jturkel

im sure not of us want to see something like this, whether it is another 335i thread or what is said in the title (or both).

figured i would provide a little update....

as of yesterday (Monday), Vishnu has a new map for his tune on those N54 motors (on 135, 335, 535). right now the dyno is a little bumpy, but they managed about 405 whp and 420 wtq (98 octane). thats just a tune and a catback. The guy says they are fine tuning this so the power curve isnt so bumpy. downpipes will be added next week and they are looking for a 35+whp gain and 45+ wtq gain.

currently, the fastest 335i runs a 12.441 at 109.661 (96 octane). this is not the numbers i just provided. this particular car has about 340 whp and 380 wtq. this is that juice box with a cat back and a filter.

change that juice box mod to the new vishnu, add downpipe, bigger tires, upgraded lsd, you are looking at a low low 12 second car (assuming traction of course).

drop to the 135. drop 200 lbs in weight. add that vishnu kit over that previously fasted one. and downpipe. you will need bigger tires, and probably an upgrades lsd, like that quaife. im honestly thinking high 11s.

links:

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...5#post11128415
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...t=93865&page=1


i know....these 1/4 mile times are speculation
but these things are gonna move
gotta make these C32s/55s faster!

Code3 Performance

What kind of power do they make on 91 octane...I doubt I will ever run into one making that kind of power on pump 91 CA gas. Especially considering there is nothing higher in my area. I think its cool its making big power, even though I think they are completely fugly

jturkel

if you go here:

http://www.bmwjuice.com/

you will see two dyno sheets.

the first dyno sheet shows the difference between stock and the juice box stage 1 (which is like $190). that is on 91 octane.

i have seen many on the bmw forums (e90post, bimmerforums) running with that Juice Box Stage II, or JBS2. That can be seen in the second dyno sheet. THat second dyno sheet also contains the stock numbers.

The JBS2R, which is what the currently fastest 335i is running with on 95 octane, is also seen on that second dyno sheet. these mods are relatively cheap too (390 for that JBS2)

and i agree with your opinion, i dont find the 135i really great looking, but i can see them being pretty quick. i think the 335is, both sedan and coupe, look better. just personal opinion obviously. and obviously, the average person is not going to be running 95 ot 98 octane. i was just giving a little update.

i can later if anyone is curious on what the vishnu PROcedes are running on 91 or 93 octane....

c32AMG-DTM

I know it's been said a ton already, so I won't beat it to death, but this new twin-turbo 6 in the _35i cars seems to be a gem for tuning. Kinda like a stouter, more reliable B5 S4 engine.

For 2008 I believe you'll be able to have a 335xi (all wheel drive) as well. Anyone know if the x-drive system is strong enough to handle high horsepower and torque (like Audi and Porsche's systems can)?

I think we'll see a lot of tuned 135i's surprising much more expensive exotics and high-end sport sedans with how quick they'll be... should be fun to see.

bud4ya

I think you can get the 335XI now. I was e-mailing a guy about winter rims for the Benz and he said he has a 335XI. I did not know the made an AWD 335 but I guess they do. If you like the style of that car and live in snow country you can get everything in one (Power and AWD).

jgsx

Too bad it's on race fuel. Still very impressive though

jturkel

agreed....from what i have been reading, there are more tunes that are yet to come for pump gas. and obviously, downpipes need to be taken into consideration as well. great gains are expected from the downpipes.

and yes, there is a 335xi

as far as handling the power, i have heard the the 5speed automatic actually cannot handle too much power....for the 5 speed automatic, i believe its either 500 crank hp or 500 crank tq is the limit before its gets messed up. i'll have to double check on that figure later

boohooramblers

Wow - seems like a pretty low limit on the 335 tranny! Anyone know what the limit is on the new M3?

jturkel

this is why most of the people doing the major mods (vishnu tuning, dp, catback, etc...) are running 6 speed manual transmissions. i definitely recall people saying the f***ed up their auto tranny with such mods.

e1000

who needs an M3???

jturkel

i honestly think that with the tuning market for the E90 and E92s with the inline tt inline 6, the M3 isnt really needed. Especially considering that a modded 335i, 135i, and perhaps heven 535i can outrun the new M3.

If performance isnt the convincing factor, then maybe people prefer the new M3 due to its styling? Though i know that it is possible to get the M3 side, front, and rear lips, as well as trunk lips and fenders, on the 335i. To me, the 335i just seems like a better deal. just my 2 cents

amgmark

I am pretty happy with my 335i. I have the Xede and it rocks.. I was thinking about getting dp's and an exhaust.. still debating.. It's pretty damn fast now and I would probably get in trouble if I make it faster.. LOL.. Only think cool about the new m3 is that they will have a 4 door model, but I'll probably pass and look at the c63 when my lease is up.

Then again, when my lease is up the kids will be getting ready to start college and I probably won't need a 4 door anymore. Might finally be time for a coupe!

slowrey

I'm curious to find out how the dealership is reacting to people modding their 335's when things break considering the free factory maintenance and warranty.

Also I've heard that these cars when put on a track go into limp mode by several track instructors. I've also been told by adding a bigger FMIC alleviates that issue however talk about voiding your warranty

1FSTAMG

only reason I don't have a 335i sedan is I couldn't buy one for the $23k i paid for my C32. Otherwise I would!

jturkel

from what i've been reading, all of the ecu tunes i have been reading about are piggyback....you can put them on and take them off. this is the case for the AA Xede, Vishnu, Juice Box, Turbo Tuner, and the others. So when people bring them in, they simply unplug the piggyback and it looks fine. However, someone did forget to take one off once and the warranty was voided.

apparently, dealerships have been becoming aware of these vishnu tunes and a lot of people on those 335i forums have been saying that the dealership will try and make you say you have one even if you dont to justify a problem. if you take it off and reset everything back to normal, there is no way for the dealership to tell that has been modified (at least in the short term)

DarkXerox

I want to see someone track one of these 400rwhp beasts. I thought that the stock cars kept shutting down after a few laps though. If they do get the bugs out, a 400rwhp 135i would be a track star. The E92 M3 does the 1/4 in about 12.8 so it shouldn't take too many mods to beat that. Just beating it in the corners would be hard.

jturkel

i believe this problem has been solved with an oil cooler mod and/or upgraded FMIC....someone jump in and correct me on this if i am incorrect.

slowrey

Yeah but that's something that's VERY non-reversible and that screams Void my warranty

amgmark

The limp mode/heat problem was primarily the non-sport, non oil-cooler models.. I haven't heard of too many problems with the oil-cooler versions.

The AA FMIC will definitely cure any heat issues..

My dealer knows about my mods and they haven't said anything to this point.. but then again I haven't blown my engine or anything.. LOL

To be completely honest, I felt more prestigious in my c32.. and loved the instant power of the SC.. but I am getting more used to the 335 and enjoying it more as I get to open it up..

When I had my C32 all I could think about was modding it, spent hours tinkering and reading about the car. I haven't spent much time with the 335 yet and keep thinking about my next car.. LOL

jturkel

well, it screams VOID MY WARRANTY if you go into the dealership with it on....which is why one particular guy got his warranty voided when he forgot to take off his vishnu piggyback kit.

the FMIC is bolt on, so you can take it off before you go back in and put the stock one back on....no damage done

oil cooler i know less about. but from what i have read, more people do the fmic instead of the oil cooler anyway. i think BMW has fixed this problem in the 2008 N54s motors (335i, 535i)

1qikctr

nice #!

DarkXerox

Yeah I heard they're using a new oil cooler on the 08's (we'll see how they do since they've only been out for a couple months) but I keep hearing that the new ones are using different turbos (old one was a Mitsubishi sourced one).

NitrogenBalance

A couple posts above bring up the "why M3 when you have this". From a #'s standpoint I can see. However, that new V8 is a very nice motor and if $ wasn't a huge factor in my life I would still opt for the M3 because I find that hight reving techno thick V8 much more fullfilling than the turbo six. I'm sure that if they matched #'s they would both offer a very different experience. Both good, just different.

Still waiving the MB flag here though.....

user 76208202

The M3 was never about hp you konw....and M3 will outhandle this 335 crap. and it won't look near as ugly

amgmark

out handle 335 crap? Won't look nearly as ugly?? .. It's basically the same body dude..

FWIW, my crappy 335i way out handles my old c32.. not even close..

Oh wait.. you have a Nissan.. I should have known.. LOL