mentioned, downpipes i have seen are 100% bolt-on (do it yourself). Also, tunes are piggyback (vishnu, jbs2, sstt, xede, AA). Both can be easily removed before bringing it in to the dealership for service so as not to void the warranty. even intercooler is bolt on.

Lots of cool stuff for sure and now BMW is making its own tuning products so there will be lots more stuff to come. I hear they are coming out with their own ECU remap, suspension, plus a few other goodies! I am eager to see what their ECU remap produces..

At the end it only the power minded folks that care but the true enthusiast won't ie Vettes....also an M3 would hold it value alot better then pretty much all non M cars.

Okay, Settled, now end the childishness.

Conclusion...335 M3

Nissan 335, M3 & C32

Nothing like having to take off that stuff before oil changes

Haha my Z does not to any 335s. But really I'm going to stop bashing AMGMark....he PM'd me to let me konw he's a lil butt-hurt.